Map Thread VIII

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LSCatilina

LSCatilina

Niko Malaka said:
I have noticed the presene of "Iplacela" and I'm going to nitpick, with your permission. I'm sorry if you are referring to other city, but I think you mean Iplacea. Anyway, Iplacea is a myth, it never existed and, if it had existed it would have been the same town that Complutum, if we believe the legend. If there is a backhistory I would like to know it. As a suggestion, where you have placed Iplacea I would place Mantua Carpetanensis, which probably wasn't either there but it could be missed with other sites near the Manzanares river, as happened in OTL (but in the 18th century). Also, your map is wonderful, as usual.

Cheers.
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Really? It's interesting, do you know where is this myth coming from?
For Mantua Carpetanensis, i didn't know either, and a quick search was unfructuous, have you more details?
 

Avrelianvm

What do you think of this?
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Devilmaypoop

Rule Britannia said:
Here is an alternate colonisation I've been working on for the past few days.
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Most of the borders make no sense, at all.

It's been said before, but I think rather than spamming the thread with quickly drawn maps and no stories, you should take your time and make a good story.

EDIT: I keep confusing you and some other people. You havn't been spamming lately.
 
Mumby

Mumby

B_Munro said:
Well, the map does indicate China is a puppet - which frankly strikes me as even harder to sustain for so long, save for shaking nukes at them every other week (which might not lead to a particularly good reaction abroad).

Well, China is furthest out of the Japanese sphere, and is more de jure in it than de facto. China is actually in serious danger of displacing Japan as the major power in Asia, but the North American puppet kingdoms are strong allies of Japan, and along with Manchuria are more than willing to defend the current state of affairs from possible Chinese interference.

To be more precise: is European Russia a puppet, and if so whose? Perhaps a specific puppet coloration different from "other Democratic Socialist" would work better.

Hmm. You are probably right. I didn't really want European Russia to be a puppet of anyone, but I didn't really think they were important enough. Their version of socialism is a decentralised form based around mirs and the peasantry, not an efficient way to make an industrial superpower.

Something else: the Klan was a political terror organization, not a defined ideology of government. Even if the Klan becomes an organized political movement and takes over the US, it seems a bit odd for other nations with similar regimes to be called "Klanist": it is sort of like the difference between "Fascism" and "Nazism", if you see what I mean. (The Klan OTL, BTW, was sharply anti-Catholic as well as anti-Black which makes the Southern Cone Klanists in countries with hardly any blacks but almost all Catholic, a bit odd...one would think they would be more regular-type fascists)

In the US, Klanism means exactly what you summise, anti-black, anti-Catholic. A bit less obsessed with Latin Americans, and increasingly moderate in recent years. But the distinction between Klanism and Fascism is quite sharp. Fascism is like jacked up conservatism, pomp, pageantry and super-patriotism. Klanism is a cover-all term for ethnic nationalism of all stripes. So while it may seem a contradiction, the ethnic nationalism in the Southern Cone defines them as Klanists.

Oh - Japanese Alaska and west Canada???? How did that happen?

The two Japanese American Wars acquired these territories. The first time, only Alaska was conquered. The Americans felt compensated because they conquered Canada (apart from Quebec which became a dumping ground for Latin Americans). Alaska was added to the Czardom of Kamchatka, a Japanese puppet. The Alaskans have remained quiet because most of them are natives and aren't happy about the Klanist government of America. But the Canadian rebellion in the less integrated west, led to a Japanese invasion which led to a puupet Kingdom of Assiniboia.

Bruce
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So any other issues? And how about a list of improvements I could make to the map?
 

Avrelianvm

ImmortalImpi said:
I think that I hate Antiochia and you've provided no story so we can't say anything except 'ooo pretty'.
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XD yes, is that i want feel hahaha.
No, the history about the map is underway. Is too difficult for me translate from italian to english a complex text. Please be patient.
 

B_Munro

Mumby said:
So any other issues? And how about a list of improvements I could make to the map?
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1. I'm still puzzled by Japan. When did these wars happen? Did they have a powerful ally? Was the Klan government extraodinarily skilled in turning the US into a crapsack nation, fast fast? Japan OTL never had a chance in hell of taking US territory in North America by its lonesome.

2. A more consistent color scheme for the socialist-democratic nations might help.

3. The viewer could stand some more information on the nature of the Indian block - is it democratic, or what?

4. If Mexico isn't a US puppet, whose puppet is it?

5. Klanism = strong ethnic nationalism? But Fascism was also big on Ethnic Nationalism - Italians rule, Albanians/Greeks/Serbs/Ethiopians drool, although it generally wasn't taken quite so far as the Germans did. And I dunno - who are the Argentines ethnic-nationalist in _response_ to?

6. Given its location right inside the territories of Bharat and Japan, I doubt Indonesia is going to remain a colony: perhaps a Democratic-Socialist block member, to maintain a defensive alliance, but I really don't think Dutchmen in pith helmets are going to be running the show in Java 2015.

Bruce
 
Thande

Thande

Donor
Rule Britannia said:
Here is an alternate colonisation I've been working on for the past few days.
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The internal borders in the US and Canada don't make much sense. The east coast US borders would already have been fixed by the time of POD you seem to have in mind, while the Canadian ones are the same as OTL which date only from the turn of the 20th century.

For coming up with plausible borders for N America, this is useful. Just find the map closest to the year of your POD and you know that those borders are already fixed.
 

Iserlohn

My Poland-wank map is getting better and better! North America and 1/3 of South America are done!

For any questions there most likely is an answer, by the way. As a reminder: Current year 1750, POD around 1400.

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Mumby

Mumby

B_Munro said:
1. I'm still puzzled by Japan. When did these wars happen? Did they have a powerful ally? Was the Klan government extraodinarily skilled in turning the US into a crapsack nation, fast fast? Japan OTL never had a chance in hell of taking US territory in North America by its lonesome.

Well, the New Deal failed to deliver without the Second World War, and the Americans had planned an invasion of Mexico, but after a seemingly British attempt to kill the President, decided to invade Canada. This put considerable strain on the armed forces. Japan had been digesting Asia very slowly, so its armed forces were more capable of exploiting guerrillas in North America. The USA wasn't too bothered about losing Alaska when it had gained all of Canada, virtually. America was also strained by its race programme, which allowed Japan to exploit territories like the Phillipines.

2. A more consistent color scheme for the socialist-democratic nations might help.

I don't really understand. Do you mean, change the colours of Prussia and the Netherlands?

3. The viewer could stand some more information on the nature of the Indian block - is it democratic, or what?

4. If Mexico isn't a US puppet, whose puppet is it?

That remaining area of Mexico is a Fascist and therefore French satellite.

5. Klanism = strong ethnic nationalism? But Fascism was also big on Ethnic Nationalism - Italians rule, Albanians/Greeks/Serbs/Ethiopians drool, although it generally wasn't taken quite so far as the Germans did. And I dunno - who are the Argentines ethnic-nationalist in _response_ to?

The Italians were displaced by the French, who went on to alter Fascist ideology quite radically. Their view is that so long as the other ethnics remain loyal and are sufficiently Gallicised they can be left alone. The Italians are much more 'traditionally' Fascist, and Fascism is still a racist ideology that leaves power in the hands of the French, but it is much more acceptable than Communism.

6. Given its location right inside the territories of Bharat and Japan, I doubt Indonesia is going to remain a colony: perhaps a Democratic-Socialist block member, to maintain a defensive alliance, but I really don't think Dutchmen in pith helmets are going to be running the show in Java 2015.

Indonesia is very much self-governing, and really these 'new netherlands' are becoming the economic power behind the Dutch, and form at least some kind of buffer between the major powers in the Pacific. I don't know, this part is sort of ishy.

Bruce
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I really appreciate your critique of my map. I threw it up to try and get people to criticise it so I can improve it. Especially when it is from the like of you.
 

Lascupa0788

Ares96 said:
It looks as though Germany and Britain have almost switched places as far as colonisation goes.
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It... looks like they did, but that was unintentional.

Here is the next one, 1902, and the Nikanese war of independence is progressing. Rather then having to fight on 2 fronts, they have made a deal with Russia: Russia will remove their sphere of influence but receive a part of Manchuria, and they will sign an alliance.
Here is another random bit: Burgundy was not split in a succession war as in OTL, but was absorbed into France. The king of France had two sons, twins, and while the older did receive rule of France, the younger was given Burgundy... And ever since then Burgundy has been French-influenced but never actually re-absorbed.

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decker

LSCatilina said:
I'm pretty sure that you're not interested on my 3rd redrawn of my TL's maps.

But, i'm quite egocentric and there is the one of 710. I'll be thankeful for anyone correcting me or adding informations.
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You are wrong on at least 2 accounts :
+ at least I am interested in your map.
+ you aren't that egocentric, well not more than half of the people here !

Back to the map it is good looking work, I don't know much on the timeline point of view, but from the graphic perspective I like it.

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Utgard96

Utgard96

decker said:
You are wrong on at least 2 accounts :
+ at least I am interested in your map.
+ you aren't that egocentric, well not more than half of the people here !

Back to the map it is good looking work, I don't know much on the timeline point of view, but from the graphic perspective I like it.

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I agree fully, your maps are always an acute positive pleasure to look at.
 
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