Alternate warships of nations

Riain

Banned
HMAS Australia, formerly HMS Hermes.

Following the deployment of HMAS Melbourne to Sth Vietnamese waters in 1965 and 1966 the Government decided that a newer and bigger carrier was required for the RAN. Following a trial of RAN Skyhawks on HMS Hermes in 1968 the Government decided to acquire her and she commissioned into the RAN in 1973. HMAS Australia was considered to be vital in deterring Indonesia from invading East Timor in 1975.
 
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In the 1930s the French order two RANGER class carriers from the US - they are commissioned into the French Navy as the Joffre and Painleve:

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HMCS Sir Isaac Brock--Canada's first generation Nuclear Aircraft Carrier. introduced despite initial opposition to the need for CV's with the USN being the bulwark of defence post WW2. Her design would be the basis for, and improvement on the next several iterations of Canadian nuclear powered aviation....Including HMCS Montcalm which would operate during airstrikes in Desert Shield/Storm...


(sorry, no picture, but just think a scaled down Enterprise :cool::p)
 

Riain

Banned
Oh, so you were only planning to add that on-deck image ?

Sorry then. Mea culpa. :eek:

There aren't a lot of photos, the Hermes was only in the area for a short time in 1968.

However there are a few good photos of a RAN Skyhawk on HMS Eagle in 1971.

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Driftless

Donor
Baleine (Whale) - Maritime Nationale Torpedo Ram 1888-1904
This ship acquired the nickname "le Nautile" in honor of Jules Verne's work.

A French twist on the Ram concept - similar in form to the HMS Polyphemus & the USS Katahdin, with a turtle back hull form, except with a pointed, reinforced bow to be used as a ram.

Length - 246'/75m
Beam - 41'/12.5m
Draft - 19.5'/6m

2400 tons
speed - 17 knots

2 x 450mm torpedo tubes
2 x 57mm Hotchkiss guns

HMS Polyphemus
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USS Katahdin
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HMCS Sir Isaac Brock--Canada's first generation Nuclear Aircraft Carrier. introduced despite initial opposition to the need for CV's with the USN being the bulwark of defence post WW2. Her design would be the basis for, and improvement on the next several iterations of Canadian nuclear powered aviation....Including HMCS Montcalm which would operate during airstrikes in Desert Shield/Storm...


(sorry, no picture, but just think a scaled down Enterprise :cool::p)

As a Canuckian, I heartily approve!:p:

However, how do you propose overcoming the later political opposition? We could butterfly away Pierre Trudeau, but I think his slashing of defense spending and atrocious downsizing of the military was a simply a continuation of a process that had been happening slowly for a long time before him (think of Diefenbaker and the cancellation of the Avro Arrow project)
 
As a Canuckian, I heartily approve!:p:

However, how do you propose overcoming the later political opposition? We could butterfly away Pierre Trudeau, but I think his slashing of defense spending and atrocious downsizing of the military was a simply a continuation of a process that had been happening slowly for a long time before him (think of Diefenbaker and the cancellation of the Avro Arrow project)

I really wish I knew :p lol I was just throwing out there an idea and dream of us actually having a CVN with no real thought put into it haha :eek:
 
Name : ROKS Jang Bogo
Type : Admiral-class
Commissioned: 30 August 1926
Displacement: 1050 long tons (1,070 t), 1171 long tons (1,190 t) fully loaded
Length: 305 ft 3 in (93.04 m)
Beam: 31 ft 1 in (9.47 m)
Draft: 10 ft 4.5 in (3.162 m), 10 ft 7 in (3.23 m) max
Propulsion: 2 × screw propellers, 2 × Zoelly direct-drive steam turbines, 17,000 shp (13,000 kW), 4 × White-Forster boilers
Speed:29 kn (33 mph; 54 km/h)
Complement:100 officers
Armament: 4 × 4 in (100 mm)/50 cal guns, 8 × 21 in (530 mm) torpedo tubes (4x2), 8 × torpedoes

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Originally served in the US Navy as USS Nicholson, the ship was sold to Korea in 1925 and recommissioned in 1926. Although the nation did recognise the need for a strong navy after the first invasion by Japan in 1905, it still was satisfied with a fortified coastline. The ship was also seen as bringing luck, as it was one of the two ships that first encountered and sunk German U-boats during WWI.
During the second invasion by Japan in 1939, the Jang Bogo was being repaired in a shipyard and did not see naval action; however, its guns were used by the Koreans to help fend off incoming Japanese infantrymen. It was later scrapped in Japan, in 1940. Popular myth in Korea and South Japan claims that part of the scrapped metal was used to build the IJA Yamato, the largest warship in the world.
 
Indian Navy aircraft carrier INS Vikrant, ex USS Kitty Hawk - given to India in 2010 on the stipulation that India would pay the US for all modifications and upgrades to the ship and that India would by F/A-18E and F Super Hornets from the US:

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Indian Navy aircraft carrier INS Vikrant, ex USS Kitty Hawk - given to India in 2010 on the stipulation that India would pay the US for all modifications and upgrades to the ship and that India would by F/A-18E and F Super Hornets from the US:

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WARSPITE class SSBN

Finding out that only having 4 "Bomber" boats was causing problems operationally in having 1 boat always at see, in the mid 70's the UK Govt sacrificed a 1/3 of the front line strength of the RN to pay for 4 more SSBN's which would carry the US Poseidon missile, again loaned from the US in the same way as the Polaris.

Despite Poseidon capable of carrying 10 warheads, the UK Govt insisted on no more than 3 per missile, the same as Polaris.

The design would be based on the "Swiftsure" class SSN.
Names

S 200 WARSPITE
S 201 WARRIOR
S 202 WELLINGTON
S 203 WESTMINSTER

LENGTH

124.6 metres

BEAM

9.8 metres

FULL DISPLACEMENT

8,000 tons (dived)

DRAUGHT

9.2 metres

PROPULSION

1 x R-R pressurized water nuclear reactor and geared turbines.
Max 18,000 shp to 1 shaft.

SPEED

25 kts (dived)
20 kts (surfaced)

COMPLEMENT

140 officers & ratings

ARMAMENT

16 x UGM-73 Poseidon C-3 missiles.
each with 3 MIRV (possible 10)
6 x 53 cm bow torpedos

SENSORS

1 x 183
1 x 2007
1 x 2020
1 x 2024

BUILDERS

Yarrow

COMMISIONED

WARSPITE 1976
WARRIOR 1977
WELLINGTON 1978
WESTMINSTER 1979
 
At the turn of the 20s, the US Navy was considering the proper name set for their new experimental "aircraft carriers." Initially, given the limited endurance and striking power of the aircraft then in service, the role of these aircraft carriers was conceived to be that of a light, fast scouting unit. Therefore, the initial two USN carriers, a pair of converted Jupiter-class colliers, were named after light, agile birds of prey: USS Hawk (CV-1) and USS Eagle (CV-2). The two carriers proved their value in the Fleet Problems of the 20s, and provided a template for all US Navy carriers that would follow. As aircraft grew, however, they became more and more unfit for frontline service, and were overshadowed by newer units. Converted to seaplane tenders, they were both lost in the early days of the Pacific War.

The subsequent class of carriers, converted from Lexington-class battlecruisers on the slips under the terms of the Washington Naval Conference of 1923, were similarly renamed for their new role. Originally named after US battles, they were also renamed after birds of prey in their new service: USS Harrier (CV-3), USS Osprey (CV-4), and USS Falcon (CV-5).

The three Harrier-class carriers would served as the primary fleet carriers of the USN throughout the 20s. However, these three conversions consumed most of the USN's carrier tonnage, and further development of the type in the US would only proceed after the 1930 London Conference. By this time, the carrier had gained a small but vocal advocacy within the Navy. Thus, the 30s would see three new fleet carriers commissioned to fill out the increased carrier tonnage allocations achieved at London. To appease Congressional skeptics of military buildup, the first purpose-built of the US Navy were given less aggressive names than their predecessors: USS Raven (CV-6), USS Cardinal (CV-7), and USS Pigeon (CV-8).

The carriers of the Harrier and Raven-class would go on to achieve tremendous fame in the Pacific Theater of World War Two, particularly CV-8, which would become the most decorated unit in US naval history, including being the only carrier to survive the the famous 10-carrier "battle of three navies," Third Wake Island with flight operations capacity, providing air cover to the rest of the Allied forces, including her damaged sister the USS Raven and the British HMS Ark Royal (code-named USS Lark), as the three surviving carriers in the Pacific theater retreated from the Pyrrhic victory. The Pigeon's particular luck at surviving combat and bringing her crews home victorious continued to manifest during the South Pacific campaign, and she earned the nickname "Homing Pigeon" for both this fact and the almost preternatural good luck of her air group in finding, fixing, and destroying IJN warships as she and the remainder of the US Pacific fleet pushed to retain the strategic advantage until the arrival of the seemingly-endless Goshawk-class fleet carriers.

Retired post-war, CV-8 would go on to find a home in New York City's East River as a floating museum (as the famous line went, "We've got so many pigeon's, what's one more?"). The name lived on with the super-carrier Pigeon (CV-62), whose shear bulk would add the nickname "Flying Pig" to the classic "Homing Pigeon" over almost fifty years of service. Today, the third US carrier Pigeon is on the slips as an Eagle II-class nuclear supercarrier, carrying on the most famous name in naval aviation.
 
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