How can European countries be made to go down the path of South-American countries (Brazil, Paraguay, Peru...) and encourage Japanese/Korean/Chinese immigration, most commonly with the motive of helping local economies with an influx of hard-working people?
AHC: European countries with significant East-Asian population
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Maintain German ties with Nationalist China, Hitler gets gored to death by a mountain goat post-anschluss.
Germany under Goering/Himmler/Hess/von Brauchitsch/anybody realises that Molotov-Ribbentrop is a losing proposition and decides to change direction, guaranteeing Polish borders along with Britain and France and doing quite a lot of exchange programs with the Czech and Polish military but not funding the OTL military buildup, but maintaining ties with Chiang and not Japan.
Long story short, European war is Poland/Germany/Baltics vs USSR, former's focus is on liberating Ukraine and Belarus without all the OTL Nazi evil. Anglo-French loans keep the war going out of a mix of desires to crush Communism and see Germany bleed respectively. War ends with Soviet collapse west of Urals (no Winter War experience and terribad purged officer corps, plus gleeful celebratory liberating troops strewing flowers and chocolate for small children).
Western liberal democracies fund Eastern Europe buildup but German industry needs more workers and so takes in large Chinese migrant community familiar with German cadre and technology because that's where lots of the post-war surplus goes and as KMT corruption, Japanese nationalist/militarist campaigns, and Maoist anti-intellectualist terror takes its toll an awful lot of educated/middle-class entrepreneurially-ambitious Chinese emigrés move to Nazi Germany.
Germany under Goering/Himmler/Hess/von Brauchitsch/anybody realises that Molotov-Ribbentrop is a losing proposition and decides to change direction, guaranteeing Polish borders along with Britain and France and doing quite a lot of exchange programs with the Czech and Polish military but not funding the OTL military buildup, but maintaining ties with Chiang and not Japan.
Long story short, European war is Poland/Germany/Baltics vs USSR, former's focus is on liberating Ukraine and Belarus without all the OTL Nazi evil. Anglo-French loans keep the war going out of a mix of desires to crush Communism and see Germany bleed respectively. War ends with Soviet collapse west of Urals (no Winter War experience and terribad purged officer corps, plus gleeful celebratory liberating troops strewing flowers and chocolate for small children).
Western liberal democracies fund Eastern Europe buildup but German industry needs more workers and so takes in large Chinese migrant community familiar with German cadre and technology because that's where lots of the post-war surplus goes and as KMT corruption, Japanese nationalist/militarist campaigns, and Maoist anti-intellectualist terror takes its toll an awful lot of educated/middle-class entrepreneurially-ambitious Chinese emigrés move to Nazi Germany.
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The famous deadly mountain goat!
This is a bit OTL in France. During WWI, many workers from Indochina came to France to work in the factories (Ho Chi Minh among them) and many more came after the Independance. There's now a fairly large community of them in France
A non-hostile Russia and an internationally owned Suez Canal might improve links to Europe and East Asia, Russia being the connection by air and rail and Suez by sea (Suez being cheaper with Egypt not nationalizing it). A world war that kills a significant portion of Eastern Europe but still sees the triumph of liberal democracy there might then create immigration policy to boost the young population back up to pre-war levels, with East Asia being the most natural source, Africa and South Asia being more connected to Western Europe.
Eastern Europe seeing a lot of Asians settling in would be fun. My mind is awash with possible language variations that could happen.
Yes and no, IIRC they were treated as British subjects but didn't receive full citizenship or rights. Over the years things changed, and right towards the end the government introduced a new class to essentially stop large numbers of locals from moving to the UK after the handover. Not exactly our finest hour. @Sargon could tell you some tales about the joys of British nationality law.
This does seem like the easiest option for the UK.
Never going to happen. The lease on the New Territories was up—with Hong Kong Island and Kowloon being non-viable without them—so legally they wouldn't have a leg to stand on if they tried to do so unilaterally, and no Chinese government Nationalist or Communist would agree to ceding it. Even if Britain hadn't felt that good relations with China were more important than retaining the colony all the Chinese would have to do was their own version of the Green March and it would have fallen into their lap whilst Britain looked the villain of the piece.
Sure, but Hong Kong population is relatively small (and not all would emigrate) and OP wants significant populations.
Russia is obvious candidate, having Central Asia under her control and land borders with China and Korea.
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My thinking was the lease on the New Territories be in perpetuity as opposed to just 100 years.
Even if the New Territories were ceded in perpetuity like Hong Kong Island and Kowloon rather than granted as a 99 year lease that doesn't guarantee integration. IIRC the colony was financially self-supporting so Britain got a handy piece of land at no cost, if Britain were to integrate it then all the legislation that would now apply would cause costs to shoot up, it would also open the door to mass movement between the two. Neither of those are things which are really attractive to a UK government.
What does "significant" mean? Because East Asian people are definitely visible in my part of town...
For Germany- it would be around 1 million and more. Vibrant culture, unique combination of ancestral language with German, maybe they could bring indigenous religion with them and popularize it in their new homeland, etc.
Well, statistically there are 900,000 Asian people here, including India and Sri Lanka but excluding Afghanistan and Pakistan. However, they have no common ethnic identity, as that covers everything from Tamil war refugees (came in the '70s, never went home, no one cares) to the Düsseldorf Japanese (6,500 people and often transient, but somehow there's an actual Japantown in Düsseldorf). Largest subgroups seem to be the Chinese and Vietnamese, with around 180,000 people each.
A better bet might be the Czech Republic, since the Vietnamese are the largest and most visible immigrant community there; there are no reliable statistics, but they're estimated to be about 2% of the population, which would probably satisfy your criteria. (Well, technically the Slovaks are the largest minority, but are you an immigrant when you're in the capital of your country of birth?)
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Looks like there's about 350.000 Vietnamese in France. Since it's illegal to do ethnic statistics, I'm not sure how many generations down the line it would take into account, which is important since the diaspora has been there quite a long time.
That's not counting Laotian (140.000) and Cambodian (80k) or even Chinese...
That's not counting Laotian (140.000) and Cambodian (80k) or even Chinese...
How much do these people still cherish the Vietnamese language or dialects?