Sequel de Mayo (Cinco de Mayo, Vol. II)
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I’ll have one more update covering the Root admin’s disastrous decision to intervene in Minnesota and then we’ll cover a bunch of international content before getting to the elephant in the room: the Confederate Red Summer
I wonder if Liberals stabbing their Socialist coalition partners in the back will convince the Socialists that being in bed with Liberals coast to coast isn't a good long term strategy going forward. I'm not exactly holding my breath - third parties existing only to help Liberals win elections has been a hallmark of this timeline for decades - but a guy can dream right?
Been nursing an Idea with regards to Freedmen. I could see them being an asset for Northern corporate power. Being used as security in the South and strikebreakers/scabs in the North. Combined with fond memories of Lodge's activism firmly tying them as allies of the Liberal business establishment.
Do You Hear the People Sing?
It is the Song of Angry Men
It is the Music of the People who will.....
hmmm....
well, I can't really finish that now....
Hope Lindbergh comes out of this okay - suspect that if this ends up bolstering his reputation in the long run, we may well see his son following in his stead and becoming one of the big names in Minnesota Democratic politics.
Also, hea just such a fascinating figure in his own right!
Also love seeing the UP get some attention. Did the Houghton Strike of 1913 occured in this ATL? If not, there are going to be a LOT of issues bubbling under the surface in the region, and I suspect that the Copper Country is a tinderbox just waiting for a spark (and, dontcha know, Minneapolis is shooting up sparks like a cheap firework)
Also, hea just such a fascinating figure in his own right!
Also love seeing the UP get some attention
. Did the Houghton Strike of 1913 occured in this ATL? If not, there are going to be a LOT of issues bubbling under the surface in the region, and I suspect that the Copper Country is a tinderbox just waiting for a spark (and, dontcha know, Minneapolis is shooting up sparks like a cheap firework)If you write a first draft, go back and count syllables. Also, since it sounds like a folk song, you can set it to the tune of something well known in that world. Cheers!Do You Hear the People Sing?
It is the Song of Angry Men
It is the Music of the People who will.....
hmmm....
well, I can't really finish that now....
So, I'd never probably come to be ITTL with where my families come from, but it seems that my mom's side will live in Interesting Times down in the Deep South, while my dad's side will have lots more company with more Finns up in northern Wisconsin/UP.
This is the major breaking point for fusionism to combat machine politics, yes.I wonder if Liberals stabbing their Socialist coalition partners in the back will convince the Socialists that being in bed with Liberals coast to coast isn't a good long term strategy going forward. I'm not exactly holding my breath - third parties existing only to help Liberals win elections has been a hallmark of this timeline for decades - but a guy can dream right?
Both-ish
Definitely
Ha! Well, it’s kinda true…Do You Hear the People Sing?
It is the Song of Angry Men
It is the Music of the People who will.....
hmmm....
well, I can't really finish that now....
Keeping the more famous Charles sort of a local Minnesota concern is the plan, yesHope Lindbergh comes out of this okay - suspect that if this ends up bolstering his reputation in the long run, we may well see his son following in his stead and becoming one of the big names in Minnesota Democratic politics.
Also, hea just such a fascinating figure in his own right!
Also love seeing the UP get some attention
Alt-you maybe is a Finnish-American who never leaves Wisconsin?
My dad was from Cincinnati, Ohio and My Mom is from western Kentucky (I'm guessing that her town is as much of a No-go place for Confederate Government workers as anywhere in Kentucky) and they met at University of Kentucky (Louisville). And I live in the suburbs, north of Washington, DC. So I don't exist and more than likely neither does my house.
. It will be interesting to see what happens to the University of Kentucky. OTOH, a reader from Stockholm or Kyoto might pull off "I might actually exist"...
That makes me happy to hear. I'd be even more happy if some sort of third party on the right ever showed up.
The central problem for Democrats is that Liberals are much more cohesive and have been more or less since the party's founding in the late 1870s. If you are a conservative Liberal pissed off that your party is veering towards the center, you are a captive audience because there's no third party on your right for you to vote for. If a progressive Dem is pissed off his party is shifting rightward, he can (and does) vote for the Socialists, or the Populists, or United Labor depending on the era.
On the flip side, if you are a progressive Liberal dismayed that your party is growing more conservative, well, there's also nowhere for you to go. A previous update described this timespan as "an era in which politics was more partisan than personalist for the average voter." That statement tells me the average Liberal voter will stick with the Liberals no matter what. Past elections have shown that - all the Liberals need to do to keep their voters is remind them that Democrats are corrupt (regardless of the merit of that charge) and that's that - Liberal voters will vote Team L.
If that quoted sentence in the above paragraph tells us anything it is that Democrats are going to have to make whatever headway they make by attracting and keeping new voters, not trying to pander to established ones. Trying to pour new wine into old wineskins by unveiling this bold new platform without fixing the party's inherent problems is just going to lead to burst wineskins and more electoral losses.
There’ll be a 3rd party on the right, though it’s decades off yet (remember - Canada is the model).
One reason for Liberal cohesiveness is the perception of Democrats as the party of dirty, Papist immigrants… which is a problem for a party that is a redoubt of the WASP establishment as the post-1880 immigration boom solidifies. Which, to your well-phrased point with the wine skins, is exactly the kind of demographic advantage (especially in Congress thanks to their hold on the Western Wall) that Ds are phasing into as the 1910s come to a close
I think the Libs might be more factionalised, they have the most rightward politicians and at their most extreme occupy the right-wing of the political spectrum (Penrose, Cabot Lodge, Butler, Fairbanks etc.), but also have moderates such as Hughes and progressives such as LaFollette, Johnson etc. who could be described as centre or even centre-left in some respects. The ideological space between the Old Guard's most fervent advocates and the left-wing of the Liberals seems a fair bit more extensive that between the agrarian, radical, western populists and the more socially conservative, eastern Dragons of the Democrats. The Dems seem to have the degree of social liberalism vs conservatism as a key dividing point, while generally being centre to centre-left and progressive economically.
I probably still exist, my farmhand grandfather probably still moves to the local resort town in rural southern Sweden for job opportunitiesMy dad was from Cincinnati, Ohio and My Mom is from western Kentucky (I'm guessing that her town is as much of a No-go place for Confederate Government workers as anywhere in Kentucky) and they met at University of Kentucky (Louisville). And I live in the suburbs, north of Washington, DC. So I don't exist and more than likely neither does my house.
OTOH, a reader from Stockholm or Kyoto might pull off "I might actually exist"...
I broadly agree. The Democrats are certainly more ideologically cohesive, especially around economics.
Put otherwise - Dems are Dems because of what they represent; Libs are Libs because of who they represent
Provided Esperanto is still a thing by 1980 I still exist, and indeed my parents might still have immigrated from Sweden to the US ITTLI probably still exist, my farmhand grandfather probably still moves to the local resort town in rural southern Sweden for job opportunities
This is what I am thinking of.
La Violencia - Wikipedia
The La Violencia conflict took place between the Military Forces of Colombia and the National Police of Colombia supported by Colombian Conservative Party paramilitary groups on one side, and paramilitary and guerrilla groups aligned with the Colombian Liberal Party and the Colombian Communist Party on the other side.