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Living in Tampa, or Orlando, or Miami. Three of the major Cities in Florida, no Florida is not totally Southern. And I resent that anyone would call us totally Southern.
Seconded.
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Living in Tampa, or Orlando, or Miami. Three of the major Cities in Florida, no Florida is not totally Southern. And I resent that anyone would call us totally Southern.
Though this is just a video game, It provides an interesting look into what could be where.
How exactly do the Quakers qualify as conservative? Aside from their anti-slavery stance they were/are also pacifist and feminist(to the point that they even refuse to use the terms Mr and Mrs), and were from their foundation inherently nonconformist. That's as far left as it got in the era in which they were founded.But more than likely the fact that so many of the people that settled in Pennsylvania were Germans, Quakers, and other religious conservatives who did not believe in slavery.
The States that vote Republican are southern, this thread can now be closed.
I am only jokinglt referring to "The Southern Strategy" a plan by the Republicans to get southern votes
The other, which is more accurate, IMHO, is the settlement patterns of the early colonial period. Most of the Midwest, for example, was colonized from Virginia before the Erie Canal opened - hence southern Illinois, Ohio, and Indiana seem very culturally southern compared to the northern parts of the same states.
There was a fascinating discussion on this topic on The Atlantic... i'll include the choice maps but the link and discussion are absolutely worth spending some time with...
Link: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/01/where-does-the-south-begin/70052/
To me, if you are from a state that seceded from the Union, you're from the south; but it's obviously more complicated than that, as the discussion topics show
Just a reminder to people, OP is asking specifically about the most natural line dividing "slave territory" and "free territory." This is a far different question than "How is the modern OTL north/south defined?"
The Virginia/Maryland border. That's how America's founders saw it at least, that's why they put the capital on the border.
Its southern neighbor, Pennsylvania had almost no slaves, and had never developed any type of culture that accepted slavery. So it wasn't geography that created a culture in NY more accepting of slavery (though not remotely so compared with Virginia and the Carolinas), and less so in Pennsylvania. But more than likely the fact that so many of the people that settled in Pennsylvania were Germans, Quakers, and other religious conservatives who did not believe in slavery.
I am basically a native of Texas, and I can tell you my honest opinion, which may shock some of you, BTW: Anything west of Hopkins County, or north of the 31st parallel, ain't Southern.
Here, check out this little map I made:
Red is Southern, the Orange is Southwestern, and guess what the light blue is.
Thanks for these. Could you explain the fourth and fifth maps?
When you see one of the options on a menu at a restaurant is 'hot water' for the style of preparation for corn bread, you know you're in the south.
Huzzah! Another one of us! Soon we shall outnumber the Michiganders.I think we need to look at this away from the modern perspective, and back to the pre-1900 view. For example, honestly Florida(my homestate) is truly 'southern'(at least in my view) around the panhandle and north. Aside from that, Naples and Fort Myers may have some southern qualities just because it has a lot of Panhandle people living there essentially. Thing is rural, Florida is southern, especially in the north, but its urban centers are well away from Southern Culture.
It Depends. Everyone's right on top of each other in much of the state, mostly because of how fast the growth has been, so it's a bit more gradual, although the basis for the divide was probably solidified either somewhere back in the 1880's, or durring the first development boom in the 20's.Southern Culture dominates the Panhandle and northern rural areas, while a more 'modern', 'urban', maybe if you want to call it "northern" culture, dominates the rest and the urban centers, with Caribbean culture dominating the entirety of the Southeast, including Florida's largest population center(Miami-Dade county.)
Yeah, right up until the dawn of the Citrus era, and the founding of Ybor City, most of the Population was in the Northern part of the state, with the only real exceptions being Tampa, Miami, and Key West. Although, there was some decent settlement around most of the southern tier of the state back before the seminole wars, like what that crazy fucker braden built.However, pre-1900, Florida was pretty much as Southern as Southern states come. Though Southern culture always remained in the north, as the south was inhospitable till recent times(c. 1900's, late 1800s.)