Entryism in both parties, maybe then a merger or atleast a secret merger. A co-opting of the American Legion would probably occur making them into an American Stalhelm/Freikorp
Fascist Party/Paramilitary Names
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Also each state would have a paramilitary and they would all be named after a sports team from the state, in a really perverse and also terrifying way
To get back to the OP.
I don't know what the name would be, but if some kind of Fascist Movement emerged out of Waspy Northerners, it would be really interesting.
The South gets a bad wrap when the only reason why the rest of the country doesn't get lumped in with them (on racism) is probably as much to do with historiography as anything else.
I don't know what the name would be, but if some kind of Fascist Movement emerged out of Waspy Northerners, it would be really interesting.
The South gets a bad wrap when the only reason why the rest of the country doesn't get lumped in with them (on racism) is probably as much to do with historiography as anything else.
HP Lovecraft mentioned "socialist fascism" in several stories as the system of advanced (but not evil) races, just saying. I had an idea that never got off the ground where he goes into the army (as he almost did in OTL), ends up overseas, and spins time as a war correspondent into Rhode Island and then national politics. Because the KKK is overdone in my opinion the paramilitary arm is a revived Knights of the Golden Circle (a northern movement in its first iteration) spun into a King in Yellow thing. Think yellow and red instead of white and red, and golden eyes wide shut masks instead of hoods.
For what it's worth, that sounds like a really cool idea.
Though I don't know how Lovecraft functions in politics, he was a shut-in's shut-in.
Lovecraft was incredibly racist. He said some absolutely shocking and appalling things. The name of Lovecraft's cat (Which I can't repeat, look it up) was one of the most absurdly racist things I've ever heard in my life.
That's a fairly common misconception. He wasn't public, it's true, but he has a wide network of correspondence and a robust circle of friends he clearly cared for. I couldn't see him giving much in the way of public speeches but written op-eds in newspapers would definitely be his speed, and some sort of radio address might not be out of the question. Aside from providing necessary experience for political life time in the army would mainly serve to bring him out of his shell.
To his credit he did mellow somewhat as he matured. While "racist=fascist" is reductionist in the extreme, a waspy technocratic fascist movement couldn't have a better figurehead if his material situation was a bit more stable.
It's really not hard to see the Progressive Party (1912) platform developing into a sort of Americanized Fascism, particularly given Roosevelt's attitudes towards war and immigrants. We should remember that despite being defined chiefly by anticommunism and having allied with conservative forces in Europe, fascism originated as an offshoot from disaffected socialists (like Mussolini himself), and 1910s American Progressives, while center-left in most ways, were still flirting with nativism and eugenics (though I've read that Fascist Italy was one of the more resistant countries to eugenics--possibly because of Catholicism?).
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That is not enough. Roosevelt never called for a one-party state or called for the banning of the press nor was he against freedom of speech. He was certainly to jingoistic for me but a fascist he ws not.
It wouldn't be under Roosevelt himself, but if the Progressive Party can remain a strong force after the 1912 election (and after Roosevelt dies) why couldn't it be usurped by someone else?
None of whom called for that either. It would have been far too drastic a change for an established democracy like the US. The Fascists took over in places where there was no tradition of democracy such as Germany, Italy, and Spain, not one that was one for over a hundred years.
For Americans who were Fascist, the people I can see who lead Fascist movements in America are Ezra Pound, Lawrence Dennis, George van Horne Moseley, George E. Deatherage, Charles Coughlin and Gerald LK Smith.
Also Fascist Ideology isn't necessarily racist or anti-semitic. Mussolini's Fascist Italy was rather very inclusive to Jews, example being Ettore Ovazza (One of many Italian Jews who were members of Mussolini's Fascist Party), Italo Balbo's vocal opposition towards Antisemitism and racial laws, as well some Mussolini quotes stating disinterest towards race. However Italy was known to enact harsh policies and outright genocide towards people such as the Libyans and the Ethiopians during their imperial conquests. As well, in 1938, due to being isolated by the world for their aggressions, they would be forced to join Germany and adopt Nazi Policies of Racialism and antisemitism betraying many of Italy's Jews.
Also Fascist Ideology isn't necessarily racist or anti-semitic. Mussolini's Fascist Italy was rather very inclusive to Jews, example being Ettore Ovazza (One of many Italian Jews who were members of Mussolini's Fascist Party), Italo Balbo's vocal opposition towards Antisemitism and racial laws, as well some Mussolini quotes stating disinterest towards race. However Italy was known to enact harsh policies and outright genocide towards people such as the Libyans and the Ethiopians during their imperial conquests. As well, in 1938, due to being isolated by the world for their aggressions, they would be forced to join Germany and adopt Nazi Policies of Racialism and antisemitism betraying many of Italy's Jews.
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The Blue Shirts as a Para-military organization, because if you want to kill the color blue in the United Nations, this is a way to do it, as i doubt the color blue will ever be used by the UN.
I wish you'd stop using that word... it's sloppy and makes a lot of assumptions about dozens of countries that are far less inclusive/majoritarian than the word implies. The US in particular has never been able to live up to the full weight of that word.
In 1930, the USA had outlawed chattel slavery for just 75 years.
In 1930 the USA was a sectional, White Man's, democracy. It was not representative of any minority groups, nor did it offer any protection to them.
That's to say nothing of the ongoing destruction of native peoples (which are genocide, btw).
There's a long list of systematic injustices that were deeply ingrained into the American state.
To act as if this country is some kind of infallible beacon of light because it managed to hold a century or two of elections is nothing but obscurantism. This isn't a current politics thread, but for christsakes, look around and tell me that the only countries that are susceptible to these kinds of movements are just the ones with a "democratic" tradition.
As if that ever meant anything more than what could be expected by those living at the time. As if those living at the same times, elsewhere, weren't also sympathetic to the ideas and forms of organizations that prevailed in the Axis Powers. Groups of people are not that different that an entire strain of politics is closed off to them because they happened to be a Republic for an arbitrary amount of time while their contemporaries weren't.
I never said that it was flawless. However, at least for the White majority, it had the vote, freedom of speech, religion and the rule of law and had it for quite some time. Very few of whom were willing to give it up to an all-powerful state.
Of course there were injustices, along with every country on the planet. Injustice is far from a White exclusive sin. There were injustices in all of Africa, Asia, and the Americas long before White people were seen in significant numbers in any of those areas. All of them practiced slavery, fought wars, raided their neighbors for loot, etc. for thousands of years before that.
Where in God's name did I say that the US, GB or France were flawless beacons of light? One does not have to be a "flawless beacon of light" not to be Fascist. If THAT is the standard ALL countries are Fascist and always have been. If you want flawless anything you are in the wrong universe!
Did some people in the US and Western Europe favor Fascism? Yes, but it was a tiny percentage. They numbered in the tens of thousands in populations numbering in the tens of millions.
Again anti-fascist does not equal flawless. One doesn't have to be totally non-bigoted not to want a police state that infringes on his own rights. A Fascist state would likely shut me up, watch me at all times and seize my property without paying for it. I don't have to love Blacks to not to want that to happen to me.
Maybe even "America First"? I'm not saying that the AFC was Fascist (though it had many Fascist-sympathizers) but that a hypothetical Fascist movement could say they "want to put America First" after the Dems and Reps "sold out the country to the Jews/Bolsheviks/Bankers/PickYourEnemy".
The armed wing would probably be the American Legion (which at least had Fascist-leaning members) which could emerge to some kind of "Minute Men"?
The armed wing would probably be the American Legion (which at least had Fascist-leaning members) which could emerge to some kind of "Minute Men"?