What pods and events would allow the Vatican City to be based in the city of Jerusalem?
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The Templars and the Hospitallers were orders under the Pope
Troops and leaders for Jerusalem came from England, France, Italy, Germany, Austria -i.e. the Catholic monarchies
If the Pope relocated to Jerusalem it would be as a Catholic monarch not an Orthodox one. Orthodoxy lost Jerusalem to the Muslims, Catholicism retook it
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Grey Wolf
I'm confused...
Do we want the pope, as in, the Roman pope, to have his seat in Jerusalem?
Or are we looking at an entirely different Christianity where its center is in Jerusalem?
With the first one, I'm going to have to agree with Timaeus on it causing a schism. But if we're looking at a world in which Western Christianity is never centered in Rome, then we need to butterfly Islam, which is perfectly easy (Muhammad got kicked in the chest by a horse as a boy and died). That would be a very different world indeed, though.
I'm confused...
Do we want the pope, as in, the Roman pope, to have his seat in Jerusalem?
I see that marginally viable after 1900 (but probably requiring an earlier POD). The scenario is like this: the Ottoman Empire collapses in a war similar to WWI, but the Powers go for International Palestine and Interconfessional Jerusalem. Then, something akin to Fascism takes power in Italy, except this ideology is rabidly anti-Christian (which would be consistent with much historical Fascism, were it even trying to be somewhat consistent). Somehow this regime manages to hold onto power in Italy notheless (that's here that probably a pre 1900 is needed, with an even more antagonistic relationship between the Italian state and the Papacy as the background). As a result, the Church is committedly in the anti-Fascist camp and when *WWII comes, it supports the *Allies from the start. Italy is neutral here, but makes gestures, and exiling the Papacy is one. The Pope decides to go to Jerusalem because of its international status and religious significance. Post-War the nasty regime in Italy remains there, Franco-style, owing to its neutrality, and/or some Pope decides that indeed Jerusalem is a better seat (the latter probably requires a Council and may cause a minor schism).
Well, it only woud work if this Vatican is located only in the Christian quarter. Can you imagine the Temple Mount as a Catholic site in a post-1900 TL? Also, I don't think that the other Christian denominations would be very keen to answer to the Pope when they want to access holy sites or relics...
You may not be able to achieve this with the bishop of Rome, but you could have something similar to vatican city emerge.
Say that there is a successful crusade the establishes a stable, long lasting, Catholic Kingdom of Jerusalem. It isn't impossible that a Catholic Patriarch of Jerusalem could emerge, and whilst subservient to Rome, is granted sovereignty over parts of Jerusalem,be it the Catholic Quarter, or as part of a reorganisation of the city to allow the church to operate in its own palace. (This could be a bribe by the King of Jerusalem to encourage the Patriarch to petition the Pope for something, maybe reinforcements from Europe).
Whilst this isn't THE Vatican city, it could be something similar to OTL Vatican city, but created earlier in an ATL.
What pods and events would allow the Vatican City to be based in the city of Jerusalem?
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