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  1. A better Ottoman Navy for WW1

    The Ottomans’ problem IOTL was not lack of warships; ship for ship they had larger and more modern ships than the Greeks, Averoff excepted. The problem was a lack of meritocracy in the officer corps and of training in the crews. Without fixing that, even have dreadnoughts, they will lose or at...

  2. L’Aigle Triomphant: A Napoleonic Victory TL

    The Greek leaders IOTL had a powerful strain of democratic self-rule (which in effect many of them interpreted as the license to rule as they saw fit without having a Sultan interfering, but still...) but they were realistic enough to understand two things: a) in a monarchic Europe, a republic...

  3. Of lost monkeys and broken vehicles

    Well, that depends. On the one hand there are more points of friction in foreign politics, and TTL Greece looms larger in the Kremlin‘s analysis as a dangerous British puppet, but otoh this is a Greece that is national-bourgeois rather than monarch-fascist, as the communists would call it. The...

  4. Of lost monkeys and broken vehicles

    This. Even IOTL, when Turkey was left unscathed from WW2 and Greece went through a hellish decade, Greece' economy was consistently ca 60% of the Turkish one in GDP post-war, and that leaves aside the per capita comparison, which was massively in Greece's favour until 2010. ITTL, Greece has many...

  5. Of lost monkeys and broken vehicles

    Bulgaria was in many ways a special case though: in the 1920s, for a time, the Bulgarian CP was the strongest in the Balkans, and it could still count on men like Dimitrov who had Stalin's ear. And Bulgarian Russophilia was well known even during WW2; let's remember that Bulgaria did not...

  6. The eagle's left head

    Hellas is not anachronistic: the name was still current as a geographical term, and up to the late 12th century Hellas was still a theme with its own governor, often combined with the Peloponnese. The problem here is rather that Hellas designated Central Greece + Thessaly, and not the...

  7. Of lost monkeys and broken vehicles

    Unless Austria becomes part of a south German federation with Bavaria and Baden-Wurtemberg, then it won't be allowed to be part of a Germany. Just like IOTL, there is enough of a distinct Austrian identity to make it the basis of separate nationhood, and like IOTL it will have been strengthened...

  8. The eagle's left head

    From personal experience, many of the under-40s in Germany, Austria, France, and the Netherlands would consider themselves as Europeans alongside, or even before, their national identity. Although this feeling has taken a blow with the constant crisis of the past decade or so. OTOH I know very...

  9. Of lost monkeys and broken vehicles

    I disagree here. Ecumenical influence on the Pope's level is way beyond the POD of TTL, you would have to go back to Byzantine times. IOTL, even the pan-Balkan Orthodox pretensions of the Patriarchate of Constantinople were dead by 1910 due to the rise of nationalism, and its influence in the...

  10. Of lost monkeys and broken vehicles

    This is indeed likely. I have argued before that due to Soviet opposition, Greece will very likely not get nearly what it thinks it deserves from the peace settlement, leading to a 'mutilated victory' feeling (and intensely anti-Soviet feelings). Pangalos was very much a political animal, and...

  11. Pride Goes Before a Fall: A Revolutionary Greece Timeline

    A One Year War also indicates a certain level of resilience on both sides, and especially for Greece that would be a big departure from OTL

  12. Ottoman-Bulgarian-Albanian alliance in the Second Balkan War

    With what fleet? The Ottoman fleet was in no shape to face the Greek fleet, as proven twice during the First Balkan War. And they lost effective control of Crete in 1897, when they had actually won a war against Greece and could have marched onto Athens. In this scenario, they might aim for some...

  13. Of lost monkeys and broken vehicles

    Oh yes, how much, and to whom. If I were a Turkish leader in this war, and defeat stared me in the face, I would agree ceding some remote, underpopulated, and economically insignificant mountain provinces in the northeast to Uncle Joe (not the full extent of the Soviet demands, of course, but...

  14. Of lost monkeys and broken vehicles

    Hmmm, the discussion reminds me a bit of the discussions taking place among Greeks during WW2, when pretty much everyone was certain that Greece's contributions and sacrifices would inevitably mean that her legitimate demands would be accepted post-war, and the only thing was to define these...

  15. The eagle's left head

    Sicily is becoming crowded, and the plot thickens. Love the little OTL analogy of the name being misinterpreted as a title...

  16. Of lost monkeys and broken vehicles

    I guess the US will replace the UK as Greece's not-so-informal patron earlier ITTL, but the relationship will be a much more balanced one than IOTL. We will probably see even greater levels of cultural Americanomania in Greece than the OTL 1950s, but also (quite a departure from OTL) a reverse...

  17. Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

    Plus the fact that Aromanians in Greece tend to be fervently Greek and among the champions of Greek nationalism. And there were many Aromanian Greek politicians to whom such thoughts were anathema. Heck, George Averoff (who sponsored the namesake cruiser) was an Aromanian. The first puppet prime...

  18. Of lost monkeys and broken vehicles

    That was already the case IOTL, followed by a devastating four-year civil war right after. And OTL Greece had a major population boom post-war. ITTL there will be parts of the country left unoccupied, infrastructure investments by the Allies, no civil war, more territory so less emigration...

  19. Of lost monkeys and broken vehicles

    If Turkey is 'cut down to size' as some commenters have said, I am not at all sure that what remains will be so much of a threat, or that ATL Turkey will have the demographic explosion of OTL. Its economy will be weaker, the best agricultural land will be in Greek hands, it will face massive...

  20. Essai en Guerre: an FFO-inspired TL

    It was a really interesting story, thanks for letting us enjoy it.
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