As I said not to the same extent. Though I'd be happy to be corrected by those more theologically inclined.No schisms? What about Sunni/Shia, the various schools (Hanafi, Hanbali, Malaki...)?
As I said not to the same extent. Though I'd be happy to be corrected by those more theologically inclined.No schisms? What about Sunni/Shia, the various schools (Hanafi, Hanbali, Malaki...)?
Firmly separated
It's a really big topic which I don't think I'd be adequately able to summarize in a dissertation length write up let alone a single post, but here's a wiki article which serves as a decent primer:Could you elaborate?
Your definition of "the only arabic regions of the middle east" includes all of the Middle East sans Iran, Cyprus, and Turkey...--The "Islamic golden age" occurred under arab rule, most of the middle east hates arabs, the only arabic regions of the middle east are the fertile crescent (mesopotamia + levant), Arabian Peninsula, and North Africa.
Admittedly, it could be mostly for the Islamic West, I know I've tendency to generalize some aspects from the region : but at least in Maghrib and Ifriqiya, and from what I understood partially the case in Andalus and Misr, differenciation between schools was as much a matter of identity than content, and some influences on Maghrib's malikism were attributed by Abdallah Laroui to sh'ia teachings. An influence that was probably not that assumed, I agree.@LSCatilina To what degree do you claim the distinction between Ahl Sunnah wa-Jama’ah between Shi’a was lower than today? The evidence points to the exact opposite...
Yea I know, lol.Your definition of "the only arabic regions of the middle east" includes all of the Middle East sans Iran, Cyprus, and Turkey...
If by packed you mean "contains some minority communities of ...", also two of the groups you mentioned are Arabs.Yea I know, lol.
But even then only egypt is really "arabic" in North Africa, Not to mention the fertile crescent is still packed with Kurds, Assyrians, Jews, Lebanese Christians, Arabic Christians, and even some Persians. So technically what I mean is Arabian Peninsula + Egypt + the inner part of the Fertile Crescent, which is 99% desert with abysmal population.
Splice off Islam from state early on. Any sort of scientific discovery which could endanger a part of the quran would result in the said discoverer would be marked as an apostate and executed, or simply ignored and shut down if nonmuslim. Such extremism made people disinterested in scientific method beyond recreating already discovered tech
Similar things happened in europe too, but the vaguer descriptions in the bible probably helped stop that
This "mongol destroyed Islamic golden age" myth needs to go, Baghdad was declining in size well before the Mongols dealt the last big blow, also we have no evidence of them killing "90% of the population".I'm surprised at how unknowledgeable people are on this site are.
The Muslim world began to lose its lead following the sack of Baghdad and the Mongol invasion of Persia, during which up to 90% of the population was massacred. The region was the most important source of influential people during the Islamic Golden Age, contrary to the opinion of some people that it was a period of Arab dominance.
- al-Maarri, an Arab atheist who lived in Baghdad, dying at ripe age of 83 of natural causes.
- Maimonides, a Jewish polymath who became influential even among Muslims.
- Averroes, an Andalusian philosopher who held atypical views, eventually becoming the Chief Judge of Cordoba.
This "mongol destroyed Islamic golden age" myth needs to go, Baghdad was declining in size well before the Mongols dealt the last big blow, also we have no evidence of them killing "90% of the population".
That definitely did a lot of damage, but I think the gap between Europe and the Middle East was narrowing before then. Certainly by the mid 1100s Europe was home to its own vibrant and growing scholastic scene.The Muslim world only began to lose its lead following the sack of Baghdad and the Mongol invasion of Persia, during which up to 90% of the population was massacred.
Baghdad in 1258 was still larger than every European city during the Renaissance, and it still had massive potential as a center of learning. In regards to Persia, even if the percentage does not reach 90%, it cannot be denied that the Mongols destroyed massive tracts of Persia, depopulating the area, and in general causing havoc. This is all in addition to the Black Death (decimating 30% of the population), and then Timur's conquests (killing 17 million people), which both passed through in quick succession.
Admittedly, it could be mostly for the Islamic West, I know I've tendency to generalize some aspects from the region : but at least in Maghrib and Ifriqiya, and from what I understood partially the case in Andalus and Misr, differenciation between schools was as much a matter of identity than content, and some influences on Maghrib's malikism were attributed by Abdallah Laroui to sh'ia teachings. An influence that was probably not that assumed, I agree.
Exactly, that makes perfect sense. Even in the early Ottoman Empire, it was much better to be a Jew in Istanbul than it was to be one in Madrid.I'm surprised at how unknowledgeable people are on this site are.
The Muslim world only began to lose its lead following the sack of Baghdad and the Mongol invasion of Persia, during which up to 90% of the population was massacred. The region was the most important source of influential people during the Islamic Golden Age, contrary to the opinion of some people that it was a period of Arab dominance. Prevent the rise of the Mongol Empire and Baghdad may have been the foremost place of invention and innovation in the Old World.
- al-Maarri, an Arab atheist who lived in Baghdad, dying at ripe age of 83 of natural causes.
- Maimonides, a Jewish polymath who became influential even among Muslims.
- Averroes, an Andalusian philosopher who held atypical views, eventually becoming the Chief Judge of Cordoba.
Source on that? As far as I know Baghdad in 1250 was barely bigger than Paris, and Italian cities during this time were quite big and there were multiple number of them.Baghdad in 1258 was still larger than every European city during the Renaissance, and it still had massive potential as a center of learning. In regards to Persia, even if the percentage does not reach 90%, it cannot be denied that the Mongols destroyed massive tracts of Persia, depopulating the area, and in general causing havoc. This is all in addition to the Black Death (decimating 30% of the population), and then Timur's conquests (killing 17 million people), which both passed through in quick succession.