Alternate Air Force roundels and other symbols

[Wingman1]

I bring you two alternate Balkenkreuzs, the first one for a sort of 'Compromise' between Conservatives and Liberals in Germany(how this happens is left up to you guys). And the second is one for the German Empire or a standard military regime in Germany.

your pic's are not showing up.

 

[Nietzsche]

your pic's are not showing up.

Are they not? Is anyone else having this problem?

 

[Uruk]

Can´t see them either

 

[Ming777]

For an abomination, behold! The roundel of the Royal American Air Force:




EDIT: as a note, it was a simple recoloring of URUK's roundel

 

[RGB]

Alt Russia

I like the look but to be honest, the black-gold-white was a flag associated mostly with the military, the Romanov dynasty, and the Dreikaiserbund in particular. The gold was actually substituted for orange fair regularly too.

The Red-Blue-White however was used since the Muscovite period, and continuously alongside the black-gold-white version, and won out in the end (the German Colours lasted less than a century)

I think you need some pretty interesting internal politics for Russia to justify the black-gold-white version.

 

[Shevek23]

Are they not? Is anyone else having this problem?

Yep!

However I was able to use them as links and open the images in another tab.

Actually they aren't just images, they're pages at a site--that's probably the problem. You apparently need to link to the images themselves, not the page they are on.

Or just go to the pages!

 

[Shevek23]

For an abomination, behold! The roundel of the Royal American Air Force:


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EDIT: as a note, it was a simple recoloring of URUK's roundel

Ugh! That would be abominable!

Also implausible; the USA gets its star motif from independent republicanism; a Royalist BNA would not be using them.

Well of course the Australians and NZ use them OTL--but I suspect that was a rather defiant inspiration by the American model, suitably modified. Those Aussie star flags started out I believe as the banners of insurrections against British rule. (Bearing in mind, many Australians were convicts, and others were people who hadn't had good luck with the prevailing system in Britain.)

However it's a perfectly good alternate roundel for the USA joining a British-led alliance, as when we did join the Allied side in WWI.

I happen to think the US roundel that prevailed from after WWI to just after WWII started--the round blue field, the imposed white star with the red dot just touching the interior corners of the star--was really really cool. It looks great on Navy rigid airships in particular!

We abandoned in in favor of the two versions of the bar-winged white star on blue field (all blue-white wings for the Navy, with a red stripe for Air Force) because apparently at a distance the red dot was most visible and looked too much like the Japanese insignia.

Too bad though. The old roundel still survives in some insignia where it has golden stylized bird wings.

But I'm not sure we already had it during WWI itself. I think possibly some US planes had pretty much your roundel!

 

[Marc Pasquin]

Well of course the Australians and NZ use them OTL--but I suspect that was a rather defiant inspiration by the American model, suitably modified. Those Aussie star flags started out I believe as the banners of insurrections against British rule. (Bearing in mind, many Australians were convicts, and others were people who hadn't had good luck with the prevailing system in Britain.)

Although most people are familiar with the eureka flag that had the southern cross, the constelation was actualy used before that on the unofficial flag NSW ensign in 1832 (20 years before) which was pretty loyalist as can be seen:

 

[Marc Pasquin]

Alt Philippines

Alt Australia

I assume not during the cold war or at least due to it being actualy communist. Otherwise, the few planes that went to vietnam might have suffered friendly fire. Maybe have a black star and a red roo ?

 

[Nietzsche]

Alright, here we go.

Alternate Balkenkreuz, on the left one for a sort of 'Compromise' between Conservatives and Liberals in Germany, or just a sort of appeal to all Germans regardless of their affiliations(how this happens is left up to you guys). And the on the right is one for the German Empire or a standard military regime in Germany.

 

[wietze]

We keep discussing roundels, but i could also imagine that the whole style of identification would be different.
So no roundels but, painted tail rudder for Id, or wingtips.

i actually prefer the old dutch 'roundel' over the current one

Old:

New:

 

[Uruk]

I assume not during the cold war or at least due to it being actualy communist. Otherwise, the few planes that went to vietnam might have suffered friendly fire. Maybe have a black star and a red roo ?

I was thing a socialist Australia that isnt allied to the USSR

 

[Uruk]

I like the look but to be honest, the black-gold-white was a flag associated mostly with the military, the Romanov dynasty, and the Dreikaiserbund in particular. The gold was actually substituted for orange fair regularly too.

The Red-Blue-White however was used since the Muscovite period, and continuously alongside the black-gold-white version, and won out in the end (the German Colours lasted less than a century)

I think you need some pretty interesting internal politics for Russia to justify the black-gold-white version.

I made it for a surviving drawing of a Republic of South Russia, perhaps a Monarchist-SR compromise marking (to be different from the USSR marking)?

 

[Thande]

i actually prefer the old dutch 'roundel' over the current one

IIRC that's not so much the 'old' roundel as one that was temporarily imposed in the years leading up to WW2 to emphasise the Netherlands' neutrality and avoid any possibility of confusion with the cockade-type roundels used by the British and French, to avoid the potential for an accidental clash with the Germans leading to war (of course, this was back when people didn't realise the Nazis would invade anywhere and everywhere on a whim).

 

[Petike]

Here's a theoretical (non-canon... yet) squadron badge of "The Hammer Shields", an international UN air force squadron serving in 1960s Katanga. Their main role (besides the usual strafing of warlords and their makeshift armies) is fighting Ayn Rand and her increasingly loopy regime governed from Galtville (formerly known as Kolwezi). The squadron's name is a deliberate calque/pun honouring the surname of the then UN general secretary, Dag Hammarskjöld.

 

[Petike]

Old:

Wasn't this one used only by the Dutch East Indies squadrons ?

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Wow, you're back. The thread has come full circle.

 

[Uruk]

Here's a theoretical (non-canon... yet) squadron badge of "The Hammer Shields", an international UN air force squadron serving in 1960s Katanga. Their main role (besides the usual strafing of warlords and their makeshift armies) is fighting Ayn Rand and her increasingly loopy regime governed from Galtville (formerly known as Kolwezi). The squadron's name is a deliberate calque/pun honouring the surname of the then UN general secretary, Dag Hammarskjöld.

That is interesting would it be a Swedish manned unit like the OTL F22?
An interesting tidbit is that the Swedish Eskader (Group) 1 was nick named ÖBs Hammare (Hammer of the CinC)

 

[Petike]

That is interesting would it be a Swedish manned unit like the OTL F22? An interesting tidbit is that the Swedish Eskader (Group) 1 was nick named ÖBs Hammare (Hammer of the CinC)

Linkwerk's TL hasn't gotten that far yet. The UN forces in the Congo are - for now - more in the background.

 

[Wendell]

This belongs in Alternate History Books and Media.

 

[Nietzsche]

Aw, no comments about my insignias?