A defense of Husband E Kimmel

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Just a quickie bit of work in response to this thread https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=261554

Even today, more than 70 years after the event, the surprise Japanese attack against the U.S. on December 7th 1941 remains one of the most popular discussion items among students of the Second World War. While much of the discussion revolves around how the USN could have allowed the Imperial Japanese Navy to bring virtually its entire striking force to within 300 miles of Pearl Harbor undetected and what might have happened if not for the completely accidental discovery of the Japanese cruiser force that had, inexplicably, been sent to bombard the airfield on Midway Island on the evening of December 7th (i.e. after the scheduled attack against the Pearl Harbor anchorage and shore facilities), a decent argument can be had just by mentioning the name Kimmel.

While it is perhaps unfair that the Commander, U.S. Fleet Admiral Husband E Kimmel, is blamed for everything that happened on the “Day of Infamy”, that has been the verdict of history, albeit a verdict that was more or less set in stone long before the end of the War in August of 1945. The real question is, however, how much blame should be heaped on Kimmel’s shoulders?

Kimmel was not in command of the search assets that belonged to the USAAF, those fell under the control of General Short, as did the defense of the fleet units while in the harbor. How can Kimmel be blamed for the poor results turned in by men not under his command?

The infamous “War Warning” notice of November 27, 1941 was hardy a flaming message in the sky. In fact even the authors of the message, Admiral Stark and General Marshal,admit that they never imagined for an instant that the Japanese would actually strike at Pearl Harbor, expecting instead that the blow would fall on the Philippines and perhaps on Wake Island. If the men who sent the message didn’t expect the attack, should Kimmel be blamed for believing the real danger lay across the Pacific in the Philippines?

The Japanese broke every rule of military planning with the Pearl Harbor attack plan. They put their entire striking force into the jaws of a trap, beyond their range capacity (the almost irrational actions taken by the Japanese, up to and including the deck loading of fuel drum onto ships of the fleet, including on at least one of the Kido Butai carriers, to allow the fleet to reach strike position are legendary), and well within the reach of the most powerful military base in the Pacific Basin between the West Coast of North America and Malaya. Can Kimmel be reasonably held liable for failing to anticipate this sort of effort?

Kimmel’s snap decision to sortie the fleet when the contact report was received from the Midway patrol sighting, leaving the safety of the harbor, with its famously shallow waters, strong ground based air defenses and large contingent of front line fighters, is one that was roundly condemned by the Congressional Committee on the Conduct of the War. However, as a naval officer, what else could be expected of him, especially after the example set by the British air attack against the Italian fleet in its Taranto anchorage? The Royal Navy had proved that battleships were in fact vulnerable to enemy aircraft when tied up to the quay, to criticize Kimmel for doing what he could to avoid a similar fate seems, to this author, to be overly harsh. Yes, the decision to sortie resulted in something of a mad dash, one that was lacking in organization, but a fleet is meant to be at sea, not in port when the enemy is near. A ship that can maneuver is always better off than one tied to the dock.

The main charge laid against Kimmel, namely that he went in the wrong direction, is also somewhat disingenuous. It carries in it the double implication that 1) Kimmel was a fool and 2) Kimmel was trying to evade battle (one of the implications also often raised by those who criticize the decision to sortie). Neither belief is true.

The USN had long believed that any sort of IJN attack against Pearl Harbor would be originate out of the Marshall Islands (i.e. the Mandates) or, put another way, from the southwest, not from the northeast. In shaping his course in the general direction of Wake, Kimmel was, far from fleeing the enemy, rather running headlong toward where every senior planner in the U.S. Navy expected the enemy to be. That he was doing it without any sort of useful air cover (with both Enterprise and Lexington off on ferry missions) might well be said to have been reckless, but cowardly? Hardly.

In hindsight, it is likely that the fleet would have been better off had it remained in port. The Japanese strikes lost nearly 170 aircraft to the combination of P-40 fighters and their .50 caliber machine guns and the skillful Army anti-aircraft gunners (post war, one of the few men to have flown in the December 7th raid and have survived the entire war described the anti-aircraft fire over Pearl Harbor the heaviest he ever saw from a ground installation) while damage to ships unable to sortie was deemed to be moderate at worst (of the ships unable to meet the sortie order, only the USS San Francisco was permanently lost, she wreckage deemed to be too far lost to justify salvage). Based on the results it seems likely that the losses to the Battle Force would have been minimal, certainly far less than the nearly 2,000 men who died when the Oklahoma and West Virginia were sunk by torpedoes fired by the I-23 (which was, in turn subsequently sunk by a ferocious depth charging by American destroyers). Still, the loss of warships is, simply put, part of war.

Perhaps the best reason that Husband Kimmel should be given the benefit of the doubt is that he was never able to defend himself from the (mainly unreasonable) charges laid against him. Admiral Husband E Kimmel died on December 23rd, 1941 of injuries suffered when his force flag, USS West Virginia was sunk at 1600 hours (local) on December 7th, 1941.


Comments are, as always, quite welcome.
 
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Seems nice. I honestly hadn't thought about how the Americans were expecting the attack to come from a completely different direction, although I guess it makes sense considering the absurd lengths the Japanese went to to give their ships enough range.
 
One sub got two BB's? That's pretty impressive work. :D

I do like the touch of going where you expect the enemy to come from...
 
That's a detailed and well-reasoned quickie. I'll be sure to refer to this whenever I got into an argument about Pearl Harbor. ;)

Marc A
 
I'd always thought the most egregious story of failure at Pearl Harbor was the incident with the Army radar station picking up the first wave of the strike, only to be told:

1) stand down you idiots, it's Sunday! Stop wasting the taxpayer's money, these radars aren't a toy!

2) Those blips you see? Probably a bunch of B-17s scheduled to convoy in, not to worry. Now turn your radars off and go back to your barracks!

This puts the Army again in the hot seat. The Army had of course agitated for and got the role of responsibility for coastal defense; they argued that land-based aircraft which could bomb ships at sea were a logical extension of shore batteries; the Army should therefore be in charge of attacking invading enemy fleet elements within the range of landplanes from the shore.

The brilliant thing about the British Chain Home system of radars was not the technology involved (which was quite laughably primitive, actually). It is that radar data was accepted as important tactical information, and the stations were integrated into the RAF Fighter Command system--to the point that an interceptor pilot could be connected to the voice of a Chain Home operator vectoring him toward his targets. The really vital thing was, planes would scramble based on these blips.

The technology the US Army had that Sunday in Hawaii was far superior to the Chain Home radar. Unfortunately the Army bureaucracy did not assimilate it into the command structure the way the British had done.

Of course General Short had the same broad excuses Kimmel did; everyone expected that an attack on the Philippines would be the early warning, and until then, Hawaii was not on alert. The radars were new and from the Army's point of view, experimental technology, the radar operators were in training. When the British put up much more primitive radars several years earlier, they were expecting that if war did break out, air strikes at Britain would be immediately in the cards, certainly if the Germans could, as they had during the Great War, secure themselves some bases closer than Germany itself--but even before the fall of either Belgium or the Netherlands the Luftwaffe certainly had the range to strike at Britain from German bases and presumably would do so immediately. So Britain was on the front lines in a way that Hawaii was not presumed to be.

I had not realized Kimmel was dead within a month of the attack; Short I believe did face court-martial and general censure in person.
 

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Of course, IOTL, Kimmel was not killed as a result of the attack (although it was very close, he was actually struck by a spent round from a machine gun that had slowed to the point that it did not even wound him; he is reputed to have said "it would have been kinder if it had killed me"). He suffered the same fate as Short, being reduced in rank from full Admiral (4 star) to Rear Admiral, upper half (2 star) and involuntarily retired in 1942.

The failure to accept the radar contact as being significant was just one more symptom of being in "peace mode". Tragic, but not really surprising given the mindset that prevaded the U.S. military at the time.
I'd always thought the most egregious story of failure at Pearl Harbor was the incident with the Army radar station picking up the first wave of the strike, only to be told:

1) stand down you idiots, it's Sunday! Stop wasting the taxpayer's money, these radars aren't a toy!

2) Those blips you see? Probably a bunch of B-17s scheduled to convoy in, not to worry. Now turn your radars off and go back to your barracks!

This puts the Army again in the hot seat. The Army had of course agitated for and got the role of responsibility for coastal defense; they argued that land-based aircraft which could bomb ships at sea were a logical extension of shore batteries; the Army should therefore be in charge of attacking invading enemy fleet elements within the range of landplanes from the shore.

The brilliant thing about the British Chain Home system of radars was not the technology involved (which was quite laughably primitive, actually). It is that radar data was accepted as important tactical information, and the stations were integrated into the RAF Fighter Command system--to the point that an interceptor pilot could be connected to the voice of a Chain Home operator vectoring him toward his targets. The really vital thing was, planes would scramble based on these blips.

The technology the US Army had that Sunday in Hawaii was far superior to the Chain Home radar. Unfortunately the Army bureaucracy did not assimilate it into the command structure the way the British had done.

Of course General Short had the same broad excuses Kimmel did; everyone expected that an attack on the Philippines would be the early warning, and until then, Hawaii was not on alert. The radars were new and from the Army's point of view, experimental technology, the radar operators were in training. When the British put up much more primitive radars several years earlier, they were expecting that if war did break out, air strikes at Britain would be immediately in the cards, certainly if the Germans could, as they had during the Great War, secure themselves some bases closer than Germany itself--but even before the fall of either Belgium or the Netherlands the Luftwaffe certainly had the range to strike at Britain from German bases and presumably would do so immediately. So Britain was on the front lines in a way that Hawaii was not presumed to be.

I had not realized Kimmel was dead within a month of the attack; Short I believe did face court-martial and general censure in person.
 
Seems nice. I honestly hadn't thought about how the Americans were expecting the attack to come from a completely different direction, although I guess it makes sense considering the absurd lengths the Japanese went to to give their ships enough range.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opana_Radar_Site

Given the mountains of Oahu in relation to Opana point, that radar station must have been positioned solely to detect air raids coming in from the north and east, right?
 
A very nice little time line. Personal Opinion:

1. One submarine sinking two battleships is unlikely.
2. A deceased Admiral Kimmel would be a martyr. It would improve his reputation, and a tendency to 'not speak ill of our honored dead' would protect it.
3. I was going to make a point about USS Enterprise being "in the area", but I'm not sure it would be close enough to join the battle line on the 7th.
 
The real question is, however, how much blame should be heaped on Kimmel’s shoulders?

King axed commanders throughout the war on far less than this. Who else is to be held responsible for the naval debacle at Pearl Harbor if not Kimmel?

Nice piece BTW.

They put their entire striking force into the jaws of a trap, beyond their range capacity (the almost irrational actions taken by the Japanese, up to and including the deck loading of fuel drum onto ships of the fleet, including on at least one of the Kido Butai carriers, to allow the fleet to reach strike position are legendary).

The drummed fuel was a provision to guard against gale force conditions expected in the North Pacific that might prevent refueling . It was not indicative of a lack of ability to use underway refueling to reach Hawaii. Nor did Kimmel have cause to assume that massive carriers like Akagi and Shokaku required underway refueling to raid Hawaii.

Can Kimmel be reasonably held liable for failing to anticipate this sort of effort?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Short

‘In a letter dated January 24, 1941, Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox advised the Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson that the increased gravity of the Japanese situation had prompted a restudy of the problem of the security of the Pacific Fleet while in Pearl Harbor. Knox wrote: "If war eventuates with Japan, It is believed easily possible that hostilities would be initiated by a surprise attack upon the fleet or the naval base at Pearl Harbor." The letter proceeded: "The dangers envisaged in their order of importance and probability are considered to be: (1) Air bombing attack (2) Air torpedo plane attack, (3) Sabotage, (4) Submarine attack, (5) Mining, (6) Bombardment by gunfire."[4]

So, long before the attack, the threat was deemed, in order of probability, to be bombing attack followed by torpedo attack. Given that Oahu was 2,000 miles from the nearest Japanese base, it obviously meant carrier bombing and torpedo attacks. Washington then smothered them in fighters, long range B-17’s and PBY’s, and new radars to protect their base against carrier attack.

 

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King axed commanders throughout the war on far less than this. Who else is to be held responsible for the naval debacle at Pearl Harbor if not Kimmel?

Nice piece BTW.



The drummed fuel was a provision to guard against gale force conditions expected in the North Pacific that might prevent refueling . It was not indicative of a lack of ability to use underway refueling to reach Hawaii. Nor did Kimmel have cause to assume that massive carriers like Akagi and Shokaku required underway refueling to raid Hawaii.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Short

‘In a letter dated January 24, 1941, Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox advised the Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson that the increased gravity of the Japanese situation had prompted a restudy of the problem of the security of the Pacific Fleet while in Pearl Harbor. Knox wrote: "If war eventuates with Japan, It is believed easily possible that hostilities would be initiated by a surprise attack upon the fleet or the naval base at Pearl Harbor." The letter proceeded: "The dangers envisaged in their order of importance and probability are considered to be: (1) Air bombing attack (2) Air torpedo plane attack, (3) Sabotage, (4) Submarine attack, (5) Mining, (6) Bombardment by gunfire."[4]

So, long before the attack, the threat was deemed, in order of probability, to be bombing attack followed by torpedo attack. Given that Oahu was 2,000 miles from the nearest Japanese base, it obviously meant carrier bombing and torpedo attacks. Washington then smothered them in fighters, long range B-17’s and PBY’s, and new radars to protect their base against carrier attack.

The USN also assumed that any such attack would come from the southwest, not from the North. The fuel drum situation was more for the ASW escorts than for the carriers themselves, or for the heavy surface escorts. It was the responsibility of the carriers to fuel the light units.
 
CalBear said:
Even today, more than 70 years after the event, the surprise Japanese attack against the U.S. on December 7th 1941 remains one of the most popular discussion items among students of the Second World War. While much of the discussion revolves around how the USN could have allowed the Imperial Japanese Navy to bring virtually its entire striking force to within 300 miles of Pearl Harbor undetected and what might have happened if not for the completely accidental discovery of the Japanese cruiser force that had, inexplicably, been sent to bombard the airfield on Midway Island on the evening of December 7th (i.e. after the scheduled attack against the Pearl Harbor anchorage and shore facilities), a decent argument can be had just by mentioning the name Kimmel.

While it is perhaps unfair that the Commander, U.S. Fleet Admiral Husband E Kimmel, is blamed for everything that happened on the “Day of Infamy”, that has been the verdict of history, albeit a verdict that was more or less set in stone long before the end of the War in August of 1945. The real question is, however, how much blame should be heaped on Kimmel’s shoulders?

Kimmel was not in command of the search assets that belonged to the USAAF, those fell under the control of General Short, as did the defense of the fleet units while in the harbor. How can Kimmel be blamed for the poor results turned in by men not under his command?

The infamous “War Warning” notice of November 27, 1941 was hardy a flaming message in the sky. In fact even the authors of the message, Admiral Stark and General Marshal,admit that they never imagined for an instant that the Japanese would actually strike at Pearl Harbor, expecting instead that the blow would fall on the Philippines and perhaps on Wake Island. If the men who sent the message didn’t expect the attack, should Kimmel be blamed for believing the real danger lay across the Pacific in the Philippines?

The Japanese broke every rule of military planning with the Pearl Harbor attack plan. They put their entire striking force into the jaws of a trap, beyond their range capacity (the almost irrational actions taken by the Japanese, up to and including the deck loading of fuel drum onto ships of the fleet, including on at least one of the Kido Butai carriers, to allow the fleet to reach strike position are legendary), and well within the reach of the most powerful military base in the Pacific Basin between the West Coast of North America and Malaya. Can Kimmel be reasonably held liable for failing to anticipate this sort of effort?

Kimmel’s snap decision to sortie the fleet when the contact report was received from the Midway patrol sighting, leaving the safety of the harbor, with its famously shallow waters, strong ground based air defenses and large contingent of front line fighters, is one that was roundly condemned by the Congressional Committee on the Conduct of the War. However, as a naval officer, what else could be expected of him, especially after the example set by the British air attack against the Italian fleet in its Taranto anchorage? The Royal Navy had proved that battleships were in fact vulnerable to enemy aircraft when tied up to the quay, to criticize Kimmel for doing what he could to avoid a similar fate seems, to this author, to be overly harsh. Yes, the decision to sortie resulted in something of a mad dash, one that was lacking in organization, but a fleet is meant to be at sea, not in port when the enemy is near. A ship that can maneuver is always better off than one tied to the dock.

The main charge laid against Kimmel, namely that he went in the wrong direction, is also somewhat disingenuous. It carries in it the double implication that 1) Kimmel was a fool and 2) Kimmel was trying to evade battle (one of the implications also often raised by those who criticize the decision to sortie). Neither belief is true.

The USN had long believed that any sort of IJN attack against Pearl Harbor would be originate out of the Marshall Islands (i.e. the Mandates) or, put another way, from the southwest, not from the northeast. In shaping his course in the general direction of Wake, Kimmel was, far from fleeing the enemy, rather running headlong toward where every senior planner in the U.S. Navy expected the enemy to be. That he was doing it without any sort of useful air cover (with both Enterprise and Lexington off on ferry missions) might well be said to have been reckless, but cowardly? Hardly.

In hindsight, it is likely that the fleet would have been better off had it remained in port. The Japanese strikes lost nearly 170 aircraft to the combination of P-40 fighters and their .50 caliber machine guns and the skillful Army anti-aircraft gunners (post war, one of the few men to have flown in the December 7th raid and have survived the entire war described the anti-aircraft fire over Pearl Harbor the heaviest he ever saw from a ground installation) while damage to ships unable to sortie was deemed to be moderate at worst (of the ships unable to meet the sortie order, only the USS San Francisco was permanently lost, she wreckage deemed to be too far lost to justify salvage). Based on the results it seems likely that the losses to the Battle Force would have been minimal, certainly far less than the nearly 2,000 men who died when the Oklahoma and West Virginia were sunk by torpedoes fired by the I-23 (which was, in turn subsequently sunk by a ferocious depth charging by American destroyers). Still, the loss of warships is, simply put, part of war.

Perhaps the best reason that Husband Kimmel should be given the benefit of the doubt is that he was never able to defend himself from the (mainly unreasonable) charges laid against him. Admiral Husband E Kimmel died on December 23rd, 1941 of injuries suffered when his force flag, USS West Virginia was sunk at 1600 hours (local) on December 7th, 1941.
Well done, especially on short notice.:cool::cool: (The Taranto angle was a nice touch.:cool:)

Kimmel just can't get a break, can he?:eek: TTL, tho, I think his reputation would be rehabilitated eventually.
Shevek23 said:
stand down you idiots, it's Sunday! Stop wasting the taxpayer's money, these radars aren't a toy!
Except, that was standard for all the radars on Oahu at the time. Operating more than a couple of hours a day was outside of orders...
Shevek23 said:
Those blips you see? Probably a bunch of B-17s scheduled to convoy in, not to worry.
Justified for four reasons:
  1. the B-17s were on a course close to that of the inbound strike
  2. Tyler, the intercept officer, was incompletely trained
  3. the intercept station was not yet fully operational
  4. the radar operators (Lockhart & the other guy {name I'm ashamed to say I can't recall,:eek: except it's not Will Gardner:p}) didn't tell Tyler how big the blip was (bigger than anything they'd ever seen)
Glenn239 said:
Given the mountains of Oahu in relation to Opana point, that radar station must have been positioned solely to detect air raids coming in from the north and east, right?
I believe so. Funny thing, placing it high actually made it less effective.:eek: The Oahu radars would've been better sited on the coast at sea level, as I understand it: less ground clutter.
 
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Oh Calbear...

You have the USN sortie out against no enemy at all. They just sortie out, because they think the Japanese may be on to something. Is that reasonable?
Would the entire US fleet sortie out because a bunch of Japanese cruisers were spotted?

I was hoping you would have the Kido Butai getting spotted and have Kimmel sortie against it.
 

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One sub got two BB's? That's pretty impressive work. :D

I do like the touch of going where you expect the enemy to come from...

It is impressive. IOTL, one German got two capital ships in WW1 in one day, and another one later in the war. Tonnage wise, the I-23 probably would be the best ever for a single day in warships, up to this day. Seems like maybe one American would top his tonnage later in the war OTL. Two ships is quite plausible for a submarine with a good attack angle, good torpedoes and not too concerned about escaping.
 
It is impressive. IOTL, one German got two capital ships in WW1 in one day, and another one later in the war. Tonnage wise, the I-23 probably would be the best ever for a single day in warships, up to this day. Seems like maybe one American would top his tonnage later in the war OTL. Two ships is quite plausible for a submarine with a good attack angle, good torpedoes and not too concerned about escaping.
Up to 1941 you are right, to the present day, not so much, West Virginia and Oklahoma put together displace less than Shinano, so USS Archer-Fish's (or any sub that gets her or her half sisters ITTL) record still stands
 

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The USN also assumed that any such attack would come from the southwest, not from the North. The fuel drum situation was more for the ASW escorts than for the carriers themselves, or for the heavy surface escorts. It was the responsibility of the carriers to fuel the light units.

Agreed. Also the best I can tell, they expect the Japanese carriers to be fueled in Marshall Islands. Since the Intel "knew" the carriers were in Japan, there was ZERO threat from air attack besides some possible long range land based bombers. Not even sure they could reach. Kimmel's mindset is understandable. It is also important to remember that he was tasked with training up men for a rapidly growing forces. So was Short. Every day sitting in an AA pit is a day not spent training in classes or on training ranges. Every day patrolling at sea is a day not spend learning how the equipment on the ship works. Some of these ships were losing over 1/2 of all sailors every 6 months (per Adm Richardson). Often ships had less than 1/3 to 1/4 of men on the ship with over a year in the navy.

It gets off the TL, but one of the big reasons Richardson argued with FDR with fleet placement was the training issue, more than he really thought the Japanese could do what they did. In San Diego, you could spend almost 100% of the time training. In Pearl, it was under 50%. It makes a difference. Placing the fleet a Pearl was not a military decision but a diplomatic decision to signal resolve to the Japanese. On military needs only, the Fleet would have been in San Diego or in the Canal Zone or maybe even in the Gulf of Mexico. Even given a weeks warning on the war starting, Kimmel lacked the supplies to run Plan Orange.
 

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Up to 1941 you are right, to the present day, not so much, West Virginia and Oklahoma put together displace less than Shinano, so USS Archer-Fish's (or any sub that gets her or her half sisters ITTL) record still stands

I was thinking of the submarine at the Marianna battle. Seems like one got two carriers.
 
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