AHC: rome falls in the final wars of the republic
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Maybe Romans lose the Social Wars. The other Italic tribes found the Federation Republic of Italia.
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Highly unlikely to happen. The primary difference between Rome and everyone else is that they never accepted their defeats. When knocked down, they got up, dusted themselves off and, if necessary reinvented themselves, to beat the people who'd just beat them.
Maybe another Cimbri-Teutoni style migration? The Romans had difficulty enough fighting off OTL's version, if they have to face a similar threat in the midst of a civil war they might not be able to pull it off.
Caesar dies in Alexandria, in the west the civil war is still going, in the east Pharnaces II is poised to take over Anatolia and (with Marc Antony tied down by the civil war and pacifying the senate) Syria probably falls to Parthia. Depending on how the civil war goes from there Rome could very well lose a lot of its provinces.
It would be interesting, if the Cibri-Teutons actually settled in Italy and maintained their status as constant threat to Rome.
Republic never properly re unites after a spat of civil wars.
Imagine 6 or 8 Sextus Pompeys, all holding pieces of the Empire but not strong enough to reunite the whole, all paying varried degrees of lip service to a Senate that controls Italy but not much else.
After a generation it becomes the status quo. It may have not technically fallen, but it is done as an Imperial power.
Imagine 6 or 8 Sextus Pompeys, all holding pieces of the Empire but not strong enough to reunite the whole, all paying varried degrees of lip service to a Senate that controls Italy but not much else.
After a generation it becomes the status quo. It may have not technically fallen, but it is done as an Imperial power.
Time the Cimbri invasion with the civil war with the social war with Mithradates doing his thing invading Greece. The problem with that is though, you'd almost insantly have some sort of deal struck with the revolting Italians, and one side is probably going to rapidly lose support in the civil war if they try and continue it (or just happen to be on the wrong side of one of those areas being invaded). From there it wouldn't be hard to sign some temporary peace with Mithradates (or even just leave him alone) while dealing with the Cimbri/Teutones.
Seraphiel
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In short a perfect series of events would be required for a collapse to occur. The thing about the Roman Republic during this time was that many of its civil conflicts only happened by there were no great external threats, in the face of a severe crisis I agree with you. One side or other would lose support near instantly so political forces could consolidate.
Grey Wolf
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Absolutely. They would not be Rome, they would not have that cachet. Their proto-state would be in central Italy, elsewhere federated to it. It would be a potentially ecnomically important and cohesive. But it would not immediately be able simply to take over Rome's role.
It would even have a potential resurgant Rome to deal with, needing to be put down again at some future time.
The end goal of the Social War was always to achieve Roman citizenship, not to separate from Rome. Rome was actually faring incredibly poorly in the Social War, and when they realized they couldn't really beat them head to head, they offered citizenship to any town that surrendered. Most of them promptly did.