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Thanks for the infoboxes, however mind that "Willy Brandt" would likely still be known as "Herbert Frahm" ITTL because he would not have had to flee from any Nazis and so it is not necessary for him to assume this codename/false name.
We still called him Willy Brandt ITTL, and he was born after the POD, so butterflies I guess.
There not? I guess the math could've been wrong.
While I was posting it, I had thought about this being just a different person who is naturally called Willy (or Wilhelm) Brandt. Very much possible, so you can leave it...
OK. Stop there.
Ludwig Erhard is not a Social Democrat. He was behind the Wirtschaftswunder in OTL, and that was based mostly on ordoliberal economics.
Meanwhile, Willy Brandt? A far-left socialist? He may have established Ostpolitik and in his youth joined a far-left party, but he could shake hands with the FDP and agree to a coalition with them. The FDP. Economic liberals. The exact sort of people that hate radical socialism.
So, sorry, this makes no sense.
Plus, where is the small-government people? All of the three are big-government, where is the FDP-analogue?
Plus, how did Erhard become Chancellor when the Reichstag was a Centre majority?
I'm certainly no math genius, but I don't think going from 345 to 365 seats constitutes a 106 seat increase.
First of all Gwen, this is a different TL, Ludwig Erhard can be a Social Democrat if I want him too, thanks to a thing called butterflies, he was only 4 at the POD, he would likely be a totally different person with very different circumstances growing up.
Brandt is running a split campaign from the SPD,
Didn't get enough votes.
First, the Reichstag had a Social Democratic majority before this election, and two, Erhard succeeded Kurt Schumacher, who was assassinated in 1957
, How did I miss that? If you invoke butterflies, you must explain why. Don't just say "butterflies" and leave it at that. That is not a good way to do a TL.
OK. If the SPD is led by an economic liberal, I can see why. But that in itself makes no sense.
Why? There's a very public zone for them to appeal to. Its what the Liberals in Britain did in the 40s.
Your infobox speaks otherwise.
I further explained in the post.
The SPD was led by the more economic liberal Erhard, so Brandt ran a Roosevelt style opposing campaign
Rommel kind of sucked up a lot of the votes. through I probably should've given them some seats, it was just I made this late and wanted to finish it before I went to bed, so I guess I flubbed.
I already noticed.
So I could have lets say... Eugene Debs as a mad fascist dictator, because he grew up differently due to "butterflies"?
I would expect PDS to surpass SPD in that case.
Yep.
Good that you did.
Technically if a POD is early enough in someone's life or before they were born, they could very easily grow up to be a different person altogether.
Yes, I see that. However, butterflies doesn't control everything, you know.
Of course not, but it does plenty of things, and Ludwig Erhard being a Social Democratic is not all that implausible, hell, I managed to pull off a non mad Hitler, Erhard being Social Democratic is not a big deal in comparison.
Do you have to nitpick everything? Why can't he be economically liberal? there are factions within parties, always.
Economical liberalism calls for the cutback of the state, social democracy calls for the growth of the state in order to improve people's lives.
There were no crisis in the Left until the 1980s that would make them embrace the Third Way, neoliberalism with a human face.
So, to conclude, economic liberalism and social democracy in the same party is clearly contradictory in a mid-20th Century context.
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