Map Thread VIII

[Neoteros]

1) The Islamic Republic of Somalia is a successor state.
2) The Somali Federation is pretty much a Somaliland-wank.

 

[charl]

I've spent the better part of the last week making this map. My first attempt at topographical maps. It's not entirely done yet though (Still have to name the oceans).

Basically, it is the setting of a Medieval style area in a fantasy world. There are 6 dominant races in the early history, but by the time everything is industrialized, most races are either extinct, or have become integrated within the human population. By the time they got to our same technology level, only humans existed, with on average most humans having 5% Dwarf, 5% Elvish, and 2% Nymph in their body. These races have long since been forgotten, but their ruins are spread across the land.

There are in secret 5 major Dwarf cities under the mountains in the North, and outside of Thadea, but they are so deep men have yet to reach them (And they don't even know they are there). The human population is nearing 3 billion, and the Dwarves number at around 1.2 million underground.

Nice map!

But I think you put the darker greens in the wrong order on the gradient, or the topology is quite weird.

 

[Midas]

Here's a TL I've been passively working on.. though mostly for a hockey TL.. I am from Canada...



Very colorful I realize. There's no specific PoD, more like a series of small changes in the 1810s-'20s-ish culminating in a massive redrawing of the world by the time this map (set in 2000) gets done. World powers include:

The British Commonwealth (United Kingdoms, Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, South Africa and Rhodesia-Zimbabwe; outlined in maroon) are (surprisingly) the remnants of the British Empire that agreed to confederate into an agreement resembling the OTL EU. It has no capital, rotating parliaments every two years with the secretary-general. Considered a major power but has much less prestige than the old empire did.

The Union of Sovereign States (Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Kazakhstan and Mongolia) are the remaining members of the former Union of Socialist States founded after the Revolutions of 1914. The Union is now quite decentralized but with strong military, industrial and economical ties. All members are currently recognized as democracies with free and fair multi-party elections in every state. Considered a major power and in recent years has begun to engage the Ottoman Empire over conflicting land-claims: particularly in the Northern Caucasus and Southern Kazakhstan/Ottoman Turkestan.

The Sublime Ottoman State (or Ottoman-wank) is a federative constitutional monarchy and consists of OTL Ottoman Empire, most of their claims in Africa including Egypt, North Sudan, Eritrea, Djbouti but minus Tripoltania and Tunisia, Yemen, Armenia, Azerbaijan, parts of the Russian Caucasus (Dagastan, Chechnya, etc.) and all of Russian Central Asia south of Kazakhstan. It is largely secular and democratic with most regions having free multi-party elections (those underdeveloped ones along the Sahel, Caucasus and Central Asia are a bit more suspect).

The European Federation is a transnational confederation led by regional powers Germany, France, the Iberian Union and Italy. It was formed shortly after the very short TTL equivalent of the Second World War (though ittl it's the Second Great European War), with an alliance with TTL USSR formed and upheld and Britain largely ignored after an analogue of the Blitz and a disastrous attempt at a Sealion both fail miserably. All the countries within were or are fascist/autocratic, though since the mid-'80s they've undergone a slow transition into multiparty democracies.

Too lazy to write out the rest fancily so I'll summarize. The other major powers are the U.S., China, Japan and India. China had a Sun Yat-sen figure to guide them to independence and beyond, and was able to secure a much more peaceful transition to competent statehood than OTL. There was a period of unrest till about the late '40s, when they got their shit together basically and provinces with rebellions or de facto independent governments were reabsorbed. They were helped by a much more friendly Japan, led by a very charismatic and enthusiastic pan-Asian emperor. Up until about the '60s (around his death) he was able to suppress the Japanese far-right, and since then tensions between the two have exploded into everything but war (sort of like a contained Asian Cold War). India had two ATL Gandhis as well as some more violent revolutionaries, and the ATL equivalent of the Congress Party were a lot more receptive to local political autonomy leading to Muslim separatism being a minority position among Indians. After constant border conflicts in the early '50s with native Pashtuns and Balochs who did not want to be apart of the new Indian Federation, the government controversially agreed to secede a huge amount of territory to the Kingdom of Afghanistan. India has profited from the retreat from the haphazard and indistinct Durham Line and is much more defensible than OTL to terrorism and such, though Afghanistan has had a lot more ethnic conflicts due to Pashtuns now making up a majority of the state.

The United States lost the South around the late '40s/'50s (in ATL "Great Compromise" Era) and initially it was big, followed by two wars within two decades that bankrupted the state but resulted in few territorial gains. Thanks to support from Europe, the South ends up with most of its claims plus bits of New Mexico, Arizona and Southern California. Around the '80s most Northern politicans renounce irredentism unofficially and US immigration and migration, rather than being funnelled southwards as IOTL moves west. The Midwestern, Great Plains and all of the Pacific states are much more populated than OTL, with Chicago remaining the nation's second city and San Francisco a close third. The United States is still a major power though until recently it has been far more isolationist than OTL, more like pre-'20s U.S.

The Confederate States are a developing country, with a lot of disparities in wealth and a painful history of slavery and unequal human relations. They have long been a bitter source of labor since Emancipation (around the 1920s) for the developed world however, being one of the only countries in the world to legally permit indentured servitude. Its cheap base of manpower has brought it a great deal of industrial investment especially in the past 20-30 years (even from the U.S.). However armed rebellions and "secessionism" [1] is rife throughout the reason, partly probably due to the widespread availability and ease of acquiring firearms.

I've also thrown in an independent Alsace-Lorraine (called "Lotharingia"), a buffed up Luxembourg (gaining back its old parts from Belgium!), an independent Borneo and balkanized Indonesia and New Guinea partitioned north-south instead of east-west. Typical Russian-monarchist Alaska as well.

[1] "seccessionism" is the term used by Confederate authorities for the phenomenon of towns or homesteads essentially declaring independence when they perceive government authorities to be enacting injustices upon them, despite secession having been outlawed since 1929. However, many of these 'rebellions' happen in shanty towns filled with mostly black or colored laborers: and the response to them is often harsh and violent.

Yeah yeah, colors are confusing and so many of them. It's a draft map but whatever, thought I'd share. Some of the borders and subdivisions are anachronistic too and others I just stuck in there so they wouldn't be an awkward blank spot amongst seemingly detailed nations. I realize I've incorporated quite a few classic AH tropes together in this little thing, I'm proud of it.

 

[Uriel]

My new job prevents me from even trying to keep up with the many good mapmakers active on the board.
But I finished two old pieces today.

First is a dark cold war impression:

• France & Germany head two rivaling "ceausescuist" factions that try to keep some distance to Moscow but are still allied with the USSR
• Brazil & Argentinia are jointly occuping Uruguay and Paraguay
• Shades of the US colour: state -state temporaily under military administration - military occupation
• South Africa surrounded itself with a chain of small buffer states

 

[Utgard96]

2017: France, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, Holland, Austria and Slovenia create the Confederated Nations and States of Europe, who would expand to the whole of Western and Central Europe in the decades to come, resembling more and more an united federal state when the scars of the demise of the European Union healed. Like South Africa, it has three capitals: Paris is the legislative capital, Berlin is the administrative capital and Bruxelles is the judicial capital.

That seems like an odd division... Currently Brussels is the administrative capital, Strasbourg is the (secondary) legislative capital, and Luxembourg is the judicial capital. I see no reason why this would change.

 

[Uriel]

This one is a what if, in which the Western Allies go to war against and defeat the USSR 1945-1948. (Pattons Tanks drive on Moscow, German troops quickly redesignated as auxilliaries, limited use of nukes)

This gives Germany and Japan a chance to redeem themselfs and buys the colonial powers some time.

The only thing original about the map is, that the main longtime beneficiary is Russia.
Freed from communist mismanagement and the burden of an oversized military, it has one big economic boom form the mid sixties to the nineties.
(Think a much bigger South Korea + oil)
Today it is the biggest economy of the world (although only narrowly ahead of the US) and most of the lands liberated back in 1949 are gravitating back into the All-Russian-Union (like the EU but with a clear top-dog).

 

[DireSituation]

WIP concept of a British Empire allied with Nazi Germany, POD in the early 1930's.

Europe in 1947:

 

[Vexacus]

For Life, Joy, Empire and Victory
1927
-The fashion for taking drugs begin to diminish after the Tsar is found dead, overdosed on morphine.
-The Swiss beer "Cantons' Finest" is now available in the Union of Mexican States.
-The spec-fic genre grows as Agatha Christie writes her book "For Life, Joy, Empire and Victory", an alternate history on what would have happened if the Great War has ended in an Entente victory.
-The Red Rebellion expands to an unbelievable size.
-The Compromise Convention ends terribly.
-Americanization continues in the Japanese States and the Two Coreas.
-The Pope, Benedict XV, dies from old age. An new Pope, Paul VI is elected.
-The Pacifist Movement is started in Geneva, Switzerland.
-Some people predicts the 1930s to be filled with war and strife. Other people think the next decade will be peaceful.
-Gran Colombia starts to fall apart. A Red Rebellion starts in the Department of Venezola.
-In financial trouble, Britain sells its part of Greenland to Canada.

Japan and Korea are states? tell me more

 

[Turquoise Blue]

Japan and Korea are states? tell me more

Corea (as it is called in the TL) is in two states, North and South Corea. Japan is divided in 8 states. They were acquired when France, who invaded them in the early 1800s, sold the whole thing to the USA.

 

[B_Munro]

Corea (as it is called in the TL) is in two states, North and South Corea. Japan is divided in 8 states. They were acquired when France, who invaded them in the early 1800s, sold the whole thing to the USA.

So the French reduced Japan's population by 80% or more? You seem to have a low opinion of French colonialism...

Bruce

 

[Turquoise Blue]

So the French reduced Japan's population by 80% or more? You seem to have a low opinion of French colonialism...

Bruce

France in this timeline had a harsh policy regarding Japan. So harsh that a lot migrated to the USA. They are starting to come back, but they are Americanized now. That is what causing the effect.

 

[Vexacus]

Corea (as it is called in the TL) is in two states, North and South Corea. Japan is divided in 8 states. They were acquired when France, who invaded them in the early 1800s, sold the whole thing to the USA.

There's a TL to go with it, linky please

 

[Turquoise Blue]

There's a TL to go with it, linky please

Um, I meant a map series timeline, but I'll collect all the maps and compile them in a collection when it is 1935.

 

[Neoteros]

I was inspired by the small secessionist movements in Maine and Vermont. The (ASBish) idea is that Huckabee gets elected in 2008, and the liberal states of the Union do not take it well. In particular, the aforementioned movements join to form a pressure group, "Independent Loegria", that advocates secession for northern New England and the establishment of a liberal Switzerland-like state, or the union with Canada.

Loegria is the name of the lands ruled by King Arthur.

 

[Turquoise Blue]

I was inspired by the small secessionist movements in Maine and Vermont. The (ASBish) idea is that Huckabee gets elected in 2008, and the liberal states of the Union do not take it well. In particular, the aforementioned movements join to form a pressure group, "Independent Loegria", that advocates secession for northern New England and the establishment of a liberal Switzerland-like state, or the union with Canada.

Loegria is the name of the lands ruled by King Arthur.

Actually, Loegria is a Anglicization of the Welsh name for England "Lloegr" literally- lost land.

 

[Neoteros]

Actually, Loegria is a Anglicization of the Welsh name for England "Lloegr" literally- lost land.

According to Greater Poland, it was also adopted in Arthurian canon somewhere... but it's Wikipedia, so i don't know.

 

[B_Munro]

France in this timeline had a harsh policy regarding Japan. So harsh that a lot migrated to the USA. They are starting to come back, but they are Americanized now. That is what causing the effect.

You know, I'm going to have to save this for the _next_ guy who makes Japan part of the US...

RELATIVE POPULATIONS

--------------USA-------------------JAPAN------------JAPANESE POP AS % US
1850------- 24 million------------- 32 million------------133%
1875------- 44 million------------- 36 million------------ 82%
1900------- 76 million------------- 45 million------------ 59%
1925------- 115 million------------ 60 million------------ 52%
1950------- 150 million------------ 84 million------------ 56%
1975------- 210 million------------ 110 million----------- 52%
2011------- 312 million------------ 128 million----------- 41%

Bruce

 

[Turquoise Blue]

You know, I'm going to have to save this for the _next_ guy who makes Japan part of the US...

RELATIVE POPULATIONS

--------------USA-------------------JAPAN------------JAPANESE POP AS % US
1850------- 24 million------------- 32 million------------133%
1875------- 44 million------------- 36 million------------ 82%
1900------- 76 million------------- 45 million------------ 59%
1925------- 115 million------------ 60 million------------ 52%
1950------- 150 million------------ 84 million------------ 56%
1975------- 210 million------------ 110 million----------- 52%
2011------- 312 million------------ 128 million----------- 41%

Bruce

This USA has West Canada, Sonora, Chihuahua, Alaska, Australia, New Zealand and the Philippines, so that adds a lot.

 

[DireSituation]

It would be ASB though, for Japanese-Americans to not play a pivotal role in American politics and American culture itself. Discrimination would only last so far for Asian-Americans, as they would make up around half the the nation's population (unlike African-Americans, which even today only make up 12% of the American population).

Edit: Signs in the main cities of the United States may very well be like this, albeit with the font sizes likely reversed:

 

[Utgard96]

Edit: Signs in the main cities of the United States may very well be like this, albeit with the font sizes likely reversed:

As long as they dont have these signs, I'm fine with it.

(I know that's Chinese, but when you got on to discrimination you were only speaking about Asian-Americans.)