A Blunted Sickle - Thread II

"Author has explained he sees an long post war of Germany having a prosperous economy but no armed forces what I understand to mean a long occupation."-Ramontxo.

Somewhat reminiscent of our time line's post-war Japan.
With Poland filling in for Korea.
 
With Poland filling in for Korea.

On that note, considering the hints of a Soviet-Japanese war going to happen (while Japan is still at war with China) I wonder what Korea's fate will be OTL. As while the main Soviet objective will be Manchuria, Kuril Islands and sakhalin I can't imagine an massive uprising won't occur in Korea which combined with the inevitable Japanese collapse in China could lead to an independent Korea. Furthermore it would be an open question if it would become Communist or if the USSR might prefer Finlandization (which may be Koreanization TTL).
 
With greater Soviet involvement in East Asia on the horizon, it would be interesting to see a more orthodox Marxist-Leninist Korea that follows a political trajectory more like other Soviet-aligned states than the nigh-deification of the Kim family under Juche. Having the entire peninsula would change the power balance considerably, as there were plenty of socialists in what became South Korea as well. A lot of it will probably hinge on whatever happens in China.
 
Maybe it will be Germany that's going to create anime XD

It would have to compete with the immediately adjacent and nascent Franco-Belgian school

Another rival I think would be the Chinese since there was a studio actively making movies in the 1930s and 40s.

With greater Soviet involvement in East Asia on the horizon, it would be interesting to see a more orthodox Marxist-Leninist Korea that follows a political trajectory more like other Soviet-aligned states than the nigh-deification of the Kim family under Juche. Having the entire peninsula would change the power balance considerably, as there were plenty of socialists in what became South Korea as well. A lot of it will probably hinge on whatever happens in China.

I would argue its more dependant on Stalin's ambitions. As I think the nationalists could actually win TTL
I envision Stalin inviting the Chinese Communists into Manchuria after defeating the Japanese only to them purge them. So Manchuria would be a Republic within the USSR
 
I would argue its more dependant on Stalin's ambitions. As I think the nationalists could actually win TTL
I envision Stalin inviting the Chinese Communists into Manchuria after defeating the Japanese only to them purge them. So Manchuria would be a Republic within the USSR

Would Stalin want to add ~50 million Chinese people to the USSR, though?
 
Would Stalin want to add ~50 million Chinese people to the USSR, though?

One of Stalin's aims has been restoring as much of the Imperial Russian border as possible and prior to the Russo -Japanese war Russia was defacto in control of Manchuria, which would be the war aim in a Soviet - Japanese War (along with full control of the trans-Siberian railway_. So at the very least there would be a puppet Soviet or People's Republic of Manchuria.
 
One of Stalin's aims has been restoring as much of the Imperial Russian border as possible and prior to the Russo -Japanese war Russia was defacto in control of Manchuria, which would be the war aim in a Soviet - Japanese War (along with full control of the trans-Siberian railway_. So at the very least there would be a puppet Soviet or People's Republic of Manchuria.

Right, but there's a big gap between Manchurian SSR and Manchurian People's Republic. There's a reason Stalin didn't annex all of Poland after the war, and he's even less likely to annex an even larger, more populous and more foreign region like Manchuria.
 
The USN program for Atomic Boilers might be advanced, rather than tossed into the MP and get lost in the whole Bomb Focus
Probably, but without Rickover being given access to Cold War type budgets we won't see much progress.

It *really* does lead to the question of whether the Americans would have any more access to the Research and Technological development of the Entente Nuclear development than the Italians, Soviets or Japanese. (They certainly will be physically closer to the research, and I think it would be quite appropriate for an inversion of OTL.
It's already somewhat established with the sharing of the MAUD report, but so far that's as far as it goes.
Some of the later decisions are going to very strongly drive some collaboration, but rather different from OTL.

Perhaps, but without the *obvious* public signs (V1&V2 rockets launched) that they have succeeded in anything that would make those who worked at Peenemünde Army Research Center obvious to be snapped up. None of the Rockets being worked on there were actually used to attack until 1943, I think. While funding did get shifted around iTTL (for example minimizing what was spent on the surface fleet), I don't remember indicating that a bunch of money was dumped on the Peenemünde people. And without the success, they become a lower priority. The Entente might actually want the engineers there who have done the advanced wind tunnel design as much or more.
The V-weapons don't get much love from the Germans ITTL - we see Friz-X/Hs-293 arriving much earlier than in OTL due to the Stuka being hopelessly vulnerable, and that sucks up the talent and money which went to the V-weapons in OTL.
They show up later on in the story, initially in the context of the Brakemine SAM programme and later on in France.

He doesn't mention how Adolf has his demise. And I am not going to give any spoilers, other than it is worth reading.
It involves bananas...

So what is the current state of the Soviet military right now? I assume without the experience of the Great Patriotic War and no Lend-Lease or other Allied material support they are nowhere near OTL levels of the same year. Where would you guys place them? Pre-Barbarossa? Pre-Winter War even?
Mid-late 1942, probably. They've had 6 months post-OTL Barbarossa without any of the losses, but a lot of what they're doing is wrong.

Given where the Japanese currently hold, can the Burma road be bombed before it splits up into multiple paths?
Not really - they can't risk bombing it in Burma, and the Chinese side is a long way from anywhere the Japanese are.

What I think is that France are going to get the Sarre. This is just four years after Múnich. No one is forgetting that or Foch saying after Versailles this is just an 20 years truce and getting it right. The Author has explained he sees an long post war of Germany having a prosperous economy but no armed forces what I understand to mean a long occupation.
A long occupation is the strongest argument against grabbing the Saar - why bother grabbing a chunk of territory when you've already got control of the whole thing?

On that note, considering the hints of a Soviet-Japanese war going to happen (while Japan is still at war with China) I wonder what Korea's fate will be OTL. As while the main Soviet objective will be Manchuria, Kuril Islands and sakhalin I can't imagine an massive uprising won't occur in Korea which combined with the inevitable Japanese collapse in China could lead to an independent Korea. Furthermore it would be an open question if it would become Communist or if the USSR might prefer Finlandization (which may be Koreanization TTL).
Finlandisation isn't going to work with Japan in the same way it did with NATO. If they aren't deterred directly by the USSR, the Japanese will be right back.
 
On the topic of post war German borders, Poland will probably annex East Prussia, most of Upper Silesia, Danzig along with a few smallish territorial changes elsewhere. Austria becomes independent, and the French have a enlarged Saar Protectorate and the Rhine might have some kind of 'internationalisation'

Population transfers/ethnic cleansing in the Suedtenland and ITTL's recovered territories are a near certainity.

Hungary are going to be in an interesting situation, with the Czeckslovakian government demanding the return of Southern Slovakia and Transcarpathia.
 

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A long occupation is the strongest argument against grabbing the Saar - why bother grabbing a chunk of territory when you've already got control of the whole thing?

As a form of compensation? Anyway it is a minor point in a fantastic timeline.

 
The first lesson that is going to applied is that any country that borders Germany and has a sizable German population will expel them even if the population can be traced centuries back as what was seen with the Sudetenland Germans that they won't be loyal citizens.
So if Poland gets East Prussia, West Prussia, Seliseia, and other parts of Eastern Germany the German population is going to be expelled with little or no compensation the same with Czechoslovakia.
The second lesson that trusting Germany to keep to any terms is a foolish choice and a very long occupation completely paid for by the population of Germany and also the Allies will make sure that any new German government will not deliberately inflate their economy like what happened in the 1920's.

As for the Soviet Union the Allies won't take any offensive military action against them but will defend themselves from any Soviet incursions.
The best course to take on the Soviet Union is cutting off credit and other economic sanctions to put the squeeze on them as they need capital and tools and machinery from the west to improve their economy.
 
A long occupation is the strongest argument against grabbing the Saar - why bother grabbing a chunk of territory when you've already got control of the whole thing?
I'm not sure I entirely agree with this point - annexing the Saar would be about moving the industries there to the French side of the ledger. I can see that being considered a boon even in the context of a total Franco-British occupation of Germany at large. The rest of Germany is still going to be unoccupied one day, and before then it's going to be an economic competitor to France.

Not that I think annexing the Saar is a no-brainer or guaranteed to happen. I also think that even if the French spring for the Saar, they'll never want to go for the West Bank. The former can probably be accepted by any German successor state, the latter is.... dicier.
 
Is there any time outside of Napoleon's time in Power when the French controlled all of the area to the Rhine (upstream of the Dutch/Flemish/Walloon speaking areas?) For this purpose the French are any state ruled from Paris...
 
Is there any time outside of Napoleon's time in Power when the French controlled all of the area to the Rhine (upstream of the Dutch/Flemish/Walloon speaking areas?) For this purpose the French are any state ruled from Paris...
The first french republic did.
 
Mid-late 1942, probably. They've had 6 months post-OTL Barbarossa without any of the losses, but a lot of what they're doing is wrong.
How? From an equipment perspective they can finally meet their objectives for 1942 without any German disruption. That brings them beyond some of the stuff they made up to 1943/44.
 
How? From an equipment perspective they can finally meet their objectives for 1942 without any German disruption. That brings them beyond some of the stuff they made up to 1943/44.
True, but they sold a *lot* like trucks to the 3R where they were either destroyed or will be in the hands of the Entente. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more Soviet built military trucks *west* of their border with what's left of Poland than *east* of it. They also haven't had any actual military experience other than Finland. And an Entente that isn't sitting on any land that Stalin made significant claims on prior to WWII isn't nearly the unifying force as a Germany that has declared all (or most) of your people undermenschen (sp?)
 
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