Germany wins WWI but despite that due to a bad economic, domestic situation whatever it still becomes a republic? Is that possible?
AHC: Turn the German Empire into a Republic in a Central Power victory timeline
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Whilhelm II might be forced to abdicate in an extreme scenario but a republic would never happen
Well... Not realy. The only reasons why in otl germany became a Republik, was
1. Treason of Scheidemann (his lie that the Kaiser had abdicated was one of the main reasons for the downgoll of the Dynastie)
2. The first World War "proved" in otl the superiority of the Republics against the monarchies for the german people . Which wouldnt happen ittl
3. The reason why in otl not the army forced the upriding down Was that would mean nothing because one of the main requirements was the abdicitation of the emperorer. This pressure isnt here, so the army has all its freedom to crush any uprising.
4. Thd Freikorps shows you how the army fiews that matter
5. A domestic reason... no, the emperor could do anything what he want, apoint a Kanzler, declare war..only for New laws or to approve a new Budget. without any Support of the army... nearly impossible
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The Army threatened to replace with his son him during the July crisis. His son was not popular at the end of the war. The crown prince of Bavaria was popular and competent. Perhaps they change the ruling family?
The German Empire and most of the elite were protestants, junkers/prussians so a catholic from bavaria on the throne is not realistic IMO. appartently neither is the scenario but I still wanted to ask it.
Not really easy. When Germany has won WW1 monarchy is very popular and there would be too lot of reforms which would transfer Germany more towards parliamentary system. Furthermore without losing WW1 German monarhcy is not discredited.
Probably only way is that France and Italy too become socialist and Britain too fall to socialist revolution. Later they defeat Germany at WW2. But even that not seem really likely. That would require lot of mismanagement of interwar period from Germany and lot of good luck from France and Italy. And Britain hardly ends to revolution.
Probably only way is that France and Italy too become socialist and Britain too fall to socialist revolution. Later they defeat Germany at WW2. But even that not seem really likely. That would require lot of mismanagement of interwar period from Germany and lot of good luck from France and Italy. And Britain hardly ends to revolution.
... what shall these be with what function and who's is shown what???
no. ... or well ... only if he makes him prussian ministerpresident as well what he has to somewhat be coordinated with some/several other power groups in prussia
no. ... or ... only in case of attack of the confederation the empire was asking for immediat military reaction. OTOH he couls NOT make any peace other than status quo ante and even this only with approval by the other states (Bavaria, Saxony Lippe-Detmold, etc.) of the confederation the empire actually was.
... esp. including every law bringing in money to be spent on Reichs-level and esp. every military budget on Reichs level
... only if it's a ruling family in Prussia
All of the above are heavily restricted by the constitution of 1871/72
... folks ... I would REALLY recommend some at least marginal study (even wikipedia should suffuce in this case) of the constitution of thebismarckian, the "Second" german empire.
However, on topic:
If the OP thinks about a 'republic' abandoning monarchy completly ... NO, not after victory and without a revolution
If a 'constitutional monarchy' comparable to todays Netherlands, Belguim, Luxembourg, Norway, Sweden ...
IMHO VERY WELL possible. All what happened with reforms from above, Easter declaration etc. were things already in the talks and makings at and partially even before WW 1 broke out the latter maybe accelerating (some of) them but happened they would have anyway.
But ... if you construct a timeline with a revolution even after victory happens (though IMHO less probably but still possible) ...
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The only way I could see it happening if we are dealing with a late CP victory as in narrow one in 1918 somehow, by which time the army expect for the very top brass (who'm most soldiers would see as REMFs) is dominated by commoners, yet for some reason the German Establishment refuses to see where the wind is blowing and resists any reforms to a more Parliamentary System. Being unwilling to bend they break - or get broken - instead.
Germany loses a very alternate World War II and some sort of Republican government(s?) is established by it's occupiers.
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Wilhelm II was not very popular before the war and if the war in 1918 ends with Brest Litowsk and a white peace in the west then insulting some soldiers who actual fought in the trenches and or refusing the reform of the election system in the Kingdom of Prussia is all we need ....
Maybe a status quo ante bellum in the west but Brest-Litovsk remains in force, maybe even cede Alsace-Loraine.
Germany is economically broken, resistance to Prussian electoral reform or something similar may trigger serious civil strife.