List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II
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Scenario: Louis XII lives 10 years longer.
Louis XII, King of France (b.1462: d.1525) m. Jeanne, Princess of France (b.1464: d.1505) (a) -annulled 1498-, Anne I, Duchess of Brittany (b.1477: d.1514) (b), Mary Tudor, Princess of England (b.1496: d.1532) (c)
Louis XII, King of France (b.1462: d.1525) m. Jeanne, Princess of France (b.1464: d.1505) (a) -annulled 1498-, Anne I, Duchess of Brittany (b.1477: d.1514) (b), Mary Tudor, Princess of England (b.1496: d.1532) (c)
1b) Claude I, Duchess of Brittany (b.1499: d.1527) m. Francois, Duke of Valois, Count of Angouleme (b.1494: d.1547) (a)
1a) Louise of Angouleme (b.1515: d.1518)
2a) Charlotte of Angouleme (b.1516: d.1560) m. Henri II, King of Navarre (b.1503: d.1555) (a)
1a) Stillborn Son (c.1532)
2a) Henri III, King of Navarre (b.1535: d.1579) m. Jeanne I, Duchess of Brittany (b.1550: d.1602) (a)
- had no issue
3a) Jean, Prince of Navarre (b.1537: d.1595) m. Catherine of Nassau-Dillenburg (b.1543: d.1624) (a)
- had no issue
4a) Marie, Princess of Navarre (b.1538: d.1538)
5a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1542)
6a) Anne, Prince of Navarre (b.1545: d.1580) m. William the Silent, Prince of Orange (b.1533: d.1584) (a)
1a) Julianne of Nassau, Queen of Navarre (b.1573)
2a) Claudia of Nassau (b.1575)
3a) Charlotte of Nassau (b.1578)
4a) Emilia Louise of Nassau (b.1580)
7a) Stillborn Son (c.1546)
8a) Catherine, Princess of Navarre (b.1547: d.1553)
9a) Stillborn Son (c.1548)
3a) Francis III, Duke of Brittany (b.1518: d.1551) m. Anna of Lorraine (b.1522: d.1568) (a)
1a) Anne II, Duchess of Brittany (b.1546: d.1572) m. Louis XIII, King of France (b.1520: d.1579) (a)
- had no issue
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1547)
3a) Jeanne I, Duchess of Brittany (b.1550: d.1602) m. Henri III, King of Navarre (b.1535: d.1579) (a), Maximilian III, Archduke of Austria (b.1558: d.1618) (b)
1a) Stillborn Son (c.1566)
2a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1572)
3a) Miscarriage (c.1574)
4a) Marguerite of Brittany (b.1577: d.1578)
5a) Stillborn Son (c.1579)
6b) Stillborn Daughter (c.1582)
7b) Francis IV, Duke of Brittany (b.1585)
8b) Stillborn Daughter (c.1587)
4a) Louis of Angouleme, Count of Auvergne (b.1519: d.1545) m. Catherine de Medici, Countess of Auvergne (b.1519: d.1589) (a)
1a) Francois, Count of Auvergne (b.1543: d.1600) m. Dorothea of Lorraine (b.1545: d.1621) (a)
- had no issue
2a) Jeanne of Angouleme (b.1545: d.1610) m. Charles III, Duke of Lorraine (b.1543: d.1608) (a)
1a) Francis II, Duke of Lorraine (b.1567)
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1570)
3a) Henri of Angouleme (b.1546: d.1570) m. Charlotte of Bourbon (c.1546/7: d.1598) (a)
1a) Marie, Countess of Auvergne (b.1568)
5a) Madeleine of Angouleme (b.1520: d.1543) m. John Stewart, Duke of Albany (b.1482: d.1536) (a)
- had no issue
6a) Catherine of Angouleme (b.1522: d.1575) m. Francesco III Sforza, Duke of Milan (b.1528: d.1556) (a) -son of Francesco II Sforza and Marguerite d'Angouleme-
1a) Ludovico II Sforza, Duke of Milan (b.1546: d.1600) m. Anne Stewart, Princess of Scotland (b.1540: d.1569) (a), Helen Stewart (b.1560: d.1599) (b)
1a) Pietro Sforza, Duke of Milan (b.1577)
2a) Francesco Sforza (b.1586)
2a) Clara Maria Sforza (b.1549)
3a) Luis Sforza, Marquis of Tortona (b.1552)
7a) Henri of Angouleme (b.1525: d.1528)
8a) Jeanne of Angouleme (b.1527: d.1567)
- never married, had no issue
2b) Stillborn Son (c.1501)
3b) Stillborn Son (c.1503/7)
4b) Renee, Princess of France (b.1510: d.1569) m. James V, King of Scotland (b.1512: d.1542) (a)
1a) Stillborn Son (c.1530)
2a) James VI, King of Scotland (b.1533: d.1599) m. Elizabeth I, Queen of England and Ireland (b.1533: d.1603) (a)
1a) James I, King of England, Ireland and Scotland (b.1553)
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1555)
3a) John Stewart, Duke of York (b.1557: d.1567)
4a) Stillborn Son (c.1558)
5a) Margaret Stewart, Princess of England, Ireland and Scotland (b.1562)
6a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1566)
3a) Louis Stewart, Duke of Ross (b.1535: d.1564) p/m. Alice Hepburn (c.1540: d.1599) (a)
1a) Helen Stewart (b.1560: d.1599) m. Ludovico II Sforza, Duke of Milan (b.1546: d.1600) (a)
- had issue
4a) Stillborn Son (c.1537)
5a) Anne Stewart, Princess of Scotland (b.1540: d.1569) m. Edward VI, King of England and Ireland (b.1537: d.1553) (a), Ludovico II Sforza, Duke of Milan (b.1546: d.1600) (b)
- had no issue by either husband
6a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1542)
5b) Stillborn Son (c.1513)
6c) Elisabeth, Princess of France (b.1517: d.1529)
7c) Stillborn Daughter (c.1519)
8c) Louis XIII, King of France (b.1520: d.1579) m. Isabella Jagiellon, Princess of France (b.1519: d.1559) (a), Anne II, Duchess of Brittany (b.1546: d.1572) (b), Elisabeth, Archduchess of Austria (b.1554: d.1592) (c)
1a) Marguerite, Princess of France (b.1538)
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1542)
3a) Helene, Princess of France (b.1545)
4a) Francis, Dauphin of France (b.1546: d.1550)
5a) Stillborn Son (c.1550)
6a) Anne, Princess of France (b.1552)
7a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1555)
8a) Jeanne, Princess of France (b.1558)
- had no issue by second wife
9c) Louis XIV, King of France (b.1576)
9c) Stillborn Son (c.1523)
@Tudorfan and I came up with this last night.
Plague decimates the Tudors, leaving Mary Queen by 1513. Richard de La Pole takes advantage of the chaos.
Richard IV (1480-1536) m. Mary, Queen of England (1496-1533)
1) Edmund, Prince of Wales (b.1515) m. Maria of Viseu (b.1521)
2) Elizabeth, Duchess of Lorraine (b.1517) m. Francis of Lorraine (b.1517)
3) William, Duke of York (b.1518) m. Amalia of Cleves (b.1517)
4) Cecily (1519-1521)
5) Miscarriage (1520)
6) Richard, Duke of Suffolk (b.1522) m Catherine Willoughby (b.1519)
7) Anne (b. 1523) m. Francis II of France (b.1518)
8) Katherine (1525-1526)
Plague decimates the Tudors, leaving Mary Queen by 1513. Richard de La Pole takes advantage of the chaos.
Richard IV (1480-1536) m. Mary, Queen of England (1496-1533)
1) Edmund, Prince of Wales (b.1515) m. Maria of Viseu (b.1521)
2) Elizabeth, Duchess of Lorraine (b.1517) m. Francis of Lorraine (b.1517)
3) William, Duke of York (b.1518) m. Amalia of Cleves (b.1517)
4) Cecily (1519-1521)
5) Miscarriage (1520)
6) Richard, Duke of Suffolk (b.1522) m Catherine Willoughby (b.1519)
7) Anne (b. 1523) m. Francis II of France (b.1518)
8) Katherine (1525-1526)
I assume that Margaret is among the dead as well? After all, she had seniority over Mary Tudor the Elder, which was why her OTL great grandson became King of England over Mary's line upon Elizabeth I's death in 1603.
On the subject of this, I have officially started family tree-ing one of my own for a story around this very idea too, to be published on here once Heir to Rule is done.
As ever, this is a pairing I'm toying with trying.
James V (1512-1542) m 1533 Catherine de Medici (1519-1566)
1) James, Duke of Rothesay (b.1536) m. Renata of Lorraine (b.1544)
2) Margaret (1537-1544)
3) Alexander, Duke of Albany, Count of Auvergne (b.1539) m Francoise de Bourbon (b.1539)
4) Catherine (b.1540) m Edward VI (b.1537)
5) William (1541-42)
6) Anne (b.1543) m. Albert of Saxony (b.1545)
James V (1512-1542) m 1533 Catherine de Medici (1519-1566)
1) James, Duke of Rothesay (b.1536) m. Renata of Lorraine (b.1544)
2) Margaret (1537-1544)
3) Alexander, Duke of Albany, Count of Auvergne (b.1539) m Francoise de Bourbon (b.1539)
4) Catherine (b.1540) m Edward VI (b.1537)
5) William (1541-42)
6) Anne (b.1543) m. Albert of Saxony (b.1545)
An idea @BlueFlowwer and I were discussing.
Louis XII of France (b. 1462) m. a) Anne, Duchess of Brittany (b. 1477, d. 1504); b) Catherine of Aragon (b. 1485) [1]
[1] Arthur lives a little longer, resulting in Catherine having a stillborn baby by him. This leads to her not marrying Henry.
[2] Chosen for her claim to Naples.
[3] Son of Henry VIII and Eleanor of Austria.
Louis XII of France (b. 1462) m. a) Anne, Duchess of Brittany (b. 1477, d. 1504); b) Catherine of Aragon (b. 1485) [1]
- a) Claude of France (b. 1499, d. 1504)
- b) Charles, Dauphin of France (b. 1506) m. Anne de Laval (b. 1505) [2]
- b) Anne of France (b. 1508) m. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500)
- b) Marie of France (b. 1511) m. James V of Scotland (b. 1512)
- b) Isabelle of France (b. 1514) m. Henry IX of England (b. 1515) [3]
- b) Jean, Duke of Orléans [from 1534 Duke of Milan] (b. 1515) m. Isabella Jagiellon (b. 1519)
- b) Catherine of France (b. 1517) m. François I of Lorraine (b. 1517)
[1] Arthur lives a little longer, resulting in Catherine having a stillborn baby by him. This leads to her not marrying Henry.
[2] Chosen for her claim to Naples.
[3] Son of Henry VIII and Eleanor of Austria.
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Nice! I’ve often thought Catherine would make a good match for James if Henri of Orléans died around 1536/1537
Madeleine of Valois died in infancy, James V lived two extra decades.
James V of Scotland (1512-1562) m. a) Marie of Bourbon (1515-1538), b) Mary of Guise (1515-1542), c) Mary I of England (1516-1558)
1a) Margaret (1538-1603) m. Eric XIV of Sweden (1533-1577)
2b) James VI of Scotland (1540-1595) m. Barbara of Austria (1539-1572)
3b) Mary (1542-1597) m. a) Francis II of France (1544-1560), b) Alfonso II d'Este (1533-1597)
4c) Katherine I of England (1555-1622) m. a) Ernest of Austria (1553-1595), b) Ludovic Stewart (1574-1624)
James V of Scotland (1512-1562) m. a) Marie of Bourbon (1515-1538), b) Mary of Guise (1515-1542), c) Mary I of England (1516-1558)
1a) Margaret (1538-1603) m. Eric XIV of Sweden (1533-1577)
2b) James VI of Scotland (1540-1595) m. Barbara of Austria (1539-1572)
3b) Mary (1542-1597) m. a) Francis II of France (1544-1560), b) Alfonso II d'Este (1533-1597)
4c) Katherine I of England (1555-1622) m. a) Ernest of Austria (1553-1595), b) Ludovic Stewart (1574-1624)
Scenario: The children of Eleanor Cobham.
Humphrey of Lancaster, Duke of Gloucester (b.1390: d.1454) m. Jacqueline, Countess of Hainaut (b.1401: d.1436) (a) -annulled 1428-, Eleanor Cobham (c.1400: d.1436) (b), Margaret of Baden (b.1431: d.1457) (c)
Humphrey of Lancaster, Duke of Gloucester (b.1390: d.1454) m. Jacqueline, Countess of Hainaut (b.1401: d.1436) (a) -annulled 1428-, Eleanor Cobham (c.1400: d.1436) (b), Margaret of Baden (b.1431: d.1457) (c)
1b) Alice of Lancaster (b.1436: d.1502) m. Frederick III, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1415: d.1492) (a)
1a) Agnes of Austria (b.1452: d.1500) m. Edward IV, King of England (b.1453: d.1478) (a)
1a) William III, King of England (b.1473)
2a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1475)
3a) Thomas of Lancaster, Duke of Bedford (b.1477)
4a) Mary of Lancaster, Princess of England (b.1478)
2a) Eleanor of Austria (b.1455: d.1456)
3a) Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1457: d.1512) m. Mary I, Duchess of Burgundy (b.1457: d.1492) (a), Elisabeth of Bavaria (b.1478: d.1504) (b)
1a) Elisabeth of Austria (b.1479: d.1484)
2a) Philip of Austria (b.1481: d.1482)
3a) Francis I, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1484)
4a) Maximilian, Archduke of Austria (b.1486)
5a) Stillborn Son (c.1490)
6a) Catherine of Austria (b.1492)
7b) Stillborn Son (c.1497)
4a) Catherine of Austria (b.1460: d.1510) m. John I Albert Jaigellon, King of Poland (b.1459: d.1501) (a)
- had no issue
5a) Ernest of Austria (b.1464: d.1474)
6a) Anna of Austria (b.1469: d.1530) m. William III, Landgrave of Hesse (b.1471: d.1500) (a), Charles III, Duke of Savoy (b.1486: d.1556) (b)
1b) Charlotte of Savoy (b.1502)
2b) Anne of Savoy (b.1503)
3b) Frederick I, Duke of Savoy (b.1504)
4b) Bona of Savoy (b.1505)
5b) Thomas of Savoy (b.1506: d.1515)
6b) Francis Philibert of Savoy (b.1508)
7b) Stillborn Son (c.1509)
8b) Francis of Savoy (b.1510: d.1513)
9b) Margaret of Savoy (b.1512)
7a) Margaret of Austria (b.1472: d.1498) m. Frederick III, Elector of Saxony (b.1463: d.1525) (a)
1a) Ursula of Saxony (b.1490)
2a) Anne of Saxony (b.1495)
2b) Henry of Lancaster, Duke of Gloucester (b.1436: d.1460) m. Anne of York (b.1439: d.1476) (a)
1a) Arthur of Lancaster, Duke of Gloucester (b.1459: d.1519) m. Anne Neville (b.1456: d.1486) (a), Bianca Maria Sforza (b.1472: d.1510) (b)
1a) Miscarriage (c.1455)
2a) Eleanor of Lancaster (b.1478)
3a) Stillborn Son (c.1480)
4a) Miscarriage (c.1482)
5b) Stillborn Son (c.1492)
6b) Philippa of Lancaster (b.1495)
7b) Miscarriage (c.1500)
2a) Edward of Lancaster, Earl of Cambridge (b.1460: d.1502) m. Joan Stewart, Princess of Scotland (b.1479: d.1503) (a)
1a) Henry of Lancaster, Duke of Gloucester (b.1497)
2a) Sir Robert of Lancaster (b.1499)
3a) James of Lancaster (b.1500: d.1501)
Very interesting! Does Henry V keep the throne then? Since I think Arthur of Lancaster would be chosen over Henry Tudor, but you have him as a Duke not a King.