Carthaginian victory up to the present day

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hi everyone. for a while now i have been working on a timeline that involves carthage winning the second punic war, and the events that follow up to the present day. this is the first time i have written this timeline and it is also my first timeline. Criticisizm is welcome so i can make this scenario accurate.

anyways:

The Battle of the Metaurus was a pivotal battle in the Second Punic War between Rome and Carthage, fought in 207 BC near the Metaurus River in Italy.
The Carthaginians were led by Hannibal's brother Hasdrubal Barca who was supposed to bring the siege equipment and reinforcements needed in order for Hannibal to defeat Rome. The Roman armies were led by the consuls Marcus Livius, who would later be nicknamed the Salinator, and Gaius
Claudius Nero had just fought Hannibal in Grumentum, some hundreds kilometers south of the Metaurus river, and reached Marcus Livius with a forced march which went unnoticed by both Hannibal and Hasdrubal, so that the Carthaginians suddenly found themselves outnumbered.

What if Hasdrubal had been able to sneak past these two consular armies and successfully join Hannibal in his siege of Rome?

207 BC: Hasdrubal has just reached Rome, with his siege engines and reinforcements swelling Hannibals army, The Siege of Rome starts. The two consular armies to the northeast rush to engage Hannibal and the first battle of Rome starts. Hannibal being Hannibal results in a victorious battle and the capturing of the two consuls. A desperate Rome recalls Publius Scipio from Africa to defend his homeland.

6 Months later Publius arrives in Italy, the siege is going well. Hannibal awaits Scipio's army. Three days later the Second Battle of Rome begins, and a historical victory takes place. Just as all hope seems lost for Hannibals army, Publius uses a Cannae type tactic slowly encircling Hannibals army, all of a sudden Hasdrubal charges his Iberian cavlary from the behind breaking the army in two and creating panic and confusion in the Roman army. Hannibal orders his left and right flank to break off from eachother and encircle each side of the Roman army. Hannibal wins and takes Scipio captive. Hannibal offers peace, but Scipio reluctantly refuses stating there will be no peace with savage barbarians.

The Siege of Rome continues and in 9 months the city walls break and intense street fighting begins. Hannibal in honor of his oath he took as a boy orders the city to be set ablaze. It is said that as the city burned Hannibal sat next to his brother as he stated that this was the finest moment in all of his life. With the Roman Republic officially dissolved, a fierce guerilla war started, with its leader as Fabius Maximus the Delayer.

Hannibal and his brother set out towards Neapolis in hope to finally convince the city to join him. Fabius beats him there. The Battle of Neapolis starts and Fabius created a great strategy that many historians agree would have worked if the legions he was commanding weren't a bunch of underly trained new recruits. Hannibal wins the battle but Fabius retreats without loosing too many men. Fabius retreats to Ancona where the finally promised army from Macedonia arrives to reinforce Hannibal's army. As Fabius attempts to retreat into the sea by a Roman fleet vowing he will return, he is ambushed by Macedonian quinqueremes. The battle of Ancona starts, the legionaries loaded on the ships are forced to fight a naval battle while the ones still fleeing are forced to engage Hannibal's army in the city. Fabius could not afford to lose but his army was vastly outnumbered and his fleet was mostly composed of none military galleys.

In the end the dream of Rome was officially destroyed and the remant of the Republic was wiped out the following year, through a series of sieges and city fights. After Italy was taken care of Hannibal went back to Iberia and fell like the wrath of god upon the Iberians, he ensured they would never think to abandon Carthage again. His youngest brother Mago sent an army to Sicily where an agreement with the King of Syracuse, led to a jointly operated army that retook control of Sicily.

Hannibal returned to Carthage to see a group of grief srticken senators of the Hundred and Four where he demanded that the Aristocracy be disbanded or a use of force wil be used.

Hannibal himself claims that although he hated Rome, he greatly admired their political system. He hoped to modela new Carthaginian Empire off of the Roman political system. He first removed the Hundred and Four from power, and in admiration for Greek democracy, created a Senate and a Sophet, quite like that of a Parliamentary Democracy. Secondly he decentralized the Carthaginian capital and gave other region more voice in the empires government. And thirdly he kept the mercenary armies but created a citizen soldier empire, this was greatly despised by wealthy plantation owners such as Hanno the Great.

During this time there was two great parties that were strikingly different from eachother. The peace party promoted the old ways and the development of the economy led by Hanno The Great. The war party was led by Hannibal and promoted the expansion of the empire and the new reforms brought on by Hannibal.

Two goals were sought by each party. The Peace Party's goal was to restart the exploration led by Hanno The Navigator, and set up a colony on the Niger River to start mining gold. The War Party's goal was to attack Eygpt and gain the fertile Nile River. In the end the senate approved both objectives although underly funded. The New Colony along the Niger River was named Hananago, and Hannibal allied himself with Antiochus III of Seleucidia and got together an army to invade Eygpt...

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200 B.C. Egypt- Hannibal crosses North Africa with 70,000 men, 40,000 of them newly trained citizen soldiers and the rest were mercenaries of various areas. He leads his soldiers to Cyrene, and in 7 months he captures the city. A small egyptian force of about 20,00 men takes up strong fortifications along the strait Hannibal must pass to get to Alexandria. The battle of Paraitonion ensues and the fortification do well. Hannibal wins the battle but at great cost. The Eygptian army loses up to 10,000 men and Hannibal suffers a loss of 50,000 men, most of them mercenaries. Meanwhile on the east side of Eygpt Antiochus's army is being held up by a series of raids and heavy fortifications.

200 B.C. May- Hannibal decides to carry on with his small force and presses towards Alexandria. On his way he has a small skirmish with the force that caused him so much damage, he learns the name of the ruler, Pamopotep Pictus, a local native Eygptian general. Hannibal wins again and forces Pamotep's army to retreat once again. He finally reaches Alexandria which causes the armies fighting Antiochus to turn and protect their capital. Pamotep's army is reinforced to 35,000, and he turns once again to face Hannibal.

200 B.C. July- Hannibal and Pamotep clash at the Battle of Alexandria. Hannibal attempts to encircle the Eygptian army by cutting his force in half, this proves to be fatal, Hannibal's army is crushed and he is left with only 7,000 troops. He flees Alexandria and calls Carthage for reinforcements. He takes refuge in the conquered city of Paraitonion. Antiochus's army has more trouble but manages to capture the city of Al' Arish.

200 B.C. September- Hannibal's reinforcements arrive and his army swells to 47,000. He returns to Alexandria and begins laying siege. Pamotep returns and the Second battle of Alexandria ensues. Hannibal this time uses his superior numbers in a reverse cannae fashion, encircling and slaughtering Pamoteps army. Pamotep once again escapes with a meager 2,000 men. Hannibal's siegegoes well on for 9 months and finally the city walls are breached and intense street to street fighting occurs. Finally an agreement is reached with Ptolemy V of Eygpt. If his country swear allegiance to Carthage, he would give him a voice in their republic and they would not be treated as a conquered nation. Ptolemy realizes the potential of this offer and agrees. Only a few cities back Ptolemy up however and a guerilla war continues.
 

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I like it. If you can, as you claim, realistically follow this up to the present day I will be very, very impressed.
 
ive already made a series of events in my head up to the present day its just me convincing myself to actually write it down is the hard part
 
200 B.C. December- The treaty of Alexandria states that all lands west of the nile river go to Carthage and all lands east
of it go to Seleucidia. Due to internal uprisings and rebellions Antiochus III decides to pull out of the war. Hannibal and
Pamotep join their armies together to take the rebelling cities. During this conquest Hannibal starts the famous Nile Conquest,
which is one of the major events that decided history.
In West Africa there is constant rebellion in the colony of Hananago. rebel soldiers raid towns and distrupt trade.

199 B.C. Egypt- The battle of Pselchis starts, the last rebelling city, with Hannibal the victor. In this battle Hannibal gives his son
Hamilcar control of some of his units. Hamilcar proves to be a worthy general like his father mostly because of his military training.
After Pselchis falls there is talk in the Carthaginian senate that Hannibal will go to West Africa to settle the rebellions there.
Against the senates wishes Hannibal doesnt stop with Egypt and continues down the Nile to attack the weak state of Meroe.

Italy- The Carthaginian province of Italy is flourishing under the rule of Hannibal's brother Hasdrubal. So far no rebellions or
Neo-Romans resurgencies have appeared because Hasdrubal has given more power to the pre-roman cities and encouraged
native languages. The Capital city of Capua is the financial hub of the growing agricultural market. Hasdrubal has also started
building the famous Alpine Line. Due to constant barbarian attacks a series of forts have been constructed along the Alps. A
standing force of 100,000 is going to be guarding the entrance to Italy, mostly mercenaries but also citizen-soldiers. Hasdrubal
has also increased relations with the many tribes of Gaul, trading with them and even incorporating some of them into the
Carthaginian Empire.

Iberia- Mago Barca conquers all of Spain. He enters a system of tribes that do not rebel, are able to participate in Carthaginian
politics a decade later, any rebelling tribes will continue to be oppressed. Mago also begins trading with the British Isles and
setting up trading outposts further increasing Carthaginian influence.

198 B.C. West Africa- The situation in Hananago gets much more serious when a province of the colony, Dahela, breaks away.
The leader, Mboleko Sosele leads his troops to raid villages of food. The Carthaginian senate demands that Hannibal return from
Nubia. Hannibal instead sends his son to Hananago. Although a suitable general himself, a direct violation of an order leads the
senate to believe in the Peace Parties preachings that Hannibal is corrupt and neads to be removed from power.

Nubia- Hannibal besieges the city of Meroe, destroying the Moroe civilization. Carthage begins trading with Ethiopia, introducing
many crops never heard of before to Sub-Saharan Africa. This changes Africa forever.

197 B.C. West Africa- Hamilcar leads his forces against Mboleko's army. Mboleko proves to be too strong and Hamilcar is pushed
back.

Gaul- The city of Massilia revokes all ties with Carthage. Hasdrubal leads a force to the city. The Massilian war begins.

196 B.C.- Hannibal returns to Carthage to raise his new son Mandargo, he plays an important role in Carthaginian politics,
fighting back the claims made by his political opponent Hanno II "The Bold", stating that the softness displayed in Carthage's
history will ultimately lead to its downfall if continued.

West Africa- Carthage and the new state of Dahela make peace. The Treaty of Dahune, stated that The new Dahelan state would
be made up of the former province of Dahela. Carthage strongly stressed that any attempts to help rebelling provinces in the future
would be dealt with accordingly. Hamilcar stays in Hananago to help with the expansion of the colony.

Italy- Maharbal, son of Hasdrubal Barca, reaches manhood.

Gaul- Several Gaullish coastal cities side with Massilia, this is going to prove to be a more than just a small uprising.

195 B.C. Nubia- Settlers pour into Nubia. Many are small scale subsistence farmers, and debtors hoping to gain a fortune and develop
the land for Carthage. The lands along the Nile River have proven to be more useful than the Carthaginian Senate thought,
the local floodplains are producing more food every year.

West Africa- Dahela settles lands east of it trying to gain a coastline. Carthage expands as well to deny it one. Gold Mines in Hananago
are proving to be very profitable.

Gaul- Massilia and its allies are subdued, but it was much more costly than it should have been. The War Party calls for a reform
in the military, which includes setting up military schools in various places along the empire.

194 B.C. West Africa- Maharbal is sent to Hananago, he is tasked to continue expanding east, peacefully preferable but force
will be used if nescessary.

Carthage- Hanno II introduces a plan to the Carthaginian senate. a longterm plan to eventually join Hananago and the
provinces of Egypt and Nubia together, but the population of both of the provinces are too low to consider it right now.

Carthage colonizes the Canary and Azore islands.

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The treaty of Alexandria states that all lands west of the nile river go to Carthage and all lands east of it go to Seleucidia.

Splitting Egypt doesn't really make sense. Since the country, for all intents and purposes, consists of a few fertile kilometres east and west of the Nile, whoever got the West bank, in this case Carthage, would have to support this thin strip seperated from their other holdings by hundreds of miles of barren desert while the Selucids would be able to support the East bank more easily since it's closer to their territory. Realistically, Egypt should go to one side or the other.
 

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Hmm.

I wonder if we're misinterpretting Carthage's actions.

After all, Carthage was a trading power; I don't think it would have destroyed Rome as thoroughly as it has here.

Would they need to mine the gold at the Niger, or could they trade for it?
 
Splitting Egypt doesn't really make sense. Since the country, for all intents and purposes, consists of a few fertile kilometres east and west of the Nile, whoever got the West bank, in this case Carthage, would have to support this thin strip seperated from their other holdings by hundreds of miles of barren desert while the Selucids would be able to support the East bank more easily since it's closer to their territory. Realistically, Egypt should go to one side or the other.

Make it a tributary to both of 'em.

I think your right Egypt can be a sort of granary for both the empires, but Nubia belongs to Carthage.


Hmm.

I wonder if we're misinterpretting Carthage's actions.

After all, Carthage was a trading power; I don't think it would have destroyed Rome as thoroughly as it has here.

During the second Punic war, yes Carthage was basically run by wealthy aristocrats who didnt want war, that why in the first war they left it without a serious fight, but Hannibal really didnt listen or care about what they thought, after Saguntum sided with Rome, Hannibal didn't ask the Carthaginian senate what they wanted to do he just attacked. While he was in Italy he got no exterior support whatsoever, and the wealthy aristocrats hated him and his family. I believe that if Hannibal had the chance he would have burned Rome to the ground. After the war Hannibal is really popular with the citizens, after all he conquered Italy without any help form his mother country, in OTL we see Hannibal making democratic reforms and lowering the power of the aristocrats, I think if he would have won the war he would have had more power in the government because more people would support him.


Would they need to mine the gold at the Niger, or could they trade for it?

Carthage already has a history with that area, a few hundred years before the second puni war they were trading with the natives there for gold, i just think because Carthage is a trading power they would have taken more interest in the area because they arent engulfed in war anymore.
 
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193 B.C. Asia Minor- Seleucidia comes under increasing attacks from Parthia.

West Africa- Dahela becomes stronger when many native tribes side with it, they fear that if they don't they will be opressed
by Carthage. Carthage responds to this by keeping a stronger standing force in the colony.

Carthage- Ferdnace Marcala paints his famous painting "The old and the new" in it we see Hanno II facing the left
which in the background shows a peaceful coastal city, on the right we see Hannibal and in the background we see
a burning city and armies standing outside its walls.

Ethiopian leaders visit Carthage, a friendship develops between the two nations, as Ethiopia
uses Egypt to trade with the rest of the world.

192 B.C. West Africa and Egypt- Hanno II introduces an abolition plan, slaveowners will be payed
to grant their slaves freedom and the freed slaves must agree to migrate to either Hananago or
Egypt. This plan is NOT a move towards the abolition of slavery, simply an attempt at raising the
population of the two areas.

Italy- a massive uprising in Neapolis by a Neo-Roman leader begins. Hasdrubal stresses the importance
to the homeland that any attempt at Roman resurgency must be crushed before it is too late.

Carthage- A bill to increase the size of the navy to pre-Roman war size is accepted.

Morocco- Settlers move south from the Pillars of Hercules and set up cities.

191 B.C. West Africa- Hamilcar expands further east to deny Dahela a coastal city. Small skirmishes
between the two nations begin.

Italy- Uprising pushed to Neapolis, where fighting still remains.

Carthage- Mandargo, son of Hannibal reaches manhood.

189 B.C.- Carthage offers to buy Seleucidia's rights to Egypt in return, Seleucidia will receive
units from the Carthaginian army to help with the Parthian problem.
Greece- Macedon expands northward.

188 B.C. Nubia- Carthage sends Mandargo to Nubia to secure its interests in Central Africa.

West Africa- Hamilcar defeats Mlobeko in the battle of Dankelo, Mboleko retreats to Dahune.

187 B.C. West Africa- On his way to Dahune, the capital city of Dahela, Hamilcar is attacked and
raided constantly by native forces allied with Dahela, once he reaches Dahune, Hamilcar is
nearly outnumbered 3 to 1. The Second Battle of Dahune starts with Mboleko the victor.

186 B.C. Italy- Peace offered to the Neapolitans, they refuse and pointless fighting continues.

West Africa- Mboleko heads south-west and captures many cities. Hamilcar flees to the city of Hananago
where he builds up a new army.

Central Africa- Mandargo begins a series of negotiations with the tribes of lake Chad and westward. The Carthaginian domain begins to expand into Chad and Central Africa.

185 B.C. West Africa- While Hamilcar starts building a new army, Maharbal sends his army to Gagrobane,
which is under siege by Mboleko.

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184 B.C. Central Africa- The thick jungles of central africa prove to be more of a challenge to clear than originally
thought. Hanno II starts losing support

West Africa- Mboleko begins fortifying himself at Gagrobane, Maharbal arrives in Gagrobane, the battle of Gagrobane starts,
Maharbal slowly weakens Mboleko's army, until reinforcements hiding in the jungle ambush the Carthaginians, the entrenched
army leaves their fortifications and attacks Maharbal's army, Maharbal is defeated and returns to Hananago.

183 B.C. West Africa- Gagrobane falls, Mboleko heads east, Instead of intercepting him, the joint forces of Maharbal and
Hamilcar rush to Dahune, The third battle of Dahune starts. Maharbal and Hamilcar overwhelm Mboleko. Hamilcar threatens to
burn Dahune if Mboleko doesn;t make peace. Mboleko accepts. The treaty of Dahune is resigned. Dahela gets to keep Gagrobane,
in exchange for some southern lands of Dahela. Dahela also has to pay Carthage a good amount.

182 B.c. Carthage- A failed coup by a wealthy planatation owner to overthrow the Carthaginian government fails, all collaberaters
are crucified.

Italy- rebellion is crushed in Neapolis, Neapolitans are opressed and Neapolis loses rights in Carthaginian politics, collaberaters are crucified.

Asia Minor- Antiochus III pushes back Parthian armies.

181 B.C. Ethiopia- Luop Diacol, Shophet of Carthage, visits Ethiopia, relationships between the two nations grow.

Greece- Philip V of Macedon begins a campaign to conquer all of Greece for Macedon.

Balearic Islands- Carthaginian colonists reach The Balearic Islands and make treaties with the natives.

Indian Ocean- Carthaginian Ships round Cape Horn and start sailing up the coast of East Africa.

180 B.C.- Ethiopia- Carthaginian sailors dock in Ethiopian ports. They begin to tell the stories of the great land to the south.

West Africa- Hamilcar begins a compaign east to conquer the native tribes there, he plans to meet with Mandargo.
Maharbal returns to Carthage.
Mboleko dies, his brother Tsonga succedes him.

Greece- Philip V's armies lay siege to Sparta.

179 B.C. West Africa- Dahela begins signing treaties with native tribes, incorporating them in the area. Tsonga begins a
campaign west.

Greece- Philip V conquers Sparta and Crete.

Central Africa- The jungle warriors of Central Africa push Mandargo back.
Both Hannibal and Hanno II consider it a threat
to their interests. A huge reinforcement is being prepared in Egypt.

178 B.C. Nubia- Reinforcements are on their way to Central Africa. The transportation system along the nile river is reported
to be in a bad condition.

Greece- Philip V finished his campaign and Greece is united under him.

Asia Minor- Scythians begin harassing Seleucidia.

West Africa- Dahelan Domain expands into OTL Mali. Hananago's expansion east is having more success than Mandargo.
 
This looks pretty good, for the most part. I have some questions, though.
First off, what happens with the Numidians? OTL, they waffled back and forth between Carthage and Rome. At the time of the Second Punic War, Carthage has hired some of them as mercenaries, while others of them are probably still sore about losing the recent Mercenary War and not to keen on Carthage (Scipio hired some of them during his African campaign OTL, after all), and Hannibal has to go through them to get to Egypt. Either that, or he assaults Alexandria from the sea rather than marching across the desert. As a back-end to that, what's the motivation for attacking Egypt in the first place?

Second, I'm not sure I buy the colonization of West Africa as depicted. I do like that you've set up a native power to oppose them- do you happen to have any references on the native inhabitants of the period? That's one area in which I'm sorely lacking in information, and would like to make my own work more realistic. But it seems like it goes way too fast, and they don't seem to have a really strong reason for setting up that far south, especially since its way out of their accustomed climate zone. Did they already know that there was gold in Nigeria? I know that they knew there was gold in Senegal, since they controlled the gold trade from Senegal OTL; if Hannibal wants to go a-conquering in West Africa and be assured of a profit, the mouth of the Senegal river seems like a much better bet.

Last thing, and comparatively minor- how do they get to the Azores so fast?

Incidentally, I'm trying to develop a similar alt-Second Punic War scenario, but centered around the Siege of Syracuse as the POD rather than Metaurus.
 
177 B.C.
Carthage- Hannibal Barca dies of old age. A huge ceremony is held for him, including three statues being built in Capua, Carthage, and
Carthage Novo. Several important figures were not at his funeral, of those includes Hanno II.

Central Africa- Reinforcements arrive, but Mandargo realizes the native's tactics. The native armies rarely engage them,
instead they leave behind rotting corpses and other things to bring on disease. The tactics work and Mandargo realizes
the land is killing them faster then the native armies ever could, with diseases such as malaria.

176 B.C.
Central Africa- Carthaginian armies retreat with only 7,000 soldiers.
175 B.C.

Carthage- Hasdrubal Barca dies, many scholars, such as Sabocasti Sarodotus, speculate that it was not Hannibal who saved
Carthage but him, a sort of national respect is gained for him.

174 B.C. Carthage- Carthage and Macedon almost go to war, over the sinking of a Macedonian messenger ship thought to be an
"invading navy". But cooler heads prevail and Carthage shows its desire not to enter a war.

173 B.C. West Africa- Hamilcar rallies Yoruban soldiers and incorporates them into his army, he continues his push into
Central africa and this time suceeds. Hamilcar learns from Mandargo's mistake and equips disease resistant natives as his
soldiers. Reinforcements are sent to help Hamilcar keep his position.

172 B.C. Central Africa- Malaria claims Hamilcar, although he is dead he is considered a great hero for the Carthaginian, and their
new allies the Yorubans.

Tingis- A young merchant named Saristo flees debt slavery and sails to Egypt.

171 B.C. Gaul- The tribes of Gaul start a loose confederation in the form of treaties, this bond will prove to be tighter
as time goes on with the support of Carthage, some people even begin to speak of a Gallic Empire.

Egypt- Saristo arrives in Egypt. Over the months he makes many friends and followers, he begins to acquire fortunes in Egypt.

170 B.C. Egypt- Saristo decides to leave Egypt and settle the unknown jungle of Central Africa. He believes there is wealth there
waiting to be discovered.

171 B.C. About 100 Miles East of Lake Chad- Saristo sets down his flag and founds the city of Pheonikes, Which means Pheonicia,
he claims this city was blessed by the gods. Lake Chad is named Lake Phoinikes.

Word spreads of this new city, and attracts many native ethnic groups such Yorubans, Bakans and Ghanans. The natives form many
other cities around Pheonikes, but they adopt Carthaginian culture and ideas, and drop most of their old beliefs.

167 B.C. Carthage Novo- Mago Barca dies, he is the last Barca brother to die, their legacy is carried out in Epic story written
by Minos. The epic depicts The Barca families history and legacy, and is one of the most used sources for Barca information.

165 B.C. Pheonikes- Several trading routes criss-cross through the territory of Pheonikes. Central Africa becomes a sort of way-station
to Nubia and Hananago. Pheonikes benefits from this.

164 B.C. Italy- The city of Tanitia is founded by the Italian governor. The city is founded mostly as a mock to the former Roman
Republic, Because the city is founded 2 miles west of the ruins of the city of Rome.

163 B.C. Greece- Macedonian settlers move into the unknown northern regions

162 B.C.- The Province of Pheonikes becomes more increasingly Native than Carthaginian. Native tribes are constantly migrating
to this region and grand cities are formed.

Don't worry everyone this isn't a "Carthage wank" scenario. Carthage is having its glory moment right now because its on good terms
with both of the empires to the east and other than that there is nothing really opposing it. But when the barbarians begin
stirring Carthage will see some serious problems, in Africa and Europe.

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Good job so far! Keep up the good work.

A couple suggestions:

As someone mentioned, the area around the Senegal River would probably be important. There might be a major Carthaginian port at Dakar.

The "indigenous" civilization that you have arise in West Africa might be based around the Nok Culture in modern-day Nigeria. The Nok were responsible for bringing about the Iron Age in West Africa around 500 BC.

Also, archaeology indicates the Yoruba city of Ile Ife in Nigeria was first settled around this time... It was only a small village at the time, but it became the major center of the Yoruba civilization within the next thousand years. Perhaps Carthaginian influence would give it a jumpstart, to be the capital of your African civilization.
 
Thanks, those kind of comments make me wanna keep this thing going.

In a little bit i plan to do a little segment on what is exactly going on in africa, and about the senegal river, because i dont think im explaining it as throughly as i should be. Dahela is a sort of peasant rebllion, a runaway province. The Nok are just a group of the many natives that reside in Dahela, Dahela is a native nation that has the Infrastructure and unity of a meditereanan nation at this time. Carthage is kind of exposing the northern half of Africa to civilization much sooner than OTL, this will have serious repercussions later... but i wont get into that now ;).
 
Nation Profiles: Carthage

Nation Profiles:

Carthage-

Economy: Carthage is the wealthiest and most economically power nation in the world right now. It controls all of North Africa, Egypt, Nubia, Central Africa, West Africa, Iberia, Gaul, Italy, and holds small outposts on Atlantic Islands and the British Isle for trade.

Population: The city of Carthage currently stands at 600,000 and growing fast. The city has already built a 4th larger wall to expand the city with. The Population of North Africa is currently 28 Million, and growing, with major cities including, Carthage, Leptis Magna, Russadir, Tingis, Hippo, Utica, Rusicade, and Leptis Minor.

Egypt and Nubia have a total population of 8 million and growing fast, because of high birthrates and high emigration. central Africa currently has a population of 300,000, mostly centered around Pheonikes, and the Lake Phoinikes region.

The colony of Hananago currently stands at 2 million, the highest population densities are mostly around the coast and river regions.

Europe, total has a population of 14 million, with major population centers around Italy, and Southern Iberia, with little people in Gaul and northern Iberia.

Infrastructure: Carthage currently has a very good road system around the Tunisian area, with current canal projects around lake Tunis being built. The city of Carthage has a powerful economy, with apartment complexes and a working sewage system, it also has an effective military/commercial port.

Egypt is currently undergoing transportation reforms and a sort of Suez Canal is being planned. Nile cities are benefitting from increasing transportation. However Egypt and Nubia lack the current infrastructure that North Africa and Europe have, as very few cities are connected, but the future looks bright.

Central Africa is an isolated jungleland, that is hard to reach. It has very little infrastructure, but the fast growing city of Pheonikes has developed some trading routes, through the frontier.

Hananago, Is a growing colony, with gold and silver mines, and large grain depots. It also benefits, from fishing. Roads are beginning to work their way into the interior as the colony expands.

Military: Carthage has a very powerful and growing navy. Carthages land forces are very large, but despite someof Hannibal tries at reforms, the military still remains mostly Mercenary. North Africa is currently a power military force, but in some of the isolated colonies in Africa, Carthage's power has been doubted, especially during the Dahelan wars, which showed Carthage's inability to hold off native forces.
 
160 B.C. Far West Africa- Carthage attempts to send some colonists to settle the Senegal river, but discover Dahelan settlements there,
Carthaginian colonists leave with a spear pointed at their head.

159 B.C. Carthage- Hanno II dies, the Peace Party declares the political struggle isn't over yet.

158 B.C. North Africa- "The Numidian War" begins. The aging King Massinissa declares that Numidia is being treated as an oppressed
state, Carthage replys by sending mercenaries over to Numidia. Instead of fighting Numidia, the mercenaries, who were Libyans
instead joined Massinissa's army. The Libyan city of Cirta also rebels this year as well.

157 B.C. North Africa- Mandargo gets together an army and withstands a siege of the city of Rusicade. He then goes west and lays siege
to the city of Cirta.

156 B.C. North Africa- Mandargo meets Massinissa at the Battle of Zama. In the battle it was said that Mandargo was losing, but he instilled
courage in routing soldiers. In a desperate attempt, as told by the writer Marodin, he dashes to the front line of the battle
with no horse and no protection, dodging several attempts on his life, then with the help of the gods, he throws his spear across the battlefield
into the heart of Massinissa. With the death of Massinissa, his soldiers become confused and some flee. Whether or not the legend was true
Mandargo won the battle and Numidia was back under control of Carthage. Mandargo also gets more respect than earlier in his life.

155 B.C. Carthage- Marodin publishes his epic, "A Walk Through Redemption", he tells the story of the Numidian war, and of Mandargo.
152 B.C. A trade vessel gets caught in a storm and gets blown way west. It disappears forever and nobody know what happens to it, although
this doesn't really mean much now it will in time to come.

151 B.C. Italy- Maharbal dies,he is reffered to as the, Great Son of Hasdrubal, because of his many reforms in Italy.

150 B.C. Egypt- The OTL Suez Canal is finished, in ATL it is reffered to as "The Ba'al Passage".

149 B.C. India- With the new Egyptian Canal, Carthage now begins trading with India.

148 B.C. Carthage- Mandargo dies, his heroism will always be remembered.

147 B.C. West Africa- The city of Ile Ife rips up a treaty with Dahela and joins Carthage, this is very rare for a native city to do.

146 B.C. Pheonikes- The Grand way, is completed, officially connecting Hananago, and Nubia, The large road is made from cobblestone.

144 B.C. Pheonikes- The population of Pheonikes reaches 1 million, with only 350,000 Carthaginians. It doesn't matter however,
because the natives are loyal to Carthage. Carthage doesn't really enforce Pheonikes government, so Saristo can pretty much do whatever he
wants. Some people even proclaim Pheonikes as a seperate identity from Carthage.

140 B.C. Asia Minor- Parsas the Parthian begins a rebellion movement in Seleucidia. Some people wonder why The Seleucid Empire still
even exists.

139 B.C. Asia Minor- The Anatolians declare themselves a seperate state. It becomes evident the Seleucidia is going to fall apart.

138 B.C. Europe- The Gaul Confederation, begins streaching into Germany.

137 B.C. Asia Minor- The Parthians finally defeat the Seleucids, Seleucidia is nearly cut in half. The Anatolian situation is still
uncertain.

136 B.C. Asia Minor- The Seleucid Empire ceases to exist. The remains are split into the seperate Anatolian Dynasty and the Antioch
Dynasty. The Anatolians are becoming very friendly with the Macedonians.

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Egypt is currently undergoing transportation reforms and a sort of Suez Canal is being planned.
They already had a canal connecting the Nile to the Red Sea, through Wadi Tumilat. It was re-dredged by Ptolemy in 250 B.C., which is just before your POD- if it's been allowed to fall into disrepair again by this time, they'd want to re-dredge it, by why would they bother constructing the OTL version of the Suez Canal?
On a more positive note- Woo! Numidians!

EDIT: I just discovered the Niger river has alluvial tin deposits. Wonder if that would have any effect on the tin trade from up north.
 
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