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PobreCesar

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Ze lore in a nutshell:
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You inspired me to read your timeline with that map. (And also to invest in Holy Water. It seems will need more.)

InitialWave said:
the gigantic Russian Republic
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I like what you've done here with there being enough convergences to avoid superfluous "Great Man of History"-ing, while keeping things different enough for it to be interesting. I think the presence of the gigantic Russian Republic (if it has a larger population to match) will result in even more long term divergences from OTL.

B_Munro said:
half done Japan-Ireland
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It'll be interesting to see if your sprawling super-Japan is larger than the Japanese Empire that I cook up for my Years of Rice and Salt take. (Assuming I ever finish).
 

PobreCesar

Japan doesn't catch up with the West. China isn't humiliated in the Sino-Japanese War, allowing the Qing to limp along a bit longer. Russia isn't humiliated in the Russo-Japanese War. The main impact of this in Asia would be that Manchuria would fall into Russia's sphere of influence along with Korea. Empress Myeongseong of Korea is assassinated by the Russians instead of the Japanese, bringing Korea into the Russian sphere. This gives Russia its long-yearned for warm water port in the East. With this Russia secures influence (of a lesser species) over Japan like how Britain and France have in Thailand. Sakhalin is probably annexed into Russia directly. The Qing Dynasty, longer in its decaying death, seems increasingly beholden to Russia, causing the Germans and the British to work together some in order to prevent it from becoming another Russian client state. The main impact of this in Europe would be that Britain would fear Russia at least as much as Germany and Russia would be much more confident in its military power. As a result war might well erupt over the Bosnian Crisis or some similar incident. Between the war coming earlier and the British being more worried about Russia, Britain probably has not left splendid isolation. France and Russia go to war against Germany, Austria-Hungary, and possibly the Ottoman Empire. Italy is a wild card. It is possible for the Franco-Russian alliance to win the war. However, the odds are against it. By a lot. After a string of defeats Russia is probably forced out of the war (and much of Eastern Europe) by a revolution. To know if the Germans got as much as they did from Brest-Litovsk in our world would require knowing if the revolution caused a civil war though. France drops out of the war in exchange for status quo antebellum and recognition of German conquests in the East, the government passes it off as a great win for France- at least initially. Britain never intervened as by the time it wanted to it was tied down managing an Irish uprising, which was dealt with by granting the Irish autonomy. France drifted into a highly militaristic mode of politics over the course of the next two decades. Russia had initially collapsed into revolution but with foreign help the uprising was put down. However, the Duma would now have real power. Eventually they fell into a sort of fascism. Austria-Hungary collapses but the Germans step in to preserve Austria and Croatia as allies. Hungary gains independence though. The Second War ends with the destruction of the anti-German empires, after Britain is forced to capitulate when the German nuclear program bears fruit first. Britain collapses and the empire dissolves. Germany holds on to its European clients (for now) and increases their number by splitting off Weissrussland and the Baltics as well as European Russia itself. Siberia falls away and goes Communist. German allied nationalists take over China; German troops are redeployed to help the Ottoman Empire fend off Arab revolts. America didn't get involved with the wars because it got sucked into the chaos in the Mexican Revolution. Germany also takes a massive block in Africa; Italy and Austria are repaid for their help with large territories in North Africa.

Hopefully I haven't missed anything in my description or made any errors in my map.

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Thanks. I didn’t know who made that before.
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B_Munro

OK, this one was a request: a map of this old scenario of Diamond's https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/the-second-carthaginian-empire.1835/ , the Second Carthaginian Empire, taken to something closer to "modern times."

It's a TL in which Islam's initial western forays prove less successful than OTL for various reasons, and even after Constantinople itself falls Rome hangs on in North Africa, with it's capital at the frequently-rebuilt city of Carthage. Stuff happens. Islam pushes east where it went OTL in our world, China goes Muslim, later disappoints the rest of the Islamic world by adopting their own version of Islam with Chinese Characteristics. In Europe, the Frankish empire persists, and areas that stayed Latin-speaking OTL are eventually Germanized. Christianity splits, but somewhat differently. The Magyars conquer proto-Russia rather than the central Balkans.

The New World is slowly colonized by various groups. South America is fought over at some length. Carthage gets a big chunk but then loses most of it due to rebellion at home. The Uralic Khanate fails to make the necessary transition from mounted archer to gun-toting infantry (they lack manpower, for one thing) and end up being divided between the more modern Khazars and Khalka.

Carthage's eastern bits break off, fragment, and are eventually re-conquered by a succession of talented and ambitious Emperors. Carthaginian Rome is now so swole as to scare everyone into a coalition or two against it, and the empire is split iThe wnto east and west bits, this time permanently. The western successor state goes federal and Republican and prospers, even going so far as to drop the whole "calling itself the Roman empire" thing. Technology moves forward, some ways ahead of OTL.

China, locally referred to by non-Han as Serica, as a Muslim country is more plugged into the wider world and OK with merchants than its OTL version, and while it isn't all peaches and cream, it manages to keep up technologically to a sufficient extent that it never suffer humiliation or civilizational overturn to the scale of our timeline. After a shorter interlude, it is once again the largest economy on Earth, and aggressively active in securing allies, clients and sources of useful resources abroad. There is considerable alarm in the Christian lands.

After a war doesn't go too well, the Red Cap revolution forces the Kaiser of the Franks to bow to parliamentary power. Alas, greater democracy is also a great opportunity for demagogic types, especially with the old elites in no hurry to go into that good night. If the Franks are to compete with nations on the scale of China, Frankia must grow. The Unificationist movement pushes for the unity of all "Germanic" peoples. Most roll their eyes. However, the Franks do manage to swallow up several small irredenta and beat up on the Norse a bit. A global war is widely predicted. The Carthaginians explode the world's first atomic bomb in the Saharan desert and people sit down abruptly.

Today, 1850, the world is about a century ahead of OTL technologically, and an atomic arms race is under way as other nations scramble to duplicate Carthage's atom bomb. The Carthaginians are struggling, along with a constellation of other nations, to put the new weapon under some sort of international control to maintain world peace, but nobody really trusts the Franks, who are still beating the drum of Germanic Unity (or, occasionally, Christian Unity, as long as it doesn't include any of those dubiously Christian Magyars and non-European Africans, or...) nor the Sericans (who really don't want to rule the world: just to be the axis around which it turns. Oh, and convert everyone to the True Faith eventually, but softly, softly catchee monkey.)

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Reagent

Crossposting from MotF 234:

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The Assassination of the French High Commissioner of the Levant, Henri Gouraud, by Southern Lebanese folk hero Adham Khanjar on 23 June 1921 would send shockwaves throughout the French mandate. The bold action inspired further pro-Independence unrest across Syria, but particularly among Greater Lebanon's already restless Shia population (who were unhappy about their inclusion in the Maronite dominated "Greater Lebanon" polity and sought union with Syria). When the French Army of the Levant launched a punitive campaign of retribution in the Wadi al-Hujair region of Southern Lebanon (seeking to hunt down Gouraud's assasins), the tense situation in the French mandate devolved once more into widespread violence. As reports of atrocities against Shia civilians in the Wadi al-Hujair spread, large numbers of Shia in Greater Lebanon rose in open revolt against France. The rugged Jabal Amel region of Southern Lebanon and Beqqa Valley would form the nexus of the revolt. Viewing Maronites and other Christian groups as French collaborators, the Shia revolutionaries attacked isolated Christian villages throughout Southern Lebanon and the Beqqa. With French assistance, the Maronites and other Christian groups would form militas to defend their villages. Seeking to exact retribution against the Shia rebels, these Maronite militas unleashed a retaliatory campaign of terror against isolated Shia villages in central Lebanon. Before the French were able to get the Shia revolt under control in early 1923, tens of thousands had been killed, and many more had been displaced.

Seeking to stabilize the region and forestall future conflict, the French decided to undertake an administrative reorganization of Greater Lebanon. The borders of Greater Lebanon had only been established in 1920 by Henri Gouraud, who had expanded the old Mount Lebanon Mutasarrifate to encompass what many in the Maronite community deemed "Lebanon's natural frontiers." However, it was increasingly clear to the French that the Muslim community of Greater Lebanon did not want to be included within the polity, and even many within the Maronite community were having second thoughts about the expansion of their national frontiers. Under the direction of Gouraud's replacement, Maxime Weygand, the French would undertake another redrawing of the borders. Back in 1920, then Prime Minister, and now French President Millerand had reprimanded Gouraud for including the predominantly Sunni city of Tripoli within the borders of Greater Lebanon. Tripoli was excised from Greater Lebanon and placed under direct French Administration after the Maronite community objected to the city being included within the Syrian Federation polity (out of concerns the port could draw traffic and trade away from Beirut and inspire future Syrian irredentism against Lebanon). Christians living in the city were granted Lebanese citizenship, while Muslims living in the city were granted Syrian citizenship. The predominantly Shia Jabal Amel region, was also excised from Lebanon, and was transformed into a seperate polity analogus to the Jabal-al-Druze state. The Jabal Amel region was difficult to administer, had a small Christian population (made smaller by the 1922-1923 revolt), and its weak economy was much more integrated with Haifa in British Mandatory Palestine than it was with Beiruit (so much so the Palestinian pound was the de facto currency in the region). In contrast, the majority Muslim Akkar and Beqqa, with their large agricultural production and large Christian minorities were deemed vital to include in Lebanon. The memories of the Mount Lebanon famine during WWI were still strong in the minds of the Maronite community - so these territories remained within Lebanon. Thus the "Greater Lebanon" vision was abandoned for the "Middle Lebanon" vision.

This political reorganization was accompanied with a population transfer. Seeking to emulate the perceived success of the population exchange between Greece and Turkey agreed at Lausanne, the French decided to implement a population transfer of their own. Christians living in Jabal Amel were evacuated north, while the Twelver Shia population of the Beqqa was (with some exceptions) transplanted to the Jabal Amel state. This action saw more Muslims than Christians relocated - so the French decided to assist in the repopulation of the depopulated Beqqa by resettling Armenian and Assyrian refugees in the area. The city of Baalbek today is known for having one of the largest Armenian populations of a city outside of Armenia. After the Simele massacre in Iraq in 1933, additional Assyrians would be resettled within Lebanon. While many within Jabal Amel continuted to advocate union with Syria (though these calls grew less strong over time), strong protests from Beirut led the French to block a proposed merger of the territory with the Syrian Republic polity - even as the Alawite state and Jabal-al-Druze were folded into Syria in 1936 to appease Syrian nationalists.

The Second World War would see Syria, Lebanon, and Jabal Amel attain independence from France. The Vichy Government assumed control of the territories in 1940, but only governed the territory for about a year before the Free French forces under General de Gaulle. Lebanese leaders asked de Gaulle to terminate the Mandate, and used contacts in the Lebanese diaspora to apply international pressure to the Free French government. On 26 November 1941, the Free French acceded to to this pressure and agreed to Lebanese independence, but continued to exercise significant control over the country. This control was put to the test on 8 November 1943, when the newly elected Lebanese Chamber of Deputies amended the Lebanese Constitution to remove all references to the Mandate and end the powers of the High Commissioner, in effect, unilaterally ending the mandate. The French arrested the Lebanese President, Prime Minister, and the Prime Minister's cabinet - but were forced to back down after facing massive street protests after the move - agreeing to terminate the mandate after the end of the war. The French action was so unpopular even Muslims and Druze joined the protest. The participation of Lebanon's religious minorities in the protest was acknowledged by the Christian majority, who agreed to reserve 25% of seats in the Lebanese parliament to Muslims and Druze, in return for the community abandoning aspirations to unify with Syria. After being forced to recognizie the inevitability of Lebanese independence, the French concluded similar agreements to terminate the mandate with Syria and Jabal Amel. The French evacuated Syria, Lebanon, and Jabal Amel on 31 December 1946, except for the island of Arwad and port of Tripoli, where were retained as navy base.

For the first decade and a half of independence, Lebanon would straddle the divide between aligning itself with the West and Arab world. Lebanon was a founding member of the Arab League, but maintained extensive ties with France (both Arabic and French were recognized as Lebanon's official language). Lebanon declined to involve itself in the Arab-Israeli war of 1948, but also declined to recognize the independence of the new Jewish state and hosted a large number of Palestinian refugees from the Nakba (many Palestinian Christians chose to flee to Lebanon, though Lebanese also hosted many Muslim Palestinian refugees) . There were some incidents of anti-Jewish vandalism and violence in the aftermath of the Arab defeat, but Lebanon's Jewish community did not suffer from the widespread pogroms they faced across the Arab world after 1948. Events would eventually transpire to force Lebanon to fully throw in its lot with the West.

On 1 February 1958, the establishment of the United Arab Republic - a union between Syria and Egypt - was proclaimed. Many believed the UAR was the first step before a larger pan-Arab state, and many Lebanese (including Lebanese President Camille Chamoun) were concerned that its Syrian neighbor (now backed up by Egyptian military power) would seek to annex their country. Those Lebanese were right to be concerned - as Nasser's UAR began to apply pressure to Lebanon and create the conditions to force Lebanon into the union, or failing that, justify a military intervention. The UAR began covertly supplying munitions to the few remaining Shia in the Baalbek, encouraging them to undertake guerilla action against the Lebanese army. Contacts with Muslim Palestinian refugees were established, and soon refugee camps in Lebanon became hotbeds of pan-Arabist sentiment. However, the lynchpin of the UAR's pressure campaign against Lebanon would be exploiting the growing unrest in Tripoli. The predominantly Sunni city (where the vast majority of residents held Syrian and now UAR passports), still occupied by France, had been agitating for union with Syria on and off during the 1950s. While the French remained publicly noncommittal about the fate of the city, it was increasingly clear they planned to withdraw from the city in the near future. The French Nuclear program, which was only a few years from a functioning warhead would diminish the importance of the French surface fleet, and the island of Arwad was able to serve many of the functions that Tripoli could (while being much easier to administer and defend). The UAR immediately began supporting sustained protests that demanded the French leave and allow the city to unify with the United Arab Republic. Additionally, they covertly backed mob actions against Christian owned businesses and property in the city in an attempt to further destabilize the city and provoke the Lebanese into overreacting. These soft power actions by Nasser worked to great effect, causing significant strife and turmoil within Lebanon, and when Lebanese President Camille Chamoun announced his intention to run for re-election as President (despite this action being illegal under the Lebanese Constitution and the pact signed between Christians and religious minorities in 1943) it seemed everything was going according to plan. In June 1958, the French announced they would leave Tripoli by the end of 1960 and hand the city over to Lebanon (as it happened, various Lebanese government officials had high-level contacts with important players in the May 1958 crisis and furthermore Lebanon had been rather successfully playing itself up as an anti-communist bulwark). The Lebanese powder keg ignited.

Tripoli quickly became ungovernable, and protests rocked every predominantly Muslim area of Lebanon. All the while, the Christian community of Lebanon was split over whether or not to support Camille Chamoun. At French request, the Lebanese Army deployed soldiers to help contain the violence in Tripoli - eager to defend Christians in the city. On 11 July 1958, when a Lebanese patrol entered the Bab-al-Tibbaneh neighborhood of Tripoli to act as crowd control for a large protest that was gathering in the neighborhood, a number of gunshots rang out from an overlooking apartment. After realizing that some of their comrades had fallen, the Lebanese Army soldiers began to indiscriminately fire upon the crowd in front of them. Dozens of Muslims (and more importantly dozens of United Arab Republic citizens) lay dead. Nasser had his cassus belli. The United Arab Republic, which had been massing troops on the Lebanese border the previous month, issued an ultimatum to Lebanon to allow UAR soldiers to pass through to the Akkar to Tripoli, where they would be deployed as peacekeepers. Furthermore, President Camille would have to step down as President, Leanon would pay indemnities to the families of those killed in the Bab-al-Tibbaneh massacre, and the United Arab Republic would have "the right to protect" the Muslim community in Lebanon. Lebanon refused, and when the ultimatum expired on 13 July 1958, the war began. The United Arab Republic air force began straffing raids on major Lebanese cities, while the Army began moving into Lebanon. While the UAR's armored push towards Tripoli almost reached the outskirts of the city within two days, offensives elsewhere bogged down in the rough terrain. The Lebanese Army, however, was in little position to resist the UAR Army for much longer.

Lebanon appealed to the West for assistance. France, still in political turmoil, offered little except tepid assurances that they 'did not intend to vacate' Tripoli ahead of the established timetable. However, Lebanon's appeal to the West had receptive ears in Washington, which worried that the fall of Lebanon would facilitate the spread of Communism throughout the Middle East. United States President Dwight D. Eisenhower authorized Operation Blue Bat on July 15, 1958 (the first use of the Eisenhower Doctrine). The United States demanded the United Arab Republic immediately leave Lebanon and indicated that the position of the United States was that "the fate of Tripoli will be decided according to International mediation." As this was happening, the United States began the process of emergency airlifting soldiers into Beirut. Believing this was a repeat of the Suez Crisis, Nasser attempted to call what he believed was Eisenhower's bluff, and tried to organize a lightening push on Beirut (abandoning the effort to secure Tripoli) to force the American's to accept the UAR's occupation of Lebanon as a fait-accompli. This effort failed when American planes from the USS Saratoga, USS Essex, and USS Wasp scattered UAR planes operating near Beirut (to enable US soldiers to safely land), and then proceeded to bomb UAR positions inside of occupied Lebanon. Nasser's bluff had failed, and the United Arab Republic began a chaotic and disorganized retreat from Lebanon.

United States troops would remain in Lebanon until August of 1959. As the political situation in France normalized, the French Foreign legion augmented and eventually replaced the United States troops stationed in Lebanon. The proposed international mediation (which wasn't much of a "mediation" due to the meeting being boycotted by the UAR) would see Tripoli ceded to Lebanon , but required Lebanon to agree to a number of minority protections and for Camille to forgo running for another term (which he reluctantly agreed to at the last minute). Pierre Gemayel, leader of the Kataeb Party, was able to shrewdly navigate the chaotic political chaos in Lebanon to secure election as Lebanon's Third President.

President Gemayael soon went to work enacting his vision of Lebanese nationalism - one which estranged the country from the Arab world. As soon as the last United States soldiers left, the Lebanese reneged on their promise to protect the Muslim minority in Tripoli. A violent mob of Maronites, many of whom had lost relatives during the brief but intense UAR bombing campaign against Lebanese cities, descended on the city and began to carry out a pogrom against the Muslims who remained in the city (many had already left for the United Arab Republic). Contemporary onlookers said the violence rivaled that of the Istanbul Pogrom that occurred three years earlier. French soldiers were criticized by international commentators for standing by as the mob carried out violence and many believe the mob was organized with the covert support of President Gemayael. This pogrom inspired retaliatory mob actions against Christians in Syria - and Lebanon was suspended from the Arab League (Lebanon would formally leave the League in 1961) . With the strong backing of parliament, President Gemayael advanced a law that mimicked Israel's "right of return" law - granting Christian communities native to the Levant and Iraq the right to immigrate to Lebanon and become citizens. Many of the Christian Palestinian refugees took up this opportunity. Concurrent with this, Muslim Palestinian refugees were forced to leave the country. The Phoenicianism ideology gained official government backing under the tenure of Gemayael as well. Lebanese school children were taught a curriculum which emphasized the "Phoenician basis" and "uninterrupted continuity" of the Lebanese culture. Phoenicianism was complemented by a Christian nationalism: Lebanon was characterized as an explicitly Christian nation with a "unbreakable fraternal bond" with the West. The Crusades were taught as a justified action as a period of economic development and prosperity. President Gemayael's successor, Charles Helou would continue this reorientation of Lebanon away from the Arabic world. In an action that was universally opposed by the Muslim minority and even viewed with intense skepticism by many within the Chrisitan community, Helou visited Jerusalem in 1968, recognized Israel, and sought to foster close military ties with the Jewish state after its impressive victory over Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Jabal Amel in the Eight-Day War of 1967.

One of the most significant components of President Pierre Gemayael's program of Lebanese nationalism was the revival of the Aramaic language. Moved by the successful Hebrew revival effort in Israel, Gemayael sought to set Lebanon apart from the Arab world and unite the Christian community (with its many different liturgical languages) together with a "neutral" language. Various plans were proposed, from attempting to revive Phoenician (which was deemed too daunting a task) to trying to spin off the Lebanese dialect of Arabic as a separate language (which wasn't ambitious enough for Gemayael). Ultimately, it was decided to revive the Aramaic language - or more accurately, standardize and proliferate Western Neo-Aramaic (also known as Siryon), which was spoken by a small number of Syrian Christians who had immigrated to Lebanon. The Lebanese government made much of the fact that Aramaic was the spoken language of Jesus (and was the dominant language of Lebanon before the Arab conquest) - and went to work putting into place the infrastructure to teach the language to the next generation of Lebanese school children. Aramaic was adopted the official language of Lebanon - but Arabic and French remained "operational languages" of state business until a critical mass of Lebanese learned the language. In 1983, newly elected President Bachir Gemayel (son of President Pierre Gemayael) announced that Aramaic had achieved the "critical mass" of speakers necessary for the language to be the official language of state business. The following poster was made in commemoration of this proclamation:
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ܠܶܒܰܢܳܢ ܘܢܶ ܡܳܪܶ ܨܦܶܰܟܣ ܬܗܶ ܠܰܢܓܽܰܓܶ ܳ ܟܗܪܺܣܬ
Lebanon once more speaks the language of Christ!

ܐܬܶܪ ܶܢܬܽܪܺܶܣ ܰܢܕ ܶܢܬܽܪܺܶܣ ܳ ܳܪܶܺܓܢ ܪܽܠܶ
ܫܶ ܰܣܬ ܰܣܺܕܶ ܬܗܶ ܠܰܢܓܽܰܓܶ ܳ ܦܰܣܬ ܳܢܩܽܶܪܳܪܣ
ܢܳ ܡܳܪܶ ܕܳ ܘܶ ܣܦܶܰܟ ܪܶܢܗ ܳܪ ܐܪܰܒܺ
ܠܶܒܰܢܳܢ ܘܢܶ ܡܳܪܶ ܨܦܶܰܟܣ ܬܗܶ ܠܰܢܓܽܰܓܶ ܳ ܟܗܪܺܣܬ

After centuries and centuries of foreign rule,
we cast aside the language of past conquers.
No more do we speak French or Arabic,
Lebanon once more speaks the language of Christ!​
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There is probably a 1000% chance I got the neo-Aramaic wrong to at least some degree, if anyone actually knows any language in the Syraic language family and has any suggestions to improve things, I'd love to hear them.
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Clandango

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Trying out a new style inspired by old Diercke and dtv-history atlases as well as some of the great maps 1Blomma makes on DeviantArt.
Basically Prometheismus but at a horrible price.
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An absolutely fantastic map, but I feel Illyria may not be the best of names for the Croat dominated kingdom. As the previous Kingdom of Illyria (there were several over the past couple thousand years) had covered Istria, Carinthia, and Carniola, and had been dissolved around 1850, it might be considered as giving an implicit claim to that area to the Croats or something. Also, would that kingdom still be considered as being in personal Union with Hungary here, or are all the states semi officially equal? And actually, why would Austria annex Montenegro? Their King had loads of daughters married to various dukes, princes, plus the king of Italy. The Habsurgs basically already controlled their their exports, so seems like it would be more in their interests to give them Sanjack and the Albanians Kosovo. The best way to make an ally is to make it that they become a target for their neighbors and need you for their survival. Also, you if you ever do a sexual or similar map, you may wish to give back the area Turkey gave to Bulgaria. IOTL, the agreement about giving more of Dobruja to Bulgaria involved them giving that small area back to the Turks, which made sense as the Turks weren’t getting much if any land out of the war. Plus Dobruja is filled with Turks. And is the border strip not being given to the Germans here? I am unsure what the coloring signifies. Same with the coloring for Venetia and how they and Rome gained land somehow. I am guessing they Asutrians got independence for Rome and a dynasty member in Venetia-Lombardy, and then in another war split the rest of Italy between them? And a Habsburg or Bourbon for Sicily?

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Based upon the Alternate Historian Video, "What if Russia won the Crimean War?' (I think he has an account here but I'm not sure what it is?)

Pretty much Russia with the aid of Austria successfully takes Constaniople winning the Crimean war. Britain faces a revolution and an overthrown of the Monarch.
WW1 Occurded thanks to the Agadir crisis in 1911, leading to an Early WW1 that lasted until 1915. The United States never enter however the Prussians and Italians were able to push the Austrians and Russians into submission and eventual collapses leading to communist revolutions in 1916.
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Huh. The Dominions are just fine with the killing of the (probably powerless) monarch, and there is no trouble in India or in keeping the colonies run by the middle and upper classes? I suppose it is the sort of thing to not be touched on in those sorts of videos, though. Did they explicitly call it a Republic as the title rather than a Commonwealth? Speaking of titles, I can’t help but think Egypt might go for Sultanate, though I suppose it all comes down to how a person translates a title.
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Bog-standard Nazi victory map, but the aesthetic is more Harris' Fatherland type than TNO

(That is, Japan gets beat but the Reich keeps goosestepping along)

plz no bully
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How do the Europeans feel about Mauritania getting so large? Is that the Equatorial League? And what about Tajikistan? I almost feel it might be closer to Pakistan than India, if only for some minor linguistic connections, due to the old Persian links. India just a stronger protector?
B_Munro said:
Planet of the apes Earth before things go to hell for humanity.

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Writeup on my ASB scenarios thread.

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Given the amount of fur, I can’t help but feel the Arabs haven’t fully thought this through.
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Another 'Soviet Union' but created by Italians (and their atomic weapons) sometime between World Wars -

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I am curious. If this map labeled from the viewpoints of the Italians, rather than what lands call themselves? And are any of the states on here in Rome’s or it? Either as allies, tributaries, protectorates, whatever. The ancient Romans did invade and annex most of their allies, which they seemed to have done here as well, so I am guessing people might have trust issues with them, be the Romans Communist, Fascist, Royalist, whatever. And at the bottom of the map, if there a coloring error with South Africa, or is Namibia and the Cape part of a Dominion, while the Boers have their own state?
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Europe after the Central Powers win The Great War.

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Europe after a Central Powers victory by 1Blomma on DeviantArt

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What I find most interesting is the border Blomma gave for Europe here. Plus, looking at it again, Croatia has vanished.
 
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Workable Goblin said:
This is really an inquiry about a map, but does anyone here know of any map series or world building project that explore what the Americas, Africa, and perhaps Australia and Asia might have looked like without colonialism? I was interested in something that sort of hand waved the PoD (because it's really hard to figure out a reasonable PoD), but tried to look seriously at the consequences of no colonization and perhaps only trade taking place. I reckoned if anyone would know if something like this existed, it would be someone on this thread.
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What a weird coincidence I'm making a map of exactly that description (just the New World though) right now!
 
FesteringSpore

FesteringSpore

Clandango said:
How do the Europeans feel about Mauritania getting so large? Is that the Equatorial League? And what about Tajikistan? I almost feel it might be closer to Pakistan than India, if only for some minor linguistic connections, due to the old Persian links. India just a stronger protector?
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Ah, finally, a question!

And the response.

Mauritania is not actually Mauritania, but an ex-French State colony now independent nation called the State of Wagadou renamed in a fit of harkening back to the past; it's one of the few functioning states that emerged from the wreckage of the former Vichy French colonial empire. Europeans don't really feel anything about Wagadou because they can't feel anything other than what Berlin dictates that they feel :p

Wagadou also has a minor naming dispute with Ghana over the state of its name; Ghana claims that it is the real Ghana, Wagadou points out that Ghana was just the title of the emperor of the Ghana empire, which proper name was well, Wagadou.

The Equatorial League was formed out of Vichy France's equatorial colonies and large Cameroon, which the French had turned over to the Germans. However the Germans couldn't really expend that much resources to actually develop Cameroon so it was largely neglected by Berlin, which allowed the SS to come in and essentially turn the country into their private horror show. Come the 90s however, what with Kortzfleisch's rise and all he cut funding to Cameroon in particular to starve the SS out, and essentially hung the place out to dry as the SS ended up facing a revolution by black Africans who took back their country, led by a rather strongly left-nationalist regime which together with some of its neighbors formed the Equatorial League.

Tajikistan speaks Tajik which is in of itself a variety of Persian. However in the game of international realpolitik India is by far the rising power, and accordingly so Tajikistan is kind of their client.
 
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