No, she's going to Hungary.I sort of assumed Mary of Austria would be his wife TTL, but I could be wrong...
No, she's going to Hungary.I sort of assumed Mary of Austria would be his wife TTL, but I could be wrong...
Pushed it back to 1533, but France has Salic law. She's only heiress to Brittany, not to France as a whole. And she's too young for Edmund II or any of her French uncles, but too old for their kids... William seemed like a decent shout for her, given all of that. I mean, I suppose she could marry into Denmark or something, but then I need another match for Louise...Surely she's too high for him? Also, you should push her birth back a year or two. I find it highly unlikely that she'd be born the same year her dad would be allowed to consummate his marriage.
At least one Tudor had to make an impulsive love match 🤷Also, is this supposed to be the consequence of a later Pavia?
James V's bastard? Why?
So is she her dad's only child? Francis I joined the French and Breton succession IOTL. Even if he didn't for some reason ITTL, she would marry a French prince of the blood.Pushed it back to 1533, but France has Salic law. She's only heiress to Brittany, not to France as a whole. And she's too young for Edmund II or any of her French uncles, but too old for their kids... William seemed like a decent shout for her, given all of that. I mean, I suppose she could marry into Denmark or something, but then I need another match for Louise...
Not until 1534, IIRC. I don't see the Bretons ratifying that if Francis has a child, even if it is a girl... and yes, she is his only child.So is she her dad's only child? Francis I joined the French and Breton succession IOTL. Even if he didn't for some reason ITTL, she would marry a prince of the blood.
I suppose ITTL England wages war and successfully gets Brittany à la Calais?Francis I joined the French and Breton succession IOTL
It was in 1532. And see the second part of my comment.Not until 1534, IIRC. I don't see the Bretons ratifying that if Francis has a child, even if it is a girl... and yes, she is his only child.
Well, in that case, I'm putting Charlotte's birthday back to 1532 - she can be early. And I see your point, but I think she's just rather between generations...It was in 1532. And see the second part of my comment.
The only way I can see her marrying in England is if they beat France in a war.Well, in that case, I'm putting Charlotte's birthday back to 1532 - she can be early. And I see your point, but I think she's just rather between generations...
Francois I actually made it so that Brittany was inseparable from the French crown sometime in the early 1530s IOTL and I see no reason why he wouldn’t do that ITTL too - even still Charlotte is a daughter of France and no daughter of France would marry a second son who is not also a sovereign rulerPushed it back to 1533, but France has Salic law. She's only heiress to Brittany, not to France as a whole. And she's too young for Edmund II or any of her French uncles, but too old for their kids... William seemed like a decent shout for her, given all of that. I mean, I suppose she could marry into Denmark or something, but then I need another match for Louise...
except Cat showed no "desire" to hang on to power. In her native Portugal she served as regent and then handed over power when she had tobut I thought lower first wife chosen during the Catherine of Braganza regency to try and maintain power, high born second wife chosen by the son.
Per your tree, she has two brothers. One who dies in 1718, and one who hangs on until '26. She's likely married after the birth of the "spare" in 1713. Portugal is too big an age gap for her to be plausibly considered. Austria or Spain (as second wife to Joseph I, Karl VI or Felipe V) makes more sense. And it brings England a potentially valuable partner if they make being granted the Asiento conditional of the marriage contract. With Austria they get the Austrian Netherlands as a trading partner, which, while they were nowhere near their "golden age" levels, was still "important". Especially if Joseph I survived and managed to implement his roads-and-rivers plan.I pictured her being considered for higher matches (Spain, Portugal, Austria, ect., ending on Hanover), but married off to the Duke of York upon the death of her only brother in 1718.
only way the Ansbach marriage is happening is if Karoline is already married to either Karl VI or Felipe V (both were considered OTL). The only way for the latter- though- is to remove Madame de Maintenon's blocking of Karoline's brother's attempt to marry into the French royal family. As to the whole "arranged" marriage part, Georg I was explicitly against an "unseen bride" and packed his son and heir off around Germany to scout his potential bride himself. Also, Georg II didn't have mistresses until after Karoline died. It was a kneejerk reaction to his parents' own marital infidelities.I'm assuming the Ansbach marriage doesn't end up happening, and George is initially betrothed to his older English cousin (allowing him to enjoy his mistresses due to the age gap), before the Princess Royale is wedded off to York in an effort to consolidate her claim. Amalia Louise takes her sister's place, and they're married when she turns 14.
Maria TheresiaWhich one?
Franz Joseph's brother (both Max in Mexico and Pedro II were in favour of this match)Which Karl Ludwig? I am awful at post 18th Century Habsburgs....
probably not very. Maria Pia's marriage to Portugal (which I'm guessing is the "impetus" for this) was a last minute thing (Pedro V refused her because he wanted an Austrian archduchess, a princess of Parma (i.e. granddaughter of Charles X) or a Russian grand duchess (not sure how that would've worked @Valena ; Portuguese Pedro was a lot closer to D. Miguel's "idea" of a king than the Coburgs liked*) not some "nobody from Savoy**". It was only his death that allowed the marriage between Maria Pia and D. Luiz to go through.Forgot to type it, but this Marie Clotilde is the daughter of Victor Emmanuel II. IDK how realistic that would be.
were the Netherlands due to be somewhere else if he didn't marry Isabella of Austria? He'd likely still wind up there. As for brides, not marrying an archduchess (maybe someone from Mecklenburg or Brunswick?) might actually "help" not harm. Not because of any reason than it avoids giving the convenient bogeyman of an imperial brother-in-law. And potentially marrying an older bride means there's no "in" for Sigbrit and Dyveke to get their hooks into him (or at least, mitigate their influence somewhat).except without the Netherlands to run to.
That's a fair assessment - I assumed she might be more protective over her only child.except Cat showed no "desire" to hang on to power. In her native Portugal she served as regent and then handed over power when she had to
That was a screw up on my end. I meant to kill him off earlier - that's been fixed. Joseph I died when she was 13 so I kind of don't think they'd be a good match age wise, Charles VI married when she was 10 and while the betrothal could happen, I'm not sure, and I think she's too young for Philip V. But I might be wrong.Per your tree, she has two brothers. One who dies in 1718, and one who hangs on until '26. She's likely married after the birth of the "spare" in 1713. Portugal is too big an age gap for her to be plausibly considered. Austria or Spain (as second wife to Joseph I, Karl VI or Felipe V) makes more sense. And it brings England a potentially valuable partner if they make being granted the Asiento conditional of the marriage contract. With Austria they get the Austrian Netherlands as a trading partner, which, while they were nowhere near their "golden age" levels, was still "important". Especially if Joseph I survived and managed to implement his roads-and-rivers plan.
only way the Ansbach marriage is happening is if Karoline is already married to either Karl VI or Felipe V (both were considered OTL). The only way for the latter- though- is to remove Madame de Maintenon's blocking of Karoline's brother's attempt to marry into the French royal family. As to the whole "arranged" marriage part, Georg I was explicitly against an "unseen bride" and packed his son and heir off around Germany to scout his potential bride himself. Also, Georg II didn't have mistresses until after Karoline died. It was a kneejerk reaction to his parents' own marital infidelities.
That's as OOC as they come, I'm with Kellan on this. Also, I don't see Catherine being like her mom.I considered that, but I thought lower first wife chosen during the Catherine of Braganza regency to try and maintain power, high born second wife chosen by the son.
she'd be 16 when Felipe married Isabel Farnese. Don't know how that's too young.I'm not sure, and I think she's too young for Philip V. But I might be wrong.
Originally Karl VI was engaged to two of Catherine's nieces (Teresa Maria (1696-1704) then Francisca Josepha (b.1699)) before Leopold I died. It was only in 1706/1707 that Joseph decided that a German match might be more useful*. Roughly the same time that the negotiations started to marry Maria Anna of Austria to Joao V of Portugal**.Charles VI married when she was 10 and while the betrothal could happen,
pretty much only possible if Lajos II dies in infancy (IMO). Hungary would be a far more important match to shore up (as indicated by the fact that Max was willing to marry Anna himself if his grandsons proved unavailable/unwilling) than Denmark.I sort of assumed Mary of Austria would be his wife TTL, but I could be wrong...
so who do Maria and Catalina of Austria marry?3b) Bianca (1503-1577) m. John III (1502-1557) King of Portugal
4b) Anne (1507-1557) m. a) Louis II (1506-1526) King of Hungary, b) James V (1512-1542) King of Scotland