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Interesting, but even assuming that protestants and Catholics can reconcile their differences, their different attitudes towards the Reich and their different world views and economic perspectives, would they honestly accept the name of one of the old parties? In the Netherlands there used to be 3 main Christian parties (and the SGP but those are nuts), the CHU, the ARP and the KVP, the former two were Protestant and the latter Catholic.

I'll be honest with you, the only Dutch Prime Minister prior to Mark Rutte I really can say I know anything about is Abraham Kuyper back in the early 20th century, with his Anti-Revolutionary Party and all that, and the reason I ever got to know about him in the first place is because I have an unhealthy fascination with Calvinist theology, but as far as I understood it, his ARP and the Catholics apparently got on quite well?

However, Protestants and Catholics have different attitudes on social issues and especially economic issues, even in modern-day Germany the Catholic-dominated branches of the CDU are economically more left-wing/corporatist than the Protestant-dominated ones, which tend to be more right-wing/pro-free market.

Really? Wow. Seems like Max Weber was onto something...
 
I'll be honest with you, the only Dutch Prime Minister prior to Mark Rutte I really can say I know anything about is Abraham Kuyper back in the early 20th century, with his Anti-Revolutionary Party and all that, and the reason I ever got to know about him in the first place is because I have an unhealthy fascination with Calvinist theology, but as far as I understood it, his ARP and the Catholics apparently got on quite well?

Well, better than the CHU, I think. Dutch politics that early on are not my forte, but from what I understand, the Christian parties cooperated during the school conflict of the early 20th century and overall tended to cooperate against the liberals and the socialists, although the KVP cooperated with the socialists, because it was not too involved with economic issues.

If you have an obsession with Calvinism, check out the SGP, they make the Tea Party -or the Amish- look like progressives.

Really? Wow. Seems like Max Weber was onto something...

Yes, that Portestants are a heartless, greedy bunch :p
 
Jesus bloody Christ, those guys have representation in the House of Representatives?!

Holland uses at-large PR, so you only need slightly under a percent of the vote to gain representation.

No, what's truly weird about the SGP is they have the largest youth league of any Dutch party.
 
Part of this feels very AJND. I suppose it's coincidental though - sea level rises are going to have the effect of making people move away from the coasts, no matter the TL.

Yeah, it's a coincidental sort of thing. Population shifts due to changing climate isn't wholy unknown in AH and FH.
 
Wow, that must have been scary for the Americans.:eek:
Maybe... I will post a thing on the Forward Movement sooner or later... once I actually figure out how to do political parties/movements properly... Well, I do, I just cannot make logos properly at all:(.
 
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A huge turning point in the Alternate History, the United States suffers a coup d'etat in 1874!

Two questions here, really. Firstly, what do the coupmakers think they can achieve by launching an armed insurrection against the government that they cannot achieve by working within the system? And secondly, what military do they use to carry out a full-blown coup d'état in 1874?
 
Two questions here, really. Firstly, what do the coupmakers think they can achieve by launching an armed insurrection against the government that they cannot achieve by working within the system?
The current government was trying to sell out the American position, by giving away everything and leaving their new powerful place on the world stage. The Vice President was on their side anyway, so it's simple as forcing the president to resign and put your man in charge. however, since most of Congress is also a French-bribed puppet, it is best to get rid of them as well. Cue the coup! Also, the Vice President/Coup leader had big plans, which are hard to achieve with tons of rich guys running the country.:rolleyes:

And secondly, what military do they use to carry out a full-blown coup d'état in 1874?
Loyal regiments of the US Navy was most of it, but several Army groups occupied key areas during the coup.
 
An update to my C.E. 2068 series. I'll add logos once I get back to my desktop. I also need to update older ones as well, since I made changes to seat distribution. I'll knock out the boxes for the American minor parties, and then I'll move onto the UK and Chinese political parties.

Other entries:

American Moderate and Municipal Parties
Liberation Party

So, an explanation on the political spectrum in 2068:

While traditional spectrums usually show the division between the left and right, the primary political divide is now between Technocracy and Populism.

Technocracy has evolved as a term to indicate rule by experts. This can range from Democratic Technocracy, (essentially Representative Democracy), which is the position of parties such as the Chinese People's Party and the Canadian Progressive Party, to a belief in Managed Democracy, like that of the American Moderate Party, to Maximalist Technocracy like that of Germany's United Center and the UK's New Party. Technocratic governments are also usually associated with Post-Liberal economic beliefs.

Populism refers to rule either by or on behalf of the majority of the populace, and can be either Democratic or Authoritarian. Populism can range from the Minimalist Populism (also essentially Representative Democracy) of parties like the Chinese Worker's Party or the French National Party, to the Maximalist Populism of parties like the English Labour Party or the True Finns, to the Participism of the Municipalist Federation and the parties of the Fifth International. Populist economic beliefs range from Paleoliberalism and Paleoconservatism to Mutualism and Market Socialism to National Syndicalism and Synthesis Marxism.

Due to these modern divides, the terms Left-Wing and Right-Wing are outdated, and are usually used to refer the divide among Populists. Left-Populists are usually Techno-Progressive and Liberal on social issues, while Right-Populists usually adhere to Bio-Conservatism or Deep Ecology, and are more Conservative on social issues. In addition, Left-Populists are usually Alter-Globalist, while Right-Populists (with the exception of the Muncipalists) are usually Nationalists. Centrism is exclusively used to refer to Post-Liberal parties, with views on social and synthetic issues differing from party to party.

Another important divide is between Post-Liberalism and Paleoliberalism. Post-Liberalism is the evolution of Neo-Liberalism, and holds that the sole responsibility of the state is to facilitate the growth of a country's total Utility. In the Post-Liberal worldview, the state has no obligation to individual rights or welfare, but only to society's prosperity as a whole. To this end, the role of the state is to facilitate markets as, in the Post-Liberal view, only markets can increase utility efficiently. To a Post-Liberal, not only should the state get out of the way of markets and businesses, they should also provide services to businesses (i.e., infrastructure, maintaining stable currencies, maintaining law and order, keeping national databases to allow for targeted marketing, etc...) In essence, Post-Liberalism reaches the same conclusion on the role of the state as Objectivist Minarchism, although for entirely different reasons.

Paleoliberalism, on the other hand, is essentially modern Social Liberalism, mated with Post-Keynesian economic beliefs.

I'll talk more about other ideologies in future updates.

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Fascinating. I would be a Liberationist (Liberal? Libertarian?). I love the big changes to politics you've done here.

But, Marxism, Far-Right?

Just the Right Caucus, which is mainly made up of Religious Communists like the USA's Faith party and the parties associated with the New Muslim Brotherhood, and Nationalist Communists like the National Communist Party of Japan and the Russian National Bolshevik Party (Reformed). The mainstream current of Synthesis Marxism is considered Left-Wing.

Anyways, like I said before, this new political spectrum doesn't really place economics on a left-right spectrum, and left vs. right is mainly used to refer to cultural and social issues.

EDIT: Also, the denonym for a member of the US Liberationist party would be a Libertarian, especially as the remainder of the Right-Libertarian current in the U.S. have either merged with the Post-Liberals, or have joined with the Left or the Transhumanists.
 
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Just the Right Caucus, which is mainly made up of Religious Communists like the USA's Faith party and the parties associated with the New Muslim Brotherhood, and Nationalist Communists like the National Communist Party of Japan and the Russian National Bolshevik Party (Reformed). The mainstream current of Synthesis Marxism is considered Left-Wing.

Anyways, like I said before, this new political spectrum doesn't really place economics on a left-right spectrum, and left vs. right is mainly used to refer to cultural and social issues.

I think you underestimate inertia here regarding definition of left and right.

Oh and it's spelled "Labour" in your reference to the English Labor Party.
 
I think you underestimate inertia here regarding definition of left and right.

Oh and it's spelled "Labour" in your reference to the English Labor Party.

Noted, on both counts. The issue is, with the traditional spectrum, Post-Liberal parties would be Right-Wing, and everything else would range from Center to Left.

Just think of the spectrum like the political compass but mirrored and rotated 90 degrees.
 
Noted, on both counts. The issue is, with the traditional spectrum, Post-Liberal parties would be Right-Wing, and everything else would range from Center to Left.

Just think of the spectrum like the political compass but mirrored and rotated 90 degrees.

Alright. I would have expected a redefinition of what the center meant instead, but it's your TL.

And what is the size of the UK?
 
Alright. I would have expected a redefinition of what the center meant instead, but it's your TL.

And what is the size of the UK?

Well, the center has been redefined, namely by Centrist Neo-Liberal parties pushing their policies towards Post-Liberalism.

Also, Scotland left the UK, but North Ireland and Wales are still hanging on, if just barely.
 
Well, winning 301 seats then - I don't think they'd even stand in that many, that's not how they operated.

The seats are mostly the very malapportioned constituencies. But that also means a small swing by the SDP can kick them out.
 
Well, the center has been redefined, namely by Centrist Neo-Liberal parties pushing their policies towards Post-Liberalism.

Also, Scotland left the UK, but North Ireland and Wales are still hanging on, if just barely.

OK.

So, why is the party called the English Labour Party? Was there a split between it and the Welsh Labour Party (new version of Clear Red Water gone too far?) and NI Labour?
 
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