AHC: Make 1848 revolution in Germany the prelude to a proletarian revolution

In the Manifesto of the Communist Party (1848), Marx and Engels make the following statement:

Marx & Engels said:
The Communists turn their attention chiefly to Germany, because that country is on the eve of a bourgeoisie revolution that is bound to be carried out under more advanced conditions of European civilisation, and with a much more developed proletariat, than that of England in the seventeenth, or of France in the eighteenth century, and because the bourgeoisie revolution in Germany will be but the prelude to an immediately following proletarian revolution.

So your goal, then, is to make the 1848 revolutions in Germany develop into a proletarian revolution along Marxist lines.

Good luck!

(Incidentally, this happens to be the fourth thread I've started relating to the 1848 Revolutions... But I was just reading the Communist Manifesto and I couldn't resist. :p)
 
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What is the definition of "proletarian revolution along Marxist lines"? Please be specific.

Again quoting from The Communist Manifesto:

Marx & Engels said:
We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class, is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle of democracy.

The proletariat will use its political supremacy, to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i. e., of the proletariat organized as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible.

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionizing the mode of production.

These measures will of course be different in different countries.
Nevertheless in the most advanced countries the following will be pretty generally applicable:

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of population over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc., etc.

When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organized power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organize itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms, and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class.

In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.
 
This is a pretty important topic. If explicitly Marxist is impossible, what's the most left-wing revolution which could grow out of 1848?
 
Considering during that there weren't anything close to what we would call 'Marxist' fighting for proletarian revolution during the Springtime of the Peoples, this is a fairly impossible challenge.

There were certaintly plenty of revolutionary leftist ideas, leaders, and movements during the 1848 Revolutions - just look at France, or certain regions of Germany. But none of them are Marxist, or even communist; at least in the way we understand those terms. The most left-wing government you could probably get would be in France during the June Days. There you'd see a Social Republic which guarantees employment, food, housing, etc. for all citizens. And a government that would certainly be interested in 'liberating' some of the various oppressed peoples of Europe (read: the Poles).
 
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Considering during that there weren't anything close to what we would call 'Marxist' fighting for proletarian revolution during the Springtime of the Peoples, this is a fairly impossible challenge.

There were certaintly plenty of revolutionary leftist ideas, leaders, and movements during the 1848 Revolutions - just look at France, or certain regions of Germany. But none of them are Marxist, or even communist; at least in the way we understand those terms.

There was Proud'hon(?) maybe already, but not sure. And his ideas where a bit different, less statist one would say.
 
Considering during that there weren't anything close to what we would call 'Marxist' fighting for proletarian revolution during the Springtime of the Peoples, this is a fairly impossible challenge.

Probably not just after the 1848 revolution, as Marx said you first need a bourgeois state to then go to a proletarian revolution, but if the 1848 revolution establish a bourgeois government in Frankfurt, you may see a proletarian revolution down the line, especialy if Marx is still in Germany and become an editorialist in a widely read socialist newspaper.

There were certaintly plenty of revolutionary leftist ideas, leaders, and movements during the 1848 Revolutions - just look at France, or certain regions of Germany. But none of them are Marxist, or even communist; at least in the way we understand those terms. The most left-wing government you could probably get would be in France during the June Days. There you'd see a Social Republic which guarantees employment, food, housing, etc. for all citizens. And a government that would certainly be interested in 'liberating' some of the various oppressed peoples of Europe (read: the Poles).

Combine a success of the two 1848 revolutions and you could also see the german proletariat being inspired by the French Social Republic. This combined with my first point would be the dream of Marx i think.

There was Proudhon maybe already, but not sure. And his ideas where a bit different, less statist one would say.

Proudhon was too much of an anarchist and he wasn't really known outside of France at this time. Also, he would oppose Marx even if they would say the same thing due to his rabid antisemitism.
 
Actually, there was specifically Marxist involvement in 1848. But it was very small and rather localized. And even the radicals wanted nothing to do with them, so given that even the liberal gains were swept away, that radical gains were only even temporarily successful in a very few places (Venice the best example, Rome a temporary one, and southern Germany (Baden?) a very, very temporary one), the idea that a Marxist style revolution could take place (without the existence of a proletariat - factory workers were a very small portion of the population and an extremely minor factor in the revolts that year. Of course, the lack of a proletariat didn't stop the revolution in Russia, later.:)), let alone that it could be successful or last is exceedingly difficult.

Could there be a Marxist revolt if the Communist League (or whatever its name was, I forget) had actually managed to march into one of the German states (they were based in France)? Yes. Could they last longer than a couple of weeks? I doubt it. Could they last the months or years+ that Rome (the former) or Venice (the latter) did with much less radical regimes? Nope.

This is verging on ASB, if it isn't there, IMO. It would be sort of fun if someone could prove me wrong, though.
 
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