AHC: A Surviving, Stronger House of Luxembourg

woll · May 20, 2020

What would Europe be like for the next few hundred years if the House of Luxembourg remained in power for longer than they did. Say Sigismund has an heir that survives into adulthood and manages to convince the electors to elect his heir.

Jan Olbracht · May 20, 2020

woll said:
What would Europe be like for the next few hundred years if the House of Luxembourg remained in power for longer than they did. Say Sigismund has an heir that survives into adulthood and manages to convince the electors to elect his heir.

What about something even better-Sigismund's younger brother John of Görlitz survives and also have at least one son? Thus Luxembourgs keeps also Brandenburg (as after death of Jobst Brandenburg likely goes to John) and John's son marries daughter of Jogaila (who happens to have no sons ITTL) so Luxembourgs get also Polish throne?

kasumigenx · May 21, 2020

I think the Luxembourgs could get more of Poland, they could get Posen....

Kellan Sullivan · May 21, 2020

@woll: its like you read my mind. I was gonna post a WI yesterday about Johann of Görlitz's daughter being born male instead.

Jan Olbracht said:
What about something even better-Sigismund's younger brother John of Görlitz survives and also have at least one son? Thus Luxembourgs keeps also Brandenburg (as after death of Jobst Brandenburg likely goes to John) and John's son marries daughter of Jogaila (who happens to have no sons ITTL) so Luxembourgs get also Polish throne?

Would Johann's son, married to a Polish heiress presumptive, be eligible to stand for imperial successor then? I imagine Poland wouldn't want their future king's husband to be elected since it would mean that Poland runs the risk of being incorporated into the empire. And they BARELY liked the union with Hungary during Lajos I's reign, what would make them feel better about their king being married to the future emperor?

And that's BEFORE we get to the Baby Jesus crying matter of the imperial succession.

Jan Olbracht · May 21, 2020

Kellan Sullivan said:
@woll: its like you read my mind. I was gonna post a WI yesterday about Johann of Görlitz's daughter being born male instead.

Would Johann's son, married to a Polish heiress presumptive, be eligible to stand for imperial successor then? I imagine Poland wouldn't want their future king's husband to be elected since it would mean that Poland runs the risk of being incorporated into the empire. And they BARELY liked the union with Hungary during Lajos I's reign, what would make them feel better about their king being married to the future emperor?

And that's BEFORE we get to the Baby Jesus crying matter of the imperial succession.

There are two solutions for this:
-Sigismund has son too.
-Sigismund has only daughter like IOTL, but John has two sons, older one marries heiress of Bohemia and Hungary, younger one marries heiress of Poland

@krieger

krieger · May 22, 2020

Jan Olbracht said:
There are two solutions for this:
-Sigismund has son too.
-Sigismund has only daughter like IOTL, but John has two sons, older one marries heiress of Bohemia and Hungary, younger one marries heiress of Poland

@krieger

I think that Poles wouldn't care if their ruler was an emperor or wasn't, after all emperorship didn't give you any lands specifically connected with being emperor.

Jan Olbracht · May 22, 2020

krieger said:
I think that Poles wouldn't care if their ruler was an emperor or wasn't, after all emperorship didn't give you any lands specifically connected with being emperor.

Still, one son of John of Görlitz would not be able to marry two heiresses at once, two sons would solve that problem.

krieger · May 22, 2020

Jan Olbracht said:
Still, one son of John of Görlitz would not be able to marry two heiresses at once, two sons would solve that problem.

Yeah, but I adressed the issue of Imperial-Polish union, but I think it'd be interesting if John's son had to fight against Albert & Elizabeth, it could lead to Luxembourg version of War of the Roses.

Jan Olbracht · May 22, 2020

krieger said:
Yeah, but I adressed the issue of Imperial-Polish union, but I think it'd be interesting if John's son had to fight against Albert & Elizabeth, it could lead to Luxembourg version of War of the Roses.

John's son would be obvious first choice for Elizabeth's hand, I don't think Sigismund would ever mind Albert as son-in-law if there was male Luxembourg available for his daughter.

krieger · May 22, 2020

Jan Olbracht said:
John's son would be obvious first choice for Elizabeth's hand, I don't think Sigismund would ever mind Albert as son-in-law if there was male Luxembourg available for his daughter.

Maybe if Sigismund didn't like him as a person, than he could choose Albert, in turn John's son would ally with Jogaila and so we have Wars of the Lions (Luxembourgs had lion in their sigil).