Alternate Electoral Maps

Wendell · Mar 15, 2014

Turquoise Blue said:
Go for Clinton 1992 vs. Obama 2012. That'll be interesting.

Or Bush 88 vs. Obama 08

Thande · Mar 15, 2014

ColeMercury said:
Couldn't sleep, so I decided to do the reverse of the 2012-vs-2004 matchup and pit Mitt Romney against John Kerry.

The most boring election ever... (at least as far as the charisma of candidates is concerned)

I might have a try at the others people have suggested. One idea I had was to pit a modern third party candidate against main party candidates from when the population was much smaller, with no adjustment, just to illustrate how much the population has increased...

Turquoise Blue · Mar 15, 2014

Thande said:
The most boring election ever... (at least as far as the charisma of candidates is concerned)

I might have a try at the others people have suggested. One idea I had was to pit a modern third party candidate against main party candidates from when the population was much smaller, with no adjustment, just to illustrate how much the population has increased...

Ralph Nader 2000 vs. TR 1904.

Utgard96 · Mar 15, 2014

Turquoise Blue said:
Ralph Nader 2000 vs. TR 1904.

YES. Dear God, yes.

Turquoise Blue · Mar 15, 2014

Ares96 said:
YES. Dear God, yes.

Here's a quick-do, Thande could do a more detailed job, but here's what the map looks like. TR landslide, but Nader does remarkably well in several TR states.

Utgard96 · Mar 15, 2014

Nader beats Roosevelt in Texas and South Carolina? That'd never happen in real life, but I suppose it's due to Solid South Syndrome keeping them away from Teddy more than Nader actually doing well in those states.

Turquoise Blue · Mar 15, 2014

BTW, Eugene Debs 1912 vs. Andrew Jackson 1832? I'm doing a quick-do of it now.

Emperor Julian · Mar 15, 2014

Hm, how about Nixon 1960 vs. Nixon 1968?

Turquoise Blue · Mar 15, 2014

Disappointing, Jackson still wins.

Pop Votes
Eugene V. Debs (S): 900,742 votes
Andrew Jackson (D): 702,735 votes

V-J · Mar 15, 2014

Romney would have lost to Kerry?

The final indictment

Nofix · Mar 15, 2014

Turquoise Blue said:
Disappointing, Jackson still wins.

Is it adjusted to involve the Black (slave) vote? Also this is proof that Jackson is greater than Debs.

Turquoise Blue · Mar 15, 2014

Nofix said:
Is it adjusted to involve the Black (slave) vote? Also this is proof that Jackson is greater than Debs.

The fact the Hero of New Orleans lost New Orleans (Louisiana) is not important?

wilcoxchar · Mar 15, 2014

How about Debs 1912 vs. Gary Johnson or Jill Stein?

Turquoise Blue · Mar 15, 2014

wilcoxchar said:
How about Debs 1912 vs. Gary Johnson or Jill Stein?

I'll do Debs vs. Johnson. That'll be interesting.

Nofix · Mar 15, 2014

Turquoise Blue said:
The fact the Hero of New Orleans lost New Orleans (Louisiana) is not important?

I think the fact he's in office is more important.

Although him and Debs would probably agree that Banks are evil (for diffrent reasons).

Turquoise Blue · Mar 15, 2014

Nofix said:
I think the fact he's in office is more important. Although him and Debs would probably agree that Banks are evil (for diffrent reasons).

Plus he lost the popular vote by close to two hundred thousand votes...

Nofix · Mar 15, 2014

Turquoise Blue said:
Plus he lost the popular vote by close to two hundred thousand votes...

~Irony~

Can I request Henry Wallace (1948) vs. Zachary Taylor (1848), and George Wallace (1968) vs. Woodrow Wilson (1916)?

Turquoise Blue · Mar 15, 2014

Gary Johnson: 1,275,893 votes
Eugene Debs: 900,742 votes

1912 EVs: 317 J, 214 D

d32123 · Mar 15, 2014

1968 George Wallace 9,887,625 (OTL-HI and AK) 53.63% PV

1916 Charles Evan Hughes 8,548,728 46.37% PV

Using 2012 EV, Hughes beats Wallace 276-252.

Using 1968 EV, Hughes beats Wallace 331-197.

Using 1916 EV, Hughes beats Wallace 365-166.

ColeMercury · Mar 15, 2014

Wendell said:
Or Bush 88 vs. Obama 08

Oh, I like that one.

In the raw version, unsurprisingly, Obama '08 stomps Bush '88 in an FDR-esque landslide. Whatever, with a twenty-year gap that's to be expected.

With compensation for population growth, however... Obama still beats Bush, in a popular and electoral landslide slightly better than OTL's real 2008 election. Really, it's quite amazing how much turnout in 1988 sucked.

By the way, I used the 2000s electoral map for this. The population figures per state for 2008 and 1988 were from the US government census website.

OBAMA 2008 vs BUSH 1988 -- raw scores result (on left side)
Barack Obama / Joe Biden (Democratic) -- 470 EVs (58.71% PV)
George Bush / Dan Quayle (Republican) -- 68 EVs (41.29% PV)

OBAMA 2008 vs BUSH 1988 -- with population-growth compensation (on right side)
Barack Obama / Joe Biden (Democratic) -- 390 EVs (53.64% PV)
George Bush / Dan Quayle (Republican) -- 148 EVs (46.36% PV)