I really like this one. What are your thoughts on it being slightly simpler though? Like having only one emblem (for now)
Like just a hammer since it's more industrial
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I really like this one. What are your thoughts on it being slightly simpler though? Like having only one emblem (for now)
Like just a hammer since it's more industrial
I avoided having the hammer because the aim of the flag was to show the industrial workers and agricultural peasants more or less equally and with the cogwheel in it the hammer is unnecessary:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?p=11615302#post11615302
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?p=11617411
And I think that makes sense for overarching national movement but here were just talking workers in Berlin.
Hmm...maybe I'll take a crack
Well in that case a simple red flag with a hammer on it would definitely work.
Something like this (using the old 1950s GDR hammer) - adjust the size of the red field as you see fit. My old submission would work more as a the flag for the ruling party and state after Rosa's regime is established nationally:
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By the way, using the old East German coat of arms I found a simpler wheat symbol that I was able to incorporate into my old submission, but the circle is no longer properly formed - so this would need some adjustment.....hmmm...I think I prefer my older submission as a communist German flag instead to be honest:
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Appreciate you saying that. Though i wonder if a bigger, centralized symbol might be better?
Yes, that's a very interesting flag. As ruth said, I don't remember seeing a factory depicted on a socialist or communist flag or logo before but it does make sense and it has the right feel to it for a flag that is aimed at and represents purely industrial interests. Good work!
EDIT: I also like the fact that the symbol is small and in the canton of the flag. The large red field is very eye-catching.
I feel like placing a big emblem in the centre of a flag only works if it's just that—an emblem, with big wheat sheaf supporters and a scene in the centre, and so on. For what you have, a simple golden symbol, I'm in agreement with Chris. The canton is a good place, and cedes most of the space on the flag to the eye-catching red. It fits well alongside/in contrast to the flag of the USSR, for example, and presents to the world an alternative, industry-centric image of what communism could be.
Chapter I (1918) | Part V ( 1st Congress )
Chapter I: Spartacus League Reborn
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Part V
Time Period: November 16th - December 3rd, 1918
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Part V
Time Period: November 16th - December 3rd, 1918
“With the revolutionary color of this flag, and this symbol of industrial liberation, I know I can rally the unions to our cause!” said an enthused Leo Jogiches.
“Then be on your way comrade. Build expand our support base as soon as you can,” Rosa replied.
Taking the mock up of the flag with him, Leo departed for a local garment manufacturer.
Rosa then concluded the meeting.
“Everything we do over these next several weeks will be critical to our long term success. We must do everything we can to make efficient use of this time.”
The group then dispersed.
While both Klara left for the USPD Headquarters, August Thalheimer and Paul Levi remained in the apartment to being work on a draft of the party manifesto.
Over the next several weeks,
while Leo Jogiches spent nearly every waking hour meeting with various trade union leaders, Paul Levi worked furiously.
At the same time, Karla met with various Independent Socialist party members in a number of secret locations, hoping to recruit them to the ranks of her party, all while August Thalheimer began to cajole funds from several sympathetic socialist societies and action groups to start the all important newspaper.
“Then be on your way comrade. Build expand our support base as soon as you can,” Rosa replied.
Taking the mock up of the flag with him, Leo departed for a local garment manufacturer.
Rosa then concluded the meeting.
“Everything we do over these next several weeks will be critical to our long term success. We must do everything we can to make efficient use of this time.”
The group then dispersed.
While both Klara left for the USPD Headquarters, August Thalheimer and Paul Levi remained in the apartment to being work on a draft of the party manifesto.
Over the next several weeks,
while Leo Jogiches spent nearly every waking hour meeting with various trade union leaders, Paul Levi worked furiously.
At the same time, Karla met with various Independent Socialist party members in a number of secret locations, hoping to recruit them to the ranks of her party, all while August Thalheimer began to cajole funds from several sympathetic socialist societies and action groups to start the all important newspaper.
While the Luxemburgists began to form their power base in Berlin, the classical European system of governance began to collapse throughout the central and eastern portions of the continent.
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Happenings Around Europe
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With this serving as a background,
Rosa called for the 2nd meeting of the Spartacus Party on December 1st.
“Comrades,” she announced excitedly to her fellow party members as they met in a makeshift party office August had purchased days prior in downtown Berlin.
“Let us share the status of all of our efforts.”
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1st Spartacus Party Congress
“Amazing work comrades!,” said Rosa and she began to roll up her sleeves.
“Now, to the real work.
Leo, fetch me the leaders of the Free Workers Union.
Let's solidify an alliance of interests with great haste."
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Happenings Around Europe
Hungary, which since the Aster Revolution at the end of October had been existing tentatively as a republic since November 16th, was dealing with increasing agitation from the far left.
Lead by Bolshevik-inspired revolutionaries such as Bela Kun, groups and unions sought to dismantle and destroy the fragile democratic government of sitting President Mihaly Karolyi.
In Russia, Lenin’s Bolshevik Party which power-base had now sufficiently placed itself in Moscow, was battling with White Army troops on all fronts.
Lead by Bolshevik-inspired revolutionaries such as Bela Kun, groups and unions sought to dismantle and destroy the fragile democratic government of sitting President Mihaly Karolyi.
In Russia, Lenin’s Bolshevik Party which power-base had now sufficiently placed itself in Moscow, was battling with White Army troops on all fronts.
With this serving as a background,
Rosa called for the 2nd meeting of the Spartacus Party on December 1st.
“Comrades,” she announced excitedly to her fellow party members as they met in a makeshift party office August had purchased days prior in downtown Berlin.
“Let us share the status of all of our efforts.”
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1st Spartacus Party Congress
Leo Jogiches
Taking the floor first, Leo told how he was successfully able to persuade the several key members of the newly refounded and popular Free Workers Union of Germany to at least contemplate support for and possible membership in the Spartacus Party.
Specifically mentioning influential members such as Fritiz Kater and Fritz Koster, Leo mused to the group that while ascribing to syndicalism and anarchism, these and other leading figures could potentially be allies for the Spartacus Party.
“Or at the very least, they can assist us temporarily in dismantling the power programme of the SPD,” concluded Leo.
“An interesting anecdote!” shouted Klara as she interrupted Leo’s speech.
“Rosa and I’s secret meetings with the USPD also yielded similar results. While some USPD members mused about potentially supporting us, most responded more fervently to the idea of dismantling the SPD.”
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Paul Levi
“That’s strange, considering Hugo Hasse’s power sharing agreement with Ebert. That’s definitely something we need to exploit going forward.”
Pausing briefly, Paul then pulled out a large booklet.
“Regardless, I have completed the first draft of the manifesto,” he said as he swung open the front cover.
“All that’s left are any potential revisions and of course our signatures.”
“Hold that thought Paul,” said Party Chairman Rosa. “I’m curious to hear August’s progress before we begin to contemplate how we may complete that document.”
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August Thalheimer
As all eyes turned to Thalheimer, he reached into his bag, pulling out two draft newspapers in the process.
“Befreiung! (Liberation!),” he bellowed as he tossed the first draft newspaper onto the table. “And Die Industrearbeiter (The Industrial Worker),” as he tossed the other in quick succession.
“These two papers will be the voice of our party and of our movement.”
Picking both up simultaneously , Rosa asked the purpose of two instead of one.
“One will function ideological mouthpiece and the other will focus solely on the plight of the German worker,” explained August.
Taking the floor first, Leo told how he was successfully able to persuade the several key members of the newly refounded and popular Free Workers Union of Germany to at least contemplate support for and possible membership in the Spartacus Party.
Specifically mentioning influential members such as Fritiz Kater and Fritz Koster, Leo mused to the group that while ascribing to syndicalism and anarchism, these and other leading figures could potentially be allies for the Spartacus Party.
“Or at the very least, they can assist us temporarily in dismantling the power programme of the SPD,” concluded Leo.
“An interesting anecdote!” shouted Klara as she interrupted Leo’s speech.
“Rosa and I’s secret meetings with the USPD also yielded similar results. While some USPD members mused about potentially supporting us, most responded more fervently to the idea of dismantling the SPD.”
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Paul Levi
“That’s strange, considering Hugo Hasse’s power sharing agreement with Ebert. That’s definitely something we need to exploit going forward.”
Pausing briefly, Paul then pulled out a large booklet.
“Regardless, I have completed the first draft of the manifesto,” he said as he swung open the front cover.
“All that’s left are any potential revisions and of course our signatures.”
“Hold that thought Paul,” said Party Chairman Rosa. “I’m curious to hear August’s progress before we begin to contemplate how we may complete that document.”
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August Thalheimer
As all eyes turned to Thalheimer, he reached into his bag, pulling out two draft newspapers in the process.
“Befreiung! (Liberation!),” he bellowed as he tossed the first draft newspaper onto the table. “And Die Industrearbeiter (The Industrial Worker),” as he tossed the other in quick succession.
“These two papers will be the voice of our party and of our movement.”
Picking both up simultaneously , Rosa asked the purpose of two instead of one.
“One will function ideological mouthpiece and the other will focus solely on the plight of the German worker,” explained August.
“Amazing work comrades!,” said Rosa and she began to roll up her sleeves.
“Now, to the real work.
Leo, fetch me the leaders of the Free Workers Union.
Let's solidify an alliance of interests with great haste."
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Nice flag Nice updates
Nice flag. Also, I do not know if extending the middle finger to one's enemy is a German thing, as it is in the US, however the industrial rooftop and tall smokestack almost evoke the thought. But. then. I am renown for thinking a little bit off center.
The quality of the updates is nice too.
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Nice flag. Also, I do not know if extending the middle finger to one's enemy is a German thing, as it is in the US, however the industrial rooftop and tall smokestack almost evoke the thought. But. then. I am renown for thinking a little bit off center. The quality of the updates is nice too.
The quality of the updates is nice too.
Haha! I didnt even notice that.
And thanks for the support.
Ill keep the overly descriptive vibe going.
Btw, any thougts on the names of the newpapers? Both names seemed to fit the setting enough but im open to feedback.
It actually should be Der Industriearbeiter or Der Fabrikarbeiter-unless you want it to be Die Industriearbeiterin, to reflect the feminine nature of socialism in Germany ittl
It actually should be Der Industriearbeiter or Der Fabrikarbeiter-unless you want it to be Die Industriearbeiterin, to reflect the feminine nature of socialism in Germany ittl
Sounds good! Thanks for the feedvack
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Support. Yes... But...
"Should the Spartacus Party support/adopt the cause of Trade Unionism, and likewise campaign to keep it in its current form?"
I voted "Yes", but... (the infamous 'yes, but' strikes again...) With modifications.
Rosa can make a case that even a successful movement can be reformed to make it better, for the workers, if not the union bosses (of course, she would be more diplomatic than to say it just that way, I would think.)
Perhaps she can show the "leaders" just how they could win even more support from the workers, and the government, than they have already...
"Should the Spartacus Party support/adopt the cause of Trade Unionism, and likewise campaign to keep it in its current form?"
I voted "Yes", but... (the infamous 'yes, but' strikes again...) With modifications.
Rosa can make a case that even a successful movement can be reformed to make it better, for the workers, if not the union bosses (of course, she would be more diplomatic than to say it just that way, I would think.)
Perhaps she can show the "leaders" just how they could win even more support from the workers, and the government, than they have already...
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