Sports What Ifs.

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49ers draft Aaron Rodgers instead of Alex Smith with the #1 pick in 2005

This has already been covered earlier in the thread. Given that Nolan didn't like Rodgers as much, and that Rodgers wasn't pro-ready at the time of drafting, he would've failed entirely, ensuring that The Niners would be firmly entrenched in the bottom feeders (not even getting the shot to rise to mediocre underachievers that make the playoffs irregularly that Alex Smith gave them) for a few more years until someone competent is hired. Alex Smith is regarded as a much better QB because of this, and Aaron Rodgers is one of the great busts)
 
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What if Heisman Trophy Winner, Robert Griffin III gets drafted by The Indianapolis Colts as the 1st Pick in the 2012 NFL Draft?, What will happen to Andrew Luck if he gets the 2nd pick by playing for the Washington Redskins?

Did the Detroit Lions draft Gerald McCoy (DT), Then the Buccaneers draft Trent Williams (OT) making the First 3 Picks who got Selected from the University of Oklahoma.

And What if John Elway got drafted to the Oakland Raiders in 1983 if they had not relocated to Los Angeles in 1982?
 
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What if Heisman Trophy Winner, Robert Griffin III gets drafted by The Indianapolis Colts as the 1st Pick in the 2012 NFL Draft?, What will happen to Andrew Luck if he gets the 2nd pick by playing for the Washington Redskins?

Did the Detroit Lions draft Gerald McCoy (DT), Then the Buccaneers draft Trent Williams (OT) making the First 3 Picks who got Selected from the University of Oklahoma.

And What if John Elway got drafted to the Oakland Raiders in 1983 if they had not relocated to Los Angeles in 1982?

Washington loses the NFC East to the Giants in 2012 (they finish 7-9 while NYG goes 10-6, beating them 2x), but is more properly set to be championship contenders down the line as Luck emerges unscathed physically. WSH spends their 4th round pick on someone not named Kirk Cousins.

McCoy still busts, but that's a pretty good feat for OU; Trent Williams' career is probably similar to OTL

Elway drafted by the Raiders is ASB, they drafted 26th in OTL and would have to give up the house for the #1 pick...they were still a competent organization at the time. A more intriguing scenario is if the Bears traded up with Baltimore (they had the 6th pick in 1983) to get Elway...they would have won multiple SBs barring a serious injury to Elway
 
If Dusty stays after the win, he may not have went to Chicago, and the Bartman thing may have been butterflied away.

Also, Kerry Wood and Mark Prior may have had longer careers without playing for Dusty because of how hard Dusty works pitchers. That is one of the major criticisms against him.

Yes!!! Dusty Baker, hater of rookies and destroyer of pitchers. He's like some Hindu God.


Baker is actually a decent manager, and even well above average when given a roster designed to his comfort zone, but without crummy players he's weirdly enamoured with (hello Neifi Perez). Its just that his few faults are so glaring: A) not respecting the walk as a component of offense, B) not willing to give young players a proper shot at earning a starting position, and C) not paying enough attention to pitch counts for young arms, it drives the Sabermetrically inclined CRAZY!!!!

Note: Wood had already had Tommy John surgery long before Baker was on the scene and was probably overused in the 3 years after surgery, but before Baker came on the scene. High rates of strike outs and base on balls issued means he's throwing a ton of pitches almost every start.
 
Just for a change of pace, let's ponder some future history sports WIs:

--The Detroit Lions go bankrupt.

--India makes a major investment in its national soccer team and turns it into a World Cup contender.

--A major U.S. pro sports franchise suffers a tragedy similar to the 1958 Munich air crash that devastated Manchester United.
 
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Just for a change of pace, let's ponder some future history sports WIs:

--The Detroit Lions go bankrupt.

--India makes a major investment in its national soccer team and turns it into a World Cup contender.

--A major U.S. pro sports franchise suffers a tragedy similar to the 1958 Munich air crash that devastated Manchester United.

A few more:

--After Shady Brady and Bill Belicheat retire, Matt Walsh and Drew Bledsoe come out with a tell-all book about the 2001 season and the origins of the Spygate situation. Also, Doug Flutie finally talks with Dan LeBatard about the plays coming into the QB's helmet longer than allowed.

--Peyton Manning and the Broncos win the next two Super Bowls. Then, after a two year hiatus, Brock Osweiler leads them to three more SB victories. Broncos are team of 2010's.

--Nick Saban leaves Alabama for USC in 2020.

--Pete Carroll leads Seahawks to Super Bowl in 2015. Two years later, he leaves to go back to the college ranks, this time at Arizona State.

LeBron and Wade only win two more titles together. LeBron never comes close to MJ's six.
 

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--Peyton Manning and the Broncos win the next two Super Bowls. Then, after a two year hiatus, Brock Osweiler leads them to three more SB victories. Broncos are team of 2010's.

--Pete Carroll leads Seahawks to Super Bowl in 2015. Two years later, he leaves to go back to the college ranks, this time at Arizona State.

The Broncos dynasty is sheer ASB if the Chargers, Chiefs and Raiders have anything to say about that. However, I consider it relatively likely that The Broncos could make maybe one Super Bowl this decade, though not with Peyton.

As for The Seahawks, that's a possibility, but Carroll might stay if things start looking dynasty in Seattle. (Which is a greater possibility in Seattle than Denver, given how young and talented the team is.)
 
What if Bill France had never formed NASCAR?

What if Wally Parks hadn't formed NHRA?

What if Big hadn't built rear-engined diggers?:eek:

What if Shirley had never gotten her pro licence?:eek:

What if Mendy Fry had made it into TF/FC?:cool:

What if Erica Enders does make it into TF?:cool: (With that reaction time?:eek: Watch out!:eek:)
 
The Broncos dynasty is sheer ASB if the Chargers, Chiefs and Raiders have anything to say about that. However, I consider it relatively likely that The Broncos could make maybe one Super Bowl this decade, though not with Peyton.

As for The Seahawks, that's a possibility, but Carroll might stay if things start looking dynasty in Seattle. (Which is a greater possibility in Seattle than Denver, given how young and talented the team is.)

I don't think that those teams will stand in the way of the Broncos, at least not the Chiefs and Raiders. SD is building a good D, though, but they need more in the secondary and O-line.

As for Seattle, the NFC will be tough for the next few years. They have less chance of a dynasty than Denver. The Niners, Packers, and Falcons are all strong contenders, and the Bears, Lions, and Saints have potential.
 
As for Seattle, the NFC will be tough for the next few years. They have less chance of a dynasty than Denver.

Especially if Carroll stays head coach past the 2013 season. The man isn't fit to run an Arena League expansion squad, much less an NFL team.
 

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I don't think that those teams will stand in the way of the Broncos, at least not the Chiefs and Raiders. SD is building a good D, though, but they need more in the secondary and O-line.

The Raiders have more pieces in place (especially on Offense) than many people give them credit for, and KC's huge talent pool (They sent six people to the Pro Bowl despite going 2-14) means that they can't really be counted out.

As for Seattle, the NFC will be tough for the next few years. They have less chance of a dynasty than Denver. The Niners, Packers, and Falcons are all strong contenders, and the Bears, Lions, and Saints have potential.

The Niners have some serious aging and salary cap issues coming to a head in the next few years, The Packers and Falcons are overrated, The Bears are a paper tiger, and The Lions and Saints have a lot of question marks surrounding them. The Vikings, Redskins, and Buccaneers are also potential threats, though they each have their own flaws. And there's also Arizona and St. Louis within the division, though the former depends on what QB lands in the desert, and the latter depends on how their young players improve. But Russell Wilson has shown himself to be somebody, and he could end tearing up the NFC over the next several years, especially with their stellar supporting cast.

Especially if Carroll stays head coach past the 2013 season. The man isn't fit to run an Arena League expansion squad, much less an NFL team.

Complete bullshit, he's taken his team to the playoffs twice in his three years there, winning at least once in the post-season both times while developing a shitload of young talent on both sides of the ball.
 
--A major U.S. pro sports franchise suffers a tragedy similar to the 1958 Munich air crash that devastated Manchester United.

All four major sports have a plan in place to resolve this kind of situation (by the by, not that it's a major US franchise, but for another example of this, you need only look at the Lokomotiv Yaroslavl plane crash that occurred in September of 2011.)

The plans are, IIRC, not all for public consumption, but they do exist. There was a TL on here by TRoehl, called 1992: MLB's Black Wednesday in Atlanta, wherein the Pittsburgh Pirates suffered just that kind of catastrophic accident. (I went to look the thread up, since it's worth reviewing if you're interested. It's a damn shame that it was never completed; for that matter, it never made it to the disaster draft. There was some great discussion, though.)

When that thread came up, I did a little digging into this, since the plan intrigued me, and while I couldn't get much on MLB's disaster plan, here's what I did get:

MLB's disaster draft kicks in when either 5/6+ players from a team (different sources give different numbers) die or suffer a career ending injury at the same time. Every team submits an unknown number of players to the league that would be protected; the drafting team selects from the unprotected players until they refill their roster. It is not clear, but it seems likely that the rules stipulate that only one player from a given team may be selected by the drafting team, after which all the other players from the team losing a player would come out of the pool.
 
The Minneapolis Lakers were in a plane crash in the 1950s, it's said they managed to crash-land in the "perfect cornfield", which allowed the plane to have as soft a crash landing as possible with no injuries or deaths. It's very possible that the plane could have gone the way of Buddy Holly's plane.
 
Another couple of NFL what ifs

WI Peyton Manning declares for the NFL draft after his junior year? The Jets had the #1 pick in 1996, and rumor was the only reason Peyton stayed a Tennessee Volunteer in 1997 was because he didn't want to play for the Jets. If Peyton goes and the Jets draft him, the Peyton-Brady rivalry is even more fierce than in OTL.

WI the New York Giants force Jim Lee Howell into retirement in 1958 after "the greatest game ever played" and hire either Vince Lombardi (their offensive coordinator) or Tom Landry (their defensive coordinator as HC? Either coach guarantees the Giants a dynasty between 1959-1963 instead of four more NFL championship game losses. Lombardi as Giants HC makes Giants-Cowboys an even bigger rivalry, especially if Landry goes to the expansion Cowboys (like in OTL).

Lastly, WI Joe Gilliam doesn't succumb to his drug addictions, stays healthy, and beats out Terry Bradshaw for the Steelers QB job in the early 1970s? He actually beat out Bradshaw for a short time in 1974
 
WI Peyton Manning declares for the NFL draft after his junior year? The Jets had the #1 pick in 1996, and rumor was the only reason Peyton stayed a Tennessee Volunteer in 1997 was because he didn't want to play for the Jets. If Peyton goes and the Jets draft him, the Peyton-Brady rivalry is even more fierce than in OTL.

WI the New York Giants force Jim Lee Howell into retirement in 1958 after "the greatest game ever played" and hire either Vince Lombardi (their offensive coordinator) or Tom Landry (their defensive coordinator as HC? Either coach guarantees the Giants a dynasty between 1959-1963 instead of four more NFL championship game losses. Lombardi as Giants HC makes Giants-Cowboys an even bigger rivalry, especially if Landry goes to the expansion Cowboys (like in OTL).

Lastly, WI Joe Gilliam doesn't succumb to his drug addictions, stays healthy, and beats out Terry Bradshaw for the Steelers QB job in the early 1970s? He actually beat out Bradshaw for a short time in 1974

For the Manning one, someone has a timeline on this site about that. If the Jets got Peyton, I wonder if Parcells retires after 1999. If he does, maybe Belichick stays instead of going to New England. If Bill stays with the Jets, I wonder if QB coach Dick Rehbein comes with him. If he does, then maybe they draft Brady to be Peyton's backup(that would be wild to think about today, but at the time, not that surprising).

For the Howell one, I think that Lombardi gets the nod to replace him. Then, Landry goes to Dallas as in OTL. As for the Pack, I don't know what becomes of them. Maybe they suck for another decade until they hire Joe Paterno as Coach and GM in 1969.

As for Gilliam, I think that his problem was that he was too pass-happy. Bradshaw got the running game involved more than Gilliam. Al Davis has also taken credit for the Steelers going back to Bradshaw. He said that Terry wanted Al to trade for him. He said he wouldn't, but that he would put in a good word for him.
 

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WI Peyton Manning declares for the NFL draft after his junior year? The Jets had the #1 pick in 1996, and rumor was the only reason Peyton stayed a Tennessee Volunteer in 1997 was because he didn't want to play for the Jets. If Peyton goes and the Jets draft him, the Peyton-Brady rivalry is even more fierce than in OTL.

Well, I'm not going to argue about the first part. But would Brady even be drafted with the three years of Butterflies to take into account? At Michigan he had a difficult time just getting opportunities to play, so he could've easily ended up burning out. Or maybe he transfers to Cal, and helps pull that team out of the gutter. And maybe The Jets end drafting Tim Rattay (Who was also recommended by Rehbein OTL) as Peyton's backup.
 
Well, I'm not going to argue about the first part. But would Brady even be drafted with the three years of Butterflies to take into account? At Michigan he had a difficult time just getting opportunities to play, so he could've easily ended up burning out. Or maybe he transfers to Cal, and helps pull that team out of the gutter. And maybe The Jets end drafting Tim Rattay (Who was also recommended by Rehbein OTL) as Peyton's backup.

I don't think Brady's performance at Michigan is overtly affected by Peyton Manning being drafted a year earlier. Drew Henson's performance at Michigan (if he outplays Brady to the point where Brady can't get in the game) and his dedication to football over baseball might cause Brady to burn out or transfer to another school in an ATL
 

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I don't think Brady's performance at Michigan is overtly affected by Peyton Manning being drafted a year earlier. Drew Henson's performance at Michigan (if he outplays Brady to the point where Brady can't get in the game) and his dedication to football over baseball might cause Brady to burn out or transfer to another school in an ATL

Everything is affected by everything, that's the butterfly effect in it's simplest form. I've mentioned that the likeliest place that Brady would transfer to would be Cal (Which was a local school for him, being from the Bay Area), which was going through the shitter at the time.
 
Just for a change of pace, let's ponder some future history sports WIs:

--The Detroit Lions go bankrupt.

--India makes a major investment in its national soccer team and turns it into a World Cup contender.

--A major U.S. pro sports franchise suffers a tragedy similar to the 1958 Munich air crash that devastated Manchester United.

I know you said pro teams, but would you agree that the Plane Crash involving Marshall University was kind of like the Munich Air disaster?
 
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