Alternate warships of nations

[Psychologist] The USS Kiev isn't real, the USS Kiev can't hurt you.#

The USS Kiev
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The CSGN Mk II/Mission Essential Unit was a lot closer to the Kiev class than the Spruance-derived flight deck cruiser concepts. Those were probably more similar to Moskva in terms of capability.
 
There was also the CSGN Mk.II as well which was basically an American equivalent to the Kiev-class with AEGIS as well.
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It's expensive, of dubious utility and a floating bomb. How can we make it more reasonable?
Make it nuclear powered to double the cost, then Congress will never authorise it and we can spend the money on something usefull.
 
The CSGN Mk II/Mission Essential Unit was a lot closer to the Kiev class than the Spruance-derived flight deck cruiser concepts. Those were probably more similar to Moskva in terms of capability.
Or the Jean D'arc, or the japanese Haruna class: a more-or-less large destroyer capable of carrying multiple large helicopters. Problem starts when people want them to do "all the jobs!!1".
 
With the Ekranoplans, did the Soviets have any plans to deploy them other than the Caspian or Black Seas?
Northern shores of Both lakes were virtually WP lakes , and on the other side are the technologically advanced adversaries of Iran and Turkey
What is the likelihood of survival in such an environment?
 
Actually they look like "nut-cracker" VTOL's that the Navy pitched at some point as a general purpose Support Aircraft.

Randy
okay that makes lot more sense . But the 80's kid in me was oh like Cobra's crazy planes lmao. but now i wonder if that could be done off to the Alternative plane thread.
 
Is there any possibility of a surface ship minelayer during the Cold War , outside of the Baltic states ?
What countries are likely to benefit most from them ?
 
Is there any possibility of a surface ship minelayer during the Cold War , outside of the Baltic states ?
What countries are likely to benefit most from them ?
To be used at war... it would be detected long before it could reach the target area. If you want a sneak attack, then a "totally honest not at all a converted ship" commercial cargo vessel with some special centerline doors would be ideal. Who would benefit? Whoever has a logistics and/or economy less dependant on sea trade; in a classic Cold War setting, it would be an ideal way to block US reinforcements to Europe.
 
To be used at war... it would be detected long before it could reach the target area. If you want a sneak attack, then a "totally honest not at all a converted ship" commercial cargo vessel with some special centerline doors would be ideal. Who would benefit? Whoever has a logistics and/or economy less dependant on sea trade; in a classic Cold War setting, it would be an ideal way to block US reinforcements to Europe.
But isn’t the Atlantic too deep to make mines effective or do you mean mining just the harbors and channels leading up to the ports ?
 
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