OH WOW!!!!!
An Indianapolis Wank
That's one way to do it (I've looked into Indianapolis Wanks before, being an Indianapolis man myself)
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OH WOW!!!!!
An Indianapolis Wank
That's one way to do it (I've looked into Indianapolis Wanks before, being an Indianapolis man myself)
I don't think the queen ever did that, but she does have some influence in our political system (a little bit too much for my taste, btw). The most important one is the appointment of a formateur after an election. He is the one who creates the next government and usualy becomes the next prime-minister. She also appoints the informateur. He is the one who leads the negotiations between various parties to see which parties are able to form a government together. This way the queen can have a lot of influence on what kind of government will rule the Netherlands for the next 4 years. According to rumours queen Beatrix was responsible for creating the purple government, the first government without the christian democrats.
When a government colapses, like what happened recently, the primeminister and all minister go to the queen to offer her their resignation (after which she usually asks them to continue governing the country untill the next election). I think you might be confused with that.
My new map:
North America in 2098:
(the World War is going on and the US Goverment is in exile in India)
North America in 2098:
(the World War is going on and the US Goverment is in exile in India)
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Nice map! Out of curiosity what does the Pacific Coast look like? I am sure you posted it somewhere but I can't find it.
Nice map! Out of curiosity what does the Pacific Coast look like? I am sure you posted it somewhere but I can't find it.
I don't see a map?
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Thande
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I was going to piss someone off whichever order I put it in. It was a choice between pissing off the French and Americans (who have nuclear missiles potentially aimed at my house) and the Germans and Italians (who don't), so...Eh. I find it odd how you put Presidential Democracy on the other side of Republican Dictatorship in the Republic scale. After all, Presidential Democracies already have a strongman, so to say, hes just constitutionally kept in check an delected
Tallest Skil
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I don't see a map?
Sure did a good job of quoting it, though. Remove that, by the way. Don't quote maps.
Thanks! This is what we ended up with in TNF's Under Red, White, And Blue political game, where we control America from it's inception and we can make divergences (I just made a pretty major one in game, to).OH WOW!!!!!
An Indianapolis Wank
That's one way to do it (I've looked into Indianapolis Wanks before, being an Indianapolis man myself)
I was actually the one to propose we don't have the capital in Washington at the Constitutional Convention
. RougeBeaver picked Indianapolis. I believe the reasoning for moving it out there was: "We don't want to show favoritism to any of the 14 colonies, and we also want to make it hard to capture for enemy forces." So, Indianapolis it was!
A couple things:
-What's up with outer Manchuria? Russia has the Amur state even though you said it was a Japanese ally.
-I would love to know how the Vinlandic Union was created; and why it didn't get Boston and New York.
Based (a bit loosely [1]) on H.R. Percy's "Letter From America", in the Sandra Ley-edited "Beyond Time" collection.
The French got into American colonization more energetically early on than OTL, (Louis XIV had one of his manic moods) and had a big enough population base by the mid-18th century to win the equivalent of the French and Indian wars: later, they absorbed the British colonies. French-Anglo conflict was long a serious internal problem, with separatist terrorism taking place as late as the 1970s, but rapid economic growth over the last four decades and some political compromises have greatly lessened tensions by 2010 (althogh visitors from the French-majority states grumble a great deal about everything being bilingual in their states while the "Onglays" can't be bothered to learn good French).
Although English-speakers only are a majority in six Eastern provinces, they are scattered far and wide: overall, they make up about 25% of the population of New France. Native Americans have generally done better than OTL, although the government has long tried to make good French-speaking Catholics of them: the black population is also somewhat better assimilated than in our US (slavery came to an end in the 1870s).
The Republic was the leader of a coalition of nations in a cold-war type situation versus the Collectivist Union, similar to Soviet Communism but bigger on anti-nationalism and Maoist popular mobilization. The Union has recently collapsed, rather more messily than OTLs Soviet Union, and political fragmentation and civil wars are still ongoing. Alaska is a Russian "Taiwan", a constituional monarchy rather more populous than OTLs state.
Important allies include China, a 40% Christian (more or less: there are some odd local offshoots) republic - a working democracy, but a protectionist, import-substituting, bureaucratic one whose "lite socialism" has left the country, like OTLs India, relatively poor. And then there is the empire of Japan, "bastards, but our bastards" while the conflict with the Collectivists was going on, but now increasingly a *fascistic embarrassment. The Republic of Great Britain has a relationship with New France as prickly as OTLs France has with the US, but is still an ally and militarily formidable. France is nowadays something a satellite of its overgrown offspring.
Central Europe is still scarred by the Short War of '77, which involved both chemical and radiological weapons. Post-war, the Allied Powers created the "MittelEuropa Recovery Zone" as a framework for the economic rebuilding of the region, which been renamed the "MittelEuropa Development Zone" as the local economy has picked up: the expansion of the union to the rest of western Europe has been often talked about, but the current free-trade regime seems sufficient to most without adding in a meddlesome Prague bureocracy.
Latin America is more closely economically tied to New France than it is with the US OTL - free-trade arrangements with fellow Catholics and Latins came into effect fairly early on. The Spanish Empire's efforts to devolve control in Latin America by creating sub-kingdoms within a overall Spanish Empire were only partly successful, with much of Latin America eventually going republican (or beyond, in the case of Gran Columbia, which is an anarcho-socialist republic).
Africa is largely post-colonial, only the Italians holding stubbornly onto their mineral-rich holdings. It is broken up into somewhat fewer and larger chunks than OTL, some pro-democracy (at least in theory), some still Collectivist, more English and Dutch and less French than OTL (French colonization efforts were confined here to North Africa and the western Sahel/Senegal area). South Africa is a loose federation of African and Dutch (well, at least Dutch-speaking-plurality) states. The continent is poor and messed up, but not as relatively badly off as OTL (cynics might argue that is because the locals haven't been independent as long as OTL).
The Arab Federation is more or less a democracy, although oddly the same party keeps winning the elections, although at least the Presidents don't overstay their terms. The south Indian republic is a prosperous democracy, and formed a keystone in the Indian Ocean portion of the democratic alliance's military plans: it still hosts a lot of British and New French troops, since the North Indian situation is to say the least fluid.
Democratic leftism is more anarchist, anti-state than OTL, and has even less patience with the Collectivists than our Social Democrats had with the Communists. Technology is a bit behind our TL, varying from late 1960s to mid-80s depending on the field: the first satellite wasn't put in orbit until 1983, and nobody has been to the moon.
Bruce
[1] Although we do have an unreliable narrator, there was a definite smell of "French America is greatly inferior to British America! The Commies are gonna do much, much better" about the story which I found a bit annoying.
The French got into American colonization more energetically early on than OTL, (Louis XIV had one of his manic moods) and had a big enough population base by the mid-18th century to win the equivalent of the French and Indian wars: later, they absorbed the British colonies. French-Anglo conflict was long a serious internal problem, with separatist terrorism taking place as late as the 1970s, but rapid economic growth over the last four decades and some political compromises have greatly lessened tensions by 2010 (althogh visitors from the French-majority states grumble a great deal about everything being bilingual in their states while the "Onglays" can't be bothered to learn good French).
Although English-speakers only are a majority in six Eastern provinces, they are scattered far and wide: overall, they make up about 25% of the population of New France. Native Americans have generally done better than OTL, although the government has long tried to make good French-speaking Catholics of them: the black population is also somewhat better assimilated than in our US (slavery came to an end in the 1870s).
The Republic was the leader of a coalition of nations in a cold-war type situation versus the Collectivist Union, similar to Soviet Communism but bigger on anti-nationalism and Maoist popular mobilization. The Union has recently collapsed, rather more messily than OTLs Soviet Union, and political fragmentation and civil wars are still ongoing. Alaska is a Russian "Taiwan", a constituional monarchy rather more populous than OTLs state.
Important allies include China, a 40% Christian (more or less: there are some odd local offshoots) republic - a working democracy, but a protectionist, import-substituting, bureaucratic one whose "lite socialism" has left the country, like OTLs India, relatively poor. And then there is the empire of Japan, "bastards, but our bastards" while the conflict with the Collectivists was going on, but now increasingly a *fascistic embarrassment. The Republic of Great Britain has a relationship with New France as prickly as OTLs France has with the US, but is still an ally and militarily formidable. France is nowadays something a satellite of its overgrown offspring.
Central Europe is still scarred by the Short War of '77, which involved both chemical and radiological weapons. Post-war, the Allied Powers created the "MittelEuropa Recovery Zone" as a framework for the economic rebuilding of the region, which been renamed the "MittelEuropa Development Zone" as the local economy has picked up: the expansion of the union to the rest of western Europe has been often talked about, but the current free-trade regime seems sufficient to most without adding in a meddlesome Prague bureocracy.
Latin America is more closely economically tied to New France than it is with the US OTL - free-trade arrangements with fellow Catholics and Latins came into effect fairly early on. The Spanish Empire's efforts to devolve control in Latin America by creating sub-kingdoms within a overall Spanish Empire were only partly successful, with much of Latin America eventually going republican (or beyond, in the case of Gran Columbia, which is an anarcho-socialist republic).
Africa is largely post-colonial, only the Italians holding stubbornly onto their mineral-rich holdings. It is broken up into somewhat fewer and larger chunks than OTL, some pro-democracy (at least in theory), some still Collectivist, more English and Dutch and less French than OTL (French colonization efforts were confined here to North Africa and the western Sahel/Senegal area). South Africa is a loose federation of African and Dutch (well, at least Dutch-speaking-plurality) states. The continent is poor and messed up, but not as relatively badly off as OTL (cynics might argue that is because the locals haven't been independent as long as OTL).
The Arab Federation is more or less a democracy, although oddly the same party keeps winning the elections, although at least the Presidents don't overstay their terms. The south Indian republic is a prosperous democracy, and formed a keystone in the Indian Ocean portion of the democratic alliance's military plans: it still hosts a lot of British and New French troops, since the North Indian situation is to say the least fluid.
Democratic leftism is more anarchist, anti-state than OTL, and has even less patience with the Collectivists than our Social Democrats had with the Communists. Technology is a bit behind our TL, varying from late 1960s to mid-80s depending on the field: the first satellite wasn't put in orbit until 1983, and nobody has been to the moon.
Bruce
[1] Although we do have an unreliable narrator, there was a definite smell of "French America is greatly inferior to British America! The Commies are gonna do much, much better" about the story which I found a bit annoying.
Good job Bruce, as usual!
You mislabelled Japan as China in your key, but that is overshadowed by this brilliant map and story in the first place.
Good show!
You mislabelled Japan as China in your key, but that is overshadowed by this brilliant map and story in the first place.
Good show!
The map is a bit to dark, but apart from that: what is the POD for the co-existence of Vinland and the USA?
Isn't Pinschinovski's TL FH? From the maps he's posted before I got the impression that the Vinlandic Union of America was a fascist union of East Canada, New England, and the American Midwest states. Given that they seem to be the 'bad guys', it's possible that the name is meant to suggest a Norse-themed neo-nazi influence.
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Thande
Donor
Seconded - some of the spellings are a bit odd (Arkan not Arakan, Cyrenica not Cyrenaica) - but that might be due to in-timeline variations. I particularly enjoyed Corsican Somalia
Susano
Banned
Seconded - some of the spellings are a bit odd (Arkan not Arakan, Cyrenica not Cyrenaica) - but that might be due to in-timeline variations. I particularly enjoyed Corsican Somalia
The Colonial Empire of gun-toting, government-uncontrollable hillbillies
Motherland and colony really fit to each other - Status