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The northern border is at the mouth of the Churchill River, and the western one is a good ways east (~100 miles) of OTL.
Very nice: quite a German-dynasty wank. Are the Vislanes another bunch of Germans? And how long is Egypt for the world?
Bruce
The Vislanes are actually the Vistulans, although one reader pointed out they'd probably have acquired a different name ITTL considering they are no longer anywhere near the Vistula, but I have no idea what to call them otherwise. (Just name them after the Danube instead? Seems like a cop-out to me.)
Egypt actually just recaptured a bit of lost territory a few years before the time of the map. The campaign ran out of steam in Palaestina, due to the presence of Jewish, *Catholic, *Coptic, and two rival *Muslim militias in the region making the whole thing a giant cluster****. Of course there'll be a rematch eventually, but for now Egypt's position is better than it used to be.
Got it; I tried to check with other maps to see and it looked similar.
Very nice. I'm gonna call it Texas though.
Cross-Posted from map contest.
Hokay: in this world the Egyptian Khedives managed to hold onto the Sudan and keep grubby European hands off their economy, and made some further gains by being on the other side of their World War I - equivalent from the Ottomans (that is to say, they were on the winning side). With a bigger economic base and some sensible development economics - they kept an eye on what the Japanese were up to, for one thing - they managed to grow their economy to the extent they developed a real middle class, and when the last Khedive was given his walking papers, the Republic that was declared managed (after a few false starts) to develop into a real one by the 70s. (Libyan oil helped, too - not enough to bring about Dutch disease, but enough to provide some solid investment money when it was needed). By the 2000s, Egypt is, like the UK or Italy or India, a solid second-rank economic and military power - but prosperity is not without its problems...
Bruce
Hokay: in this world the Egyptian Khedives managed to hold onto the Sudan and keep grubby European hands off their economy, and made some further gains by being on the other side of their World War I - equivalent from the Ottomans (that is to say, they were on the winning side). With a bigger economic base and some sensible development economics - they kept an eye on what the Japanese were up to, for one thing - they managed to grow their economy to the extent they developed a real middle class, and when the last Khedive was given his walking papers, the Republic that was declared managed (after a few false starts) to develop into a real one by the 70s. (Libyan oil helped, too - not enough to bring about Dutch disease, but enough to provide some solid investment money when it was needed). By the 2000s, Egypt is, like the UK or Italy or India, a solid second-rank economic and military power - but prosperity is not without its problems...
Bruce
I'm curious about this Eurasian Collective; some type of analogue to the USSR, I presume? Is Greece directly incorporated into the Collective, or is it an associated state like the UAE?
Hey guys, I thought I would get into the map game again by taking Arcvalon's map of the the Song of Ice and Fire universe and using it to depict the political situation as it existed before Robert's Rebellion. I largely used UCS colors for the various regions/states as I saw fit. The one exception is the Westerlands since I couldn't think of who their historical analogue would be, so I gave them a Lannister Crimson.
I decided on the England color for the Seven Kingdoms as a whole because Martin claimed to rely heavily on the War of the Roses for inspiration, and I thought the King holds far more power than the HREmperor, who would have been my next bet. The Crownlands don't get a separate color because the lords there are simply more direct vassals than the Great Houses, who seem to run their respective "kingdoms" with enough autonomy to deserve their own color. It's also worth mentioning that the Night's Watch have the Teutonic Order color, and are not a territory of the Scotland-analogue North. The borders in Essos are just reasonable estimations based on maps and what I've read in the books. If anyone has any questions/suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
I decided on the England color for the Seven Kingdoms as a whole because Martin claimed to rely heavily on the War of the Roses for inspiration, and I thought the King holds far more power than the HREmperor, who would have been my next bet. The Crownlands don't get a separate color because the lords there are simply more direct vassals than the Great Houses, who seem to run their respective "kingdoms" with enough autonomy to deserve their own color. It's also worth mentioning that the Night's Watch have the Teutonic Order color, and are not a territory of the Scotland-analogue North. The borders in Essos are just reasonable estimations based on maps and what I've read in the books. If anyone has any questions/suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
Great, but IMO the Free Cities have FAR too much land to be city-states; I seem to remember the Disputed Lands being huge in the maps, and most Free zterritories are very loosely held AFAIK.
You also forgot Naath and maybe Yi Ti and Asshai, plus you seem not to have given the Lhazareen a territory but hand it all to the Dothraki and -may R'hollor forgive you- you mixed in the Westerlands and the Iron Islands.
This is one of the few maps of yours I like. It is very good.
So how does a hugely successful ME lead to a "Better" USSR again?
Butterflies. It's not the USSR: about all it has in common with our Soviet Union is that it is centered in the old Russian Empire. It's also not necessarily _better_: it's just longer-lasting...
Bruce
Essentially. Greece is directly incorporated: I picture it as covering more of the Balkans but less of central Europe than our Warsaw Pact. And they take that "socialism is the end of nationalism" stuff a lot more seriously than our USSR.
Bruce
Er, thanks?
Bruce
Don`t take that badly, your Scenarios are quite interesting, I just don`t like the Archaic style you have with your maps. I can see why people like it, it just not to my taste. But this one looks strangely beautiful to me.
I could try and find a way to make their claims seem more notional, but more than anything I was under the impression that the Free Cities held suzerainty over large swaths of the Eastern Continent, and this is what I was trying to depict.
Naath was a mistake. Yi Ti and Asshai were not included because Martin has been too vague about where they are. The Lhazareen have a territory on the other side of the Skazhadan, it's right next to Meereen but doesn't have the Cathaginian-cultural outline I used to represent Ghiscar. The Iron Islands and Westerlands just have similar colors, I'll change that.
The timeline I have going takes place thousands of years from now after a period of totally wild, haphazard colonization of the galaxy.
Maybe make all the inland seas the same color as the oceans; I see that a few of them already are, but some of them are the same color as the rivers. Is it supposed to represent fresh water/salt water?
Even taking into account slower population growth due to economic development, Egypt should have atleast 30 million more people than that.
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