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So Britain ended up taking no territory in the peace settlement during the war of 1812, what would it take for Britain to extract territorial (and other) concessions from the Americans in 1812?
Some combination of Plattsburgh, Baltimore and winning in the old Northwest.
France losing more quickly.
By the time Napoleon was twice-defeated, the British were sick of war; they could have kept the War of 1812 going, they almost assuredly could have eventually 'won' to the point of claiming territory, but there was absolutely no interest in doing so. The British public just wanted to go back to making money hand over fist through trade, and the issues cheesing the Americans off were mostly already resolved, so they took the white peace.
Of course, the flip side is that if France is defeated more quickly, the War of 1812 might not even happen.
Or just keeping the blockade on and thereby crushing the US economy. This would require either an extremely pissed off UK, for whatever reason, or an extended war with France.
Um... you do know the peace treaty had already been signed by the time of the battle, right?Winning conclusively the Battle Of New Orleans.
Yep again. The Western Boarder of the USA may have stopped at the Mississippi and Missouri rivers. Let's not forget the British Navy still had the transport capacity to sail thousands of troops up the Mississippi. Well worth ignoring a side show treaty with the Colonials. And ... what could the USA have done about it?
Let's not forget the British Navy still had the transport capacity to sail thousands of troops up the Mississippi
Indeed. The US was a massive trading partner with the UK to the extent that actually grabbing land would be of little use.The most that was possible was the Ohio River Valley...which would have required considerably better British performance than in OTL. A more reasonable gain would be resolution of a few border disputes...which honestly for the British is a lot of work expended for very little gain. And that gain would be overbalanced by long-standing American ill-will.
For Britain, America's friendship is worth more than bit of remote land.
Transport vessels. Not rare not used ship of the line 74 gun warships. British Frigates and Sloops escorting transports would have had no problems navigating the Mississippi. The commanding General, (or likely Admiral) of the British invasion fleet would probably have acted on his own authority. The prize is worth the risk. England knew the USA had bought the Louisiana Purchase from the French. England wanted to stop USA western expansion. Had the British conclusively won the Battle of New Orleans there was practically nothing standing in their way to push north. England had the ships. England had the army. Very interesting question and thank you.
What risk? The issue isn't whether they'd succeed or not, but if some territorial gain is worth the stain on Britain's diplomatic reputation. And once they take the land how are they going to keep America settlers out of it?