The Southern Victory
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This is definitely interesting. Really different from every other timeline about Confederates- winning the war and all.
Pretty cool.
Pretty cool.
This is amazing! 
I wonder why I haven't seen this TL before.
Great work, 1.36! Subscribed!
I wonder why I haven't seen this TL before.Great work, 1.36! Subscribed!
I know that I have not yet posted anything soon but once I return from vacation in the next few days, I'll get to work on drafting the post war parts. Any ideas for what should happen next. I'm thinking of not having the 7 weeks war happen so the GC stays intact and haveing an Italian civil war. Anyone up for a Prussian Philippines too?
Nameing Missouri
In a certin part of the world people from downstate pronounce it Missourah, upstate it's Missouree. Perhaps a phonetic spelling would help with renameing.
Perhaps then I could have Grant and the Army of Ohio falling back to the Tennessee-Kentucky border and then pulling back once it appears that there are several Pro-Confederate revolts in Kentucky. With this news, Lincoln would order his army back into the state to keep it under control.
As for 7 pines, I really cannot think of a way to decimate the Union forces to the point that I need to ITTL. Any more ideas?
I know it was already established as such in your TL, but I highly doubt that would be the division of Missouri. Essentially because this would (barely) leave Saint Louis in the CSA. Saint Louis was by this time a major city of 160,000, had a huge immigrant population of Germans and Irish (with the dominant Germans major supports of the union), had few slaves and, IOTL, saw no military action.
Because of all this, I'm pretty sure some "carve out" for Saint Louis would be undertaken. Perhaps when the Missouri loops Northeast, instead the border instead travels straight East.
Because of all this, I'm pretty sure some "carve out" for Saint Louis would be undertaken. Perhaps when the Missouri loops Northeast, instead the border instead travels straight East.
Chapter II: Post-War North America
The Post-War Confederate States of America
Following the cession of hostilities in late 1863, the Confederate Congress decided that Jefferson Davis’s term began in 1862 so the next election would take place in 1867 and the new president would be sworn in during the first week of February. Following the end of the war, the Confederate Government set out to finalize the way that the CSA would be run. Davis spent the rest of his term fixing the kinks in the Confederate Government as well as greatly expanding the largely non-existent Confederate Navy by producing several more “Virginia” Class ironclads. The Confederate Army also expanded during this period and saw action in Missouri, Kentucky and Eastern Tennessee suppressing pro-Union revolts. In 1865, the Confederate territories of Arizona and the Indian Territory were also organized into incorporated territories that would eventually find their way into statehood. Georgia
Louisiana
Louisiana was one of the few deep southern states to be hard hit by the war. It did however make a speedy recovery and the city of New Orleans soon became one of the richest cities in the nation because every Union commercial ship on the Mississippi river had to pass through New Orleans on its way to the gulf. Louisiana did however have problems. Due to its swampy topography and overall isolation form the surrounding states, only the cities industrialized while the rural parts of the state were left untouched.
Alabama
Florida
Mississippi
South Carolina
South Carolina had long been a region that supported state’s rights and slavery. Following the election of Abraham Lincoln in 1860 South Carolina became the first state to secede from the Union. Following the Confederate victory in late 1862, the streets of Charleston filled with thousands of citizens celebrating the independence of their new nation. South Carolina was one of the few Confederate states that were already industrialized by the time the war ended. In the following years, South Carolina was to become known for its shipbuilding and became an major economic center for the Confederacy as goods from Europe flooded the ports of Charleston and was then shipped to the far reaches of the nation.
Texas
Texas declared independence from the United States on February 1, 1861, and later joined the CSA in early March. Texas was useful in the war for its contribution of soldiers for the army and cavalry. Following the end of the war, Texas began to swell in population as many people from the battleground states of Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri and Virginia decided to start a new life in the west. Virginia
Virginia was arguably the most important state in the Confederacy during the war Not only did it house the national capitol and the Confederate White House, it also provided several thousand soldiers for the war effort. Following the end of the war, Virginia became the most industrialized state in the Confederacy. The Virginia Military Institute or VMI also became the “West Point of the south”. The city of Hampton Roads became a shipbuilding city and naval port while other Cities like Arlington housed many of the members of the “Army of Northern Virginia” In the decades to come, Virginia industrialized at such a fast rate that it began to rival the Union states of Illinois and New York.Arkansas
Arkansas was still a sparsely populated state in most areas. With only one major battle taking place at Pea Ridge, the state was relatively untouched from the war. Arkansas did receive a large population influx as people began to move west in the years following the civil war.
North Carolina
North Carolina was an important source of soldiers, supplies, and other war material to the CSA during the war. The city of Wilmington for example was one of the leading ports for the Confederacy, becoming a vital lifeline of trade with England and France. Large amounts of weapons, ammunition, and other military supplies traveled from Wilmington throughout the South. Following the End of the Civil War, North Carolina reverted back to a tobacco producing state but Wilmington joined the cities of Mobile, Hampton Roads and Charleston as one of the several major ports. Within a few years, Wilmington’s population surpassed the state capital of Raleigh and became the most populous city in the state.Tennessee
Tennessee was one of the few states in the west that had sustained severe damage in the war. In the years following the war, Tennessee was also a hotspot for Union supporters and three years after the end of the fighting and the treaty of London, the East Tennessee Rebellion of 1865-1866 took place, it was not until General Longstreet entered the state with his army that the rebellion ended. In later years, Many cities returned to normal life, Memphis for example became the home port for the Confederate Brown-Water navy. Despite the end of the rebellion, any people in East Tennessee were hostile to the rest of the Confederacy and every now and then, an act of violence in the state was attributed to East Tennessee rebels trying to succeed from the state and the Confederacy.Kentucky
Following the civil war, one major problem for Kentucky was where would the capital go. The original capital was Frankfort but during the war, Bowling Green was the capital. This debate was finally settled when it was decided that Bowling Green would keep the seat as the state capital. With this behind them, the people of the state of Kentucky would finally be able to pick up where they left off. Things would never be the same again though because in the years after the war, the Confederate Army began to fortify the Kentucky border with its hostile neighbors. The Ohio River soon became a huge defensive line consisting of Cannon emplacements, bunkers, hills, outposts and several military bases. Elsewhere in the state, many por-Union revolts would take place as a large portion of the population were anti-Confederate and wanted the state to re-unite with the Union once more. These rebellions and attitudes to the lawmakers in Richmond resembled that of St. Louis and Missouri as well as Eastern Tennessee.
Missouri
Missouri was the site of very few battles in the Civil War, however those battles determined the outcome of the war west of the Mississippi river. Following the Treaty of London in December of 1862, half of Missouri was under the control of the CSA and the other half was given to the United States. The Confederacy was given St. Louis as it was south of the Missouri River. Soon, the city of St. Louis would become a great fortified city and was the linchpin of all Confederate defense in the state. While the city was under Confederate control and heavily fortified, many of it's citizens were resentful of the Confederacy and had the same attitudes to the "The Slaveholders in Richmond" as the people in Eastern Tennessee.
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I've mentioned this. below. Missouri, like Eastern Tennessee and parts of Kentucky are very anti-Confederate and it takes a great deal of troops and money to keep them under control.
Intervention in Cuba? Ah, so this TL is intended to have very little basis in reality.
Not so much an intervention as it is an offer to buy it. Remember, Davis and the Democrats thought that they could buy it after the war. If the rebellion in the 1870's worked out, Spain could have said "Enough is enough" and sold it. Then the CSA would go in and "pacify" or at least try to pacify the population. To be honest though, such a venture would likely fail for the Confederate Army. Don't you think?
Since Spain would refuse to sell and the rebellion failed miserably the rest isn't even a starter.
Why would they refuse to sell? In the rebellion of the 1870's they agreed to meet the rebels demands that did not include independence. However the agreement was never put into place and another rebellion in the 1890's took place that became the Spanish-American War. What if, the Spanish thought that since another rebellion will likely pop up soon, they'd better "run with the money" and sell the island to the CSA. The CSA then goes into their own version of Vietnam and things start to fall apart as they are clueless of the territory and the rebels are able to defeat them in guerrilla tactics. Tell me why Spain would not sell them.
No, you misunderstood me, my point was there's no way in hell the U.S. would give up a city it held the entire war, which was full of people who are perfectly willing to be Americans at the peace table. I think the union would sooner give away Southern Illinois and Indiana quite honestly.
As an aside, Atlanta as the "Pittsburgh of the South" doesn't make much sense. Birmingham (or something else near the same location) would be the center of southern industry, as the area has abundant coal and steel reserves.
Well you see, St. Louis was captured in 62'. There would likely be a mass exodus of people after the treaty was signed. You are right about Birmingham. TBH, I was about to correct that!
Remember, Birmingham was only founded in 1871. So we might see a similar metropolis in the same location, but it could end up with a different name.