In this country , it is good to kill an admiral from time to time

Portugal is in for a beating...again. Can they even sustain themselves as a independent nation after this war?

Probably not. Even without a war, Portugal would have been in a sea of troubles...the loss of Brazil hurt a lot, economically and militarily, plus of course the prestige they ceded was not minor.
Portugal by this point if one doesn't count the islands consists of the European remnant plus Angola plus Mozambique. It's not a situation which can last without people going in revolutionary mode.
 
Probably not. Even without a war, Portugal would have been in a sea of troubles...the loss of Brazil hurt a lot, economically and militarily, plus of course the prestige they ceded was not minor.
Portugal by this point if one doesn't count the islands consists of the European remnant plus Angola plus Mozambique. It's not a situation which can last without people going in revolutionary mode.
So, they’re going to become a client state for Britain? Or try and go for France (but the lack of existing political ties should point to Britain)? Geez, no colonies, loss of European territories, war in the homelands...

Let’s see if they could pull a Phoenix (wink wink) and rise from the ashes.
 
So, they’re going to become a client state for Britain? Or try and go for France (but the lack of existing political ties should point to Britain)? Geez, no colonies, loss of European territories, war in the homelands...

Let’s see if they could pull a Phoenix (wink wink) and rise from the ashes.

Client state for Britain is far more likelier at this point than client for France. The French will not be amused by the Spanish war crimes, but they have few ties to the Portuguese and the existence of Brazil reminds them they lost in South America.
Pulling a Phoenix is maybe a bit too optimistic but far stranger things have happened...
 
Client state for Britain is far more likelier at this point than client for France. The French will not be amused by the Spanish war crimes, but they have few ties to the Portuguese and the existence of Brazil reminds them they lost in South America.
Pulling a Phoenix is maybe a bit too optimistic but far stranger things have happened...
Quit getting our hopes up, bro. I like Portugal, but even I know it's going down.

Hey, just curious, what is Russia's population? Out of that, how much of that is loyal (ethnic Russian and ethnic Ukrainian along with other loyal ethnicities)?

Also, why doesn't the UPNG annex Peru?
 
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The Heirs of Drake (Iberian Peninsula 1905-1906)


By December 1905, the Holy Empire of Spain had lost the war of public opinion. To the relief of many Portuguese treasurers, it had not cost them a long and expensive propaganda campaign. The Spanish commanders had done it alone with their atrocities and war crimes.

Part of the reason was the mentality of many Generals sent to the frontlines. The Duke of Granada and the senior officers he had gathered around him were all above fifty years old, and most treated this new war like they had treated the former one. This was a grave error. The world, while far from a peaceful place, was not burning everywhere and there were journalists and neutral parties observing with interest what was happening in the Iberian Peninsula.

Moreover, during the Great War Imperial Spain had been protected in the newspapers by the Entente censorship. This protection had been banished in 1902, and Madrid would realise weeks after the invasion’s start what it really meant.

The Spanish army was not popular in Europe, but even its most vocal opponents in Western and Central Europe didn’t believe Madrid tolerated the loss of discipline the massacres and the ‘food requisitions’ the rumours implied. But by December 1905, the average reader in the streets of Paris, London or Copenhagen was forced to acknowledge that, far from exaggerating the rampage of the Spanish troops, perhaps their envoys on the frontlines were understating the merciless monster hunting the Portuguese militia. The awful revelations spread, and soon the Spanish were presented like the Barbarian hordes which had brought the collapse of the Roman Empire.

Luis III, retrenched in Lisbon, supported this version of events decisively, but as his army was small and his lands under enemy occupation, it was the English expeditionary force which was truly making the real choices on the ground.

Still, many nations broke their diplomatic relationships with Spain when the war crimes were confirmed. Sicily and Tuscany were the first to order their ambassadors to leave Madrid, followed by Ireland, Denmark and Greece. Added to the fact England was already at war and cutting Spain from its Atlantic trade, and the situation wasn’t good for the Holy Empire.

The Duke of Mantua, however, stayed confident of his forces ultimate triumph – at least in public. Some courtiers and captains were whispering behind the scenes that he had to. After the failed Cadiz coup, the Duke was at the same time the Commander of the Spanish land forces and the next best thing to a Prime Minister that Spain had. Since Isabella III was a young girl which had never been authorised to make her own political decisions, Mantua was more or less the Master of Spain in the last months of 1905.

And Mantua believed the war could be won. European Spain in 1904 had around 19.5 million subjects, and even with an Atlantic blockade from the Royal navy, it could count on Southern Andalusia (which had swallowed recently Tunis and the former Italian countryside) and its eight million colonials. Portugal had 4.6 million at best, and while England had 29.2 million, it had massive garrisons in former Scotland and its new German continual acquisition. Spain had far more resources to bring to the battlefield, and once Portugal was gone, Mantua knew he would have his hands free to remodel the peninsula as he wished.

It was the height of his power...and the long climb was now holding on a very shaky ground called Lisbon. If Mantua took the capital of Portugal, the English would abandon the idea of pursuing this conflict and go back to their wet island and his position would be unassailable.

But General Lloyd of the English army counter-attacked on December 22. The counter-attack was preceded by a terrifying barrage of artillery, both from the land guns and the English battleships which had profited from the darkness to approach undisturbed the shores. Even the Spanish veterans from the Great War had not faced such concentrations of firepower.

The English veterans of the Great War were here and they had been taught at a school far harsher and lethal than the one the Spanish had been sent to in 1898. The tactical superiority of the English model was evident from the start, and the English were not alone. Volunteers from Ireland to Poland, demobilised veterans hunting for some income or young men believing in ideals the Great War had turned to ashes, they fought to the Portuguese side.

In these conditions, the Spanish army took a heavy beating and left over fifteen thousand men, dead, wounded or prisoners on the battlefield of Lisbon. Lisbon had not fallen. The Spanish army, like its ancestors involved in the defeat of the Grand Armada, had been beaten by a smaller and more determined English force. The Heirs of Drake had prevailed. Portugal and England had just begun to fight on.

That was for the speeches the recruiters gave to the enthusiastic crowds in Munich, Hamburg, Amsterdam or Liverpool. In reality, the English army had also suffered its fair share of losses and deploying four battleships plus escorts in a war zone for an undetermined period of time was taxing the public finances. For the moment, the offensive spirit was with the English-Portuguese alliance, which by February had secured the Portuguese western and southern coast. Approximately seventy percent of pre-war Portugal was liberated and the Spanish army had lost over fifty thousand men – though many suspected that with their failing logistics and the inefficient bureaucracy, the real casualties were far higher than logistics suggested.

The Duke of Mantua had lost his gamble, and on March 10 1906, he officially lost the commandment of the Army of Lisbon and was ordered to return to Madrid to justify his actions. The fact the message was signed with the Imperial Seal of Isabella III was a crushing blow to the prestige of the Duke. Several Generals, recognising the way the wind was blowing, sent incriminating records that had until then mysteriously been unavailable. Mantua tried to speak to his troops but the tens of thousands infantrymen were exhausted and knew the man had fought against Cadiz and for the Regency, not because he had Spain’s best interests at heart.

The disgraced noble thus arrived as a prisoner accused of high treason in the capital he had believed to be the keystone of his powerbase. History do not tell what feelings the Duke harboured in his heart when he saw the French ambassador leave the throne room – the young Isabella III and the Counts she was now advised by had asked for a conference of peace hosted by her cousin Queen Charlotte II, a request France had accepted.

A cease-fire was proclaimed between Spain and England on March 22 1906. Three days later, the Duke of Mantua was executed by firing squad.
 
Quit getting our hopes up, bro. I like Portugal, but even I know it's going down.

Hey, just curious, what is Russia's population? Out of that, how much of that is loyal (ethnic Russian and ethnic Ukrainian along with other loyal ethnicities)?

Also, why doesn't the UPNG annex Peru?

I will give each nation's population in due time and not before. So have I spoken, so mote it be.

The UPNG doesn't annex Peru because for the same reason a lot of countries don't like being annexed: the Peruvians are proud and have built in the last century their own culture, which doesn't rely on the federalism of the United Provinces. Trying to have more than what they have would certainly rely on a decade-long insurrection the Granadans would need to fight, for no additional gain than the UPNG currently has.
 
My guess France who probably hold a lot of Spain war debt told them to calm down or what you call the spanish economy will grind to a halt if the lack of trades did not kill it already. Regardless with such humiliation how will the spanish regime survive, even if the coup was defeated surely things are far from stable and the army must be disgrunted for having died in another pointless war.
 
Ah! The beginning of the power of the press, poor Spain wasn't ready for it. It will be a hard lesson for the young empress and her country. Will Spain be forced to sell some of her conquests to paid in the hope to save its economy. Still, Portugal was in the wrong even if Spain had made stupid mistakes. We will also discover the new ruler of France Queen Charlotte II. What is the opinion of the people in France, knowing Spain had been an ally in the last war? Are they asking a more coherent foreign politics?
 
That was... quick.

It seems that Isabella III is smart enough to know when to finish. And probably there was going much of international pressure. Spain was losing pretty much all of its diplomatic connections and was in war against one of most powerful nations on the world. Should be total idiot if thinks that can win. And I am pretty sure that Spanish army wa<sn't very great on that point.

But problems of Spain are just beginning. Portugal and England will not be mercyful for Spain. Spain might fall to revolution.
 
Hum, I don’t seems to be getting notification for update? :(

As usual, Spain is a mess, people from northern Spain have never been so happy to get annexed by France :p

Btw, are the 8m people in Southern andalusia Spanish Colonist or native? If they are colonist they probably won’t grumble too much over getting conscripted, if they are native they most likely won’t accept it, both situation have very different effect on Spain power in case of a Total war.
 
That was... quick.

One look at a map and everyone who had a brain at Madrid knew that the opportunity to knock Portugal off the war before the English out of the war in a single offensive was gone. Now any victory was going to be a long war, one Imperial Spain want very much to avoid as they've just fought a mini civil war just after the Great War. And even if they are somehow able to prevail against England one-on-one (which isn't exactly the case for now) there's always the risks other nations decide to jump in the melee...Sicily and Naples aren't exactly going to mourn if there's some part of the Spanish colonial Empire on the auction block.

My guess France who probably hold a lot of Spain war debt told them to calm down or what you call the spanish economy will grind to a halt if the lack of trades did not kill it already. Regardless with such humiliation how will the spanish regime survive, even if the coup was defeated surely things are far from stable and the army must be disgrunted for having died in another pointless war.

Not to mention the French have the largest European frontier with Spain and if one fifth of the regiments France keeps stationed on the continent are brought south, it's a question of when, not if, the French will march in the streets of Madrid...
But yes, there's going to be a lot of internal agitation in Spain.

Ah! The beginning of the power of the press, poor Spain wasn't ready for it. It will be a hard lesson for the young empress and her country. Will Spain be forced to sell some of her conquests to paid in the hope to save its economy. Still, Portugal was in the wrong even if Spain had made stupid mistakes. We will also discover the new ruler of France Queen Charlotte II. What is the opinion of the people in France, knowing Spain had been an ally in the last war? Are they asking a more coherent foreign politics?

Spain is going to probably try to hold on its colonies...it's not like a lot of nations are interested at the idea of ruling tens of thousands 'Holy Spanish' with a conception of religion and absolute monarchism which exists nowhere else. And yes, Portugal was also in the wrong, so there is enough of blame to throw around for everyone...

As for France, most of the population having some long-term political view know that allying with Spain for the Great War was a necessary evil. No one was too fond of Spain in 1897, but every regiment which would have been sent to Catalonia and beyond was one which would be missed against the Saxons...

It seems that Isabella III is smart enough to know when to finish. And probably there was going much of international pressure. Spain was losing pretty much all of its diplomatic connections and was in war against one of most powerful nations on the world. Should be total idiot if thinks that can win. And I am pretty sure that Spanish army wa<sn't very great on that point.

But problems of Spain are just beginning. Portugal and England will not be mercyful for Spain. Spain might fall to revolution.

Yeah. No ally, the promise to have more enemies piling in with the war took too long and England was already handing them several defeats. With improved communications in the modern age, it takes a real delusional man to not see the evidence in front of the palace.

Portugal is increasingly side-lined. But one has to remember it's a cease-fire. If the terms are too bad, Spain can always return to the battlefield.

Hum, I don’t seems to be getting notification for update? :(

As usual, Spain is a mess, people from northern Spain have never been so happy to get annexed by France :p

Btw, are the 8m people in Southern andalusia Spanish Colonist or native? If they are colonist they probably won’t grumble too much over getting conscripted, if they are native they most likely won’t accept it, both situation have very different effect on Spain power in case of a Total war.

It happens sometimes...

You mean you don't consider it an honour to serve the Holy Empress, Regent of God on Earth? Guards! Take this heretic to the pyres...

About four million people are Spanish colonists and one more million have been living under Spanish rule for so long the domination of Madrid is the normal state of affairs for them. The rest...might get ideas.
 
Hey, how is Chuan China doing? I actually feel bad for them since the Central Alliance screwed them over, and the fact that they were one of 2 central alliance members to technically win in the Great War made them one of my favorite players. I hope they conquer the rest of those Wu idiots.

Great update, btw.
 
I hope Charlotte show her who is boss in the Bourbon dynasty.
Maybe they will make Spain a puppet or even a sort of territory. It will be 19.5 million people (27.5 million including Southern Al-Andalusia) who will be put to better use in an empire that is much bigger, much richer (both overall and per capita), and far more powerful and influential.


Vive Le France!!!!!!


Also, 29.2 million people? That's about 1 million less than England IOTL. Just saying.
 
Hey, how is Chuan China doing? I actually feel bad for them since the Central Alliance screwed them over, and the fact that they were one of 2 central alliance members to technically win in the Great War made them one of my favorite players. I hope they conquer the rest of those Wu idiots.

Great update, btw.

They are recovering quite well, though their policy to rely as little as they can on any foreign help is somewhat decreasing the rate of rebuilding.
The Chuan could conquer the Wu easily right now; the North was only able to survive in the Great War thanks to Russian and other nations' support. Now after years of civil war and terrible strife, it would be a walk-over. But then the Chuan administration would have to entirely rebuild their neighbours and fight a counter-insurrection campaign for half a decade.

Huh. So Isabella is going to meet Charlotte. Please, do tell me more (the most interesting family meeting in the world).

Well it will be the next update...;)

I hope Charlotte show her who is boss in the Bourbon dynasty.

In terms of population and influence, there's really no contest. France has just showed the world who was the boss (France, and certainly not the Central Alliance or the European Union) and Spain has enormous difficulties doing more than a stalemate against Portugal and England in its backyard...

Maybe they will make Spain a puppet or even a sort of territory. It will be 19.5 million people (27.5 million including Southern Al-Andalusia) who will be put to better use in an empire that is much bigger, much richer (both overall and per capita), and far more powerful and influential.


Vive Le France!!!!!!


Also, 29.2 million people? That's about 1 million less than England IOTL. Just saying.

Puppet sounds far better than territory. The Italian lands annexed were far closer in culture, economy and social order to France than Spain is.

Yes, but here 'England' includes the Scottish territory just taken at the end of the Great War. And there was some emigration from the continent to the British Isles.
Vive La France!
 
Empresses of the West (Western Europe 1902-1906)


When Louis XVIII of France died at the end of the Great War, his subjects had thought it would be Louis XIX succeeding him on the throne. But the Dauphin had been extremely ill for the last year, and despite the advice of his father’s ministers, refused to be crowned, declaring to his wife and his allies it was best not to waste an extravagant sum of money when it was a certainty he was not going to last until next months. The Bourbon Prince was, unfortunately for him, completely right and died seven days after Louis XVIII. Since his cadet brother Gaston was already dead and buried – the Prince had been wounded during a trench inspection and the infection had killed him when he returned to Versailles – it was the third child of Louis XVIII who inherited.

On January 1 1903, Charlotte of Bourbon, Great Duchess of Québec, Pondicherry and Aquitaine, was crowned in the Cathedral of Rheims Queen Charlotte II of France.

For the quasi-totality of the political parties represented in the National Assembly, this was not welcome news. They had over a decade to work with the future Louis XIX, and in the first place the Dauphin had not been a very authoritarian aristocrat. In fact, Prince Louis had manifested several times his intention for the French monarchy to devolve some of its executive powers to the Assembly. Prince Gaston had been a less palatable option, of course, but Prince Gaston was dead. The political factions were forced to deal with a young woman of twenty-three summers, and from the very beginning Charlotte II made sure they understood she was not a Louis XIX.

The National Assembly and the current ‘Patriotic Union’ had not been exactly brilliant coping with the return of millions of soldiers to their homes. Given the size of the French armies, it had been probably unavoidable but the rivalries between Whites, Blues and Reds politicians had made everything worse. Charlotte II didn’t tolerate this, and several Red representatives who had argued for armed insurrection found themselves on ships bound for Antipodea.

The Reign of Steel had begun, and the veterans and the decreasing ranks of the army cheered and supported without reservation their new Queen. A combined industrial and public works plan was established and several multi-millionaires who had abused the state’s generosity lost their fortune and were condemned to lengthy prison sentences.

This renewal of the monarchic power fractured the National Assembly. Where before there had been three great parties (White, Blue and Red) plus a few independents, there were now six major and at least a dozen minor ones. For the inheritors of the Great Parliament, this was the equivalent of a political cataclysm...and Charlotte II continued to fuel the fires as they burned bright.

On March 1904, the Queen of France declared a referendum would be submitted to the population of every land officially recognised as part of the Bourbon home and colonial sphere. The Kingdom of France, triumphant from the Great War, had accomplished its mission, but now new challenges on the world stage awaited and the millions of French living in North America, India and Egypt had proved their loyalty beyond doubt. It was time for France to decide if it truly wanted to become the Empire its conquests and victories granted it the right to be. The National Assembly would become the Imperial Assembly, and for the first time all the ‘colonial’ provinces would be truly represented.

Many high nobles gritted their teeth in anger, understanding that since the number of seats was only slightly increasing and the number of Queen-appointed nobles and clerics stayed the same, the difference had to come from somewhere and they were the prime target. They were right. Several hours-long speeches from Charlotte II and her new ministerial appointees heavily criticised the decadent behaviour certain segments of the French society who had stayed in their palaces and played the fools while millions of men bled and died in Germany, Mysore, or in Louisiana.

The referendum was more a plebiscite than a true electoral contest. Charlotte II won the public support in a thunderous ninety-five percent of the votes, and on May 1905, became officially Empress Charlotte I of France. As historians were still unsure if Moscow was in Asia or not, this placed her above every King and Queen of Europe...not that there had been much doubt in the first place. The two insurrection attempts in the Italian annexed lands were crushed with ruthless energy, but the Queen visited and promised in the aftermath industrial support for the local firms, provided they aligned on French norms and work legislation. The fact Milan, Turin and other major cities saw the opening of the first all-French schools that year was no coincidence at all.

The internal affairs temporarily quietened, France was free to look outwards once more and of course the war in the Iberian Peninsula attracted a lot of attention. The meeting between the two Empresses took place in the town of Andorra, which for some time had achieved some fame by being an independent principality between the two realms before it was encircled and finally annexed.

The meeting was not a week the Spanish nobles who had accompanied Isabella III would remember with fondness. While Empress Charlotte seemed to warm up to her cousin, the advices of the sovereign who was arguably the most powerful on Earth by 1906 were not the ones they had wanted. Charlotte II insisted each country had to follow its own course and its own interests...and that the Spanish nobility had to be controlled or destroyed, for they were few and the Spanish people many.

In purely diplomatic terms, neither the Portuguese nor the Spanish left Andorra with smiles on their visages. Spain agreed to pay war reparations for the destruction and murders committed in Portugal, but Portugal had to recognise starting the war in the first place had been their fault. The signatories endorsed the return to the pre-war frontiers. The Duke of Cadiz was to be transferred in Spanish custody – though the coup mastermind evaded the dubious vigilance of his Portuguese captors and fled to the Americas. Luis III abdicated his crown to his first cousin, who took the name Luis IV. On the terrain, the sums delivered by the Spanish treasury were not a third of what was necessary to erase Lisbon’s woes. Portugal had fought a war it could not afford without Brazil, and the country was ruined. Practically, Luis IV was now a puppet of the London bankers and the African colonies of Angola and Mozambique began to be directly ruled from London, although the influx of Portuguese emigrants fleeing the prospect of a Spanish return made sure Portuguese was still the official language in these distant territories. The Holy Empire of Spain, on its side, had several social upheavals to struggle with...
 
Well, talk about a change in path :eek:
Also, Finally Empire! How did the people in the colonies take it?
Elated? A sovereign tends to distribute power more fairly then a elected base. I should think that the army is backing her 100 percent as well sooo...
 
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