He was not forced to make a choice; upon learning of the King's opinion, several crucial Cabinet ministers flipped and voted to mobilize that evening. King Christian countersigned the mobilization order on March 10th, and a massive demonstration occurred in Copenhagen's Nytorv to celebrate what was assumed to be an imminent declaration of war. One hundred thousand Danish soldiers were mobilized with an additional twenty thousand reservists alerted, and the Danish Navy's war plan was activated with immediate effect. Denmark was, for the first time in fifty-five years, going to war.

The only problem for them, of course, was that Germany was well-aware what the Nytorv demonstrations meant, and their war plans included Denmark, too..." [3]
I must say that for a country that has spent the last 50 years preparing for the German army and navy to come over and crush them and is both relatively prosperous and with easy access to French loans Denmark looks like a surprising walkover if it goes down in 10 days. Denmark in 1919 had a population of about 3 million (3.104 million sans Sleswig in 1921). It should be able to mobilize an army between 225,000 and 350,000 men, by comparison Serbia with a slightly smaller population (2.911) fielded 223,000 men in 1912. And needless to say be massively fortified. Jutland would have a frontage of merely 50 km and can allow multiple lines of defense, from the Danish perspective as long as a line from Kolding to Elsjberg is held the bulk of the population and the economy of the country is secure. And even if the entire Jutland is lost the islands can still be held and supplied. So fall back from fortified line to fortified line till your Scandinavian brethren or a French expeditionary corps or both come to your aid...

One could argue of course that the islands and Copenhagen will be vulnerable to an overwhelmingly superior German navy. But given the geography in question the answer to this is coastal defenses, mines, even more mines, hordes of destroyers and torpedo boats... and if you have money to spare some coastal defense ships like the Swedish Sveriges to back the destroyer and torpedo boat squadrons up. Oh and since we are in 1919 add several dozens Sopwith Cuckoos in the mix. Germany may have 16 dreadnoughts. What it may not do is put them in the meat-grinder for a knife fight and the Danes CAN turn it into a knife fight given the geography.

Soo... what the hell had the Danes been doing since 1864 and simultaneously they are both part of an anti-German alliance and get crushed in 10 days?
 
Soo... what the hell had the Danes been doing since 1864 and simultaneously they are both part of an anti-German alliance and get crushed in 10 days?
I'd say about half the country wasn't interested in revanchism to begin with and considered Denmarks membership in the Iron Triangle purely defensive in nature. Whereas the other half was more interested in beating their chests about revanchism, than actually putting in the hard work of getting stuff done to build up their military.
 
Soo... what the hell had the Danes been doing since 1864 and simultaneously they are both part of an anti-German alliance and get crushed in 10 days?
Miscalculation is the name of the game it seems; they thought France and Austria would overelmwhelme Germany enough and let the Danes cruise by and seize all the territory they wanted, maybe even all of the penisula (for the wildest dreamers)
 
Miscalculation is the name of the game it seems; they thought France and Austria would overelmwhelme Germany enough and let the Danes cruise by and seize all the territory they wanted, maybe even all of the penisula (for the wildest dreamers)
This explains entering the war not losing it in 10 days.
 
This explains entering the war not losing it in 10 days.

I mean it's not stated anywhere that Denmark is totally occupied withing 10 days. I think it's more likely that things largely go badly on land, but with Germany just starting to enter Jutland in that timefrmae, and a big defeat at sea (making the islands and especially Copenhagen vulnerable) tipping things over to them suing for peace.

Everyone can see things are not going to go in their direction, the fleet is destroyed, and cooler heads hit the panic button. Sure a longer defense could be pulled off, but that would essentially destroy the country and still end up with Germany winning.
 
I mean it's not stated anywhere that Denmark is totally occupied withing 10 days. I think it's more likely that things largely go badly on land, but with Germany just starting to enter Jutland in that timefrmae, and a big defeat at sea (making the islands and especially Copenhagen vulnerable) tipping things over to them suing for peace.

Everyone can see things are not going to go in their direction, the fleet is destroyed, and cooler heads hit the panic button. Sure a longer defense could be pulled off, but that would essentially destroy the country and still end up with Germany winning.
Yeah the decision for Denmark to go to war seems to have been a very narrow thing as it was so all its probably going to take is the foretold decisive naval defeat and the pro-peace elements will be able to put their foot down.
 
Beltschlact - Part I
"...Denmark was, by European standards, a military minnow. It had a professional army that was modestly well equipped and with reserves could get close to two hundred thousand men in the field within twelve days; her land defenses were primarily a ring of forts defending western approaches across the island of Zealand towards Copenhagen, and a sturdy but aging defensive line running from Kolding to Esbjerg. As a country that was a combination of a long peninsula and an archipelago that controlled the entrance to the Baltic Sea, it naturally had much invested in the Royal Danish Navy, but the traumatic experience of the two Battles of Copenhagen a century earlier had dissuaded Denmark from building a grand fleet in being, especially in a time where her access to resources was highly controlled by foreign powers. Instead, Denmark had invested herself entirely in a flexible light vessel strategy that was meant to be able to close the Danish Straits; Denmark had not dreadnoughts and cruisers but rather a series of coastal defense ships with guns of excellent range, a large fleet of minelayers, and dozens of submarines modelled after the defensive Spanish Peral series of vessels. She was a popular recipient of outdated boats from France and Britain, and as the war kicked off, Denmark had the means and intention to close the Danish Straits entirely to German vessels.

German planning around Denmark, in the Prussian tradition, allowed for a tremendous amount of initiative and improvisation. Diplomats and generals in Berlin alike were skeptical as to whether Denmark actually would mobilize, and if they did whether it would be to defend their neutrality or with hostile intent. Jagow, perhaps more than anybody else, was entirely convinced that Denmark's liberal, pacifist Prime Minister Carl Theodor Zahle would not even mobilize; Falkenhayn, ever the skeptic, rather advised the Kaiser and Furstenburg that Germany was better off assuming that Denmark would bow to pressure and likely start mining the Danish Straits if nothing else. That this prediction turned out to be true with news of Danish mobilization on March 10th tilted the conversation in Falkenhayn's direction; when Danish mobilization was not just filling the forts at Copenhagen but also the Jutland Line, Germany included Denmark in her declaration of war.

However, German planners viewed Denmark as an obstacle rather than an enemy, and it ranked below Austria and certainly France and Belgium in the German hierarchy of hostility. The plan was to quickly overrun Danish defenses and cut off Zealand from the rest of occupied Denmark in order to force a negotiated peace. Germany allocated 12 divisions to this operation, ten of which were to cross via Jutland and another two that were to cross the Little Belt to Bojden on the island of Funen to rapidly march on Odense, the country's third-largest city. The main thrust of the German Jutland offensive, meanwhile, was meant to capture the small industrial triangle of Kolding, Fredericia and Vejle via overwhelming concentrated force at the eastern end of the Jutland Line and then continue pressing north, with the weight of German attackers ending their march at Aarhus while mop-up cavalry operations ended in Randers and Viborg. This would leave Germany in control of all of eastern Jutland's major towns and cities and, critically, its roads and railroads, and control of Odense would cut off Copenhagen from Jutland; the offensive ending where it did would also isolate Aalborg in the north. Due to the relatively low population of Denmark's west coast - flat, sandy, and marshy - this operation, known as Case D, would break the country in two by land and ferry.

Secondary to this operation, but no less important, was the Kaiserliche Marine rapidly seizing control of the Danish Straits, known as the Belts. The idea was to quickly establish supremacy at sea on both sides of Funen and thus be able to cut off Zealand entirely, ending the ability of Copenhagen to resupply Aalborg, and vice versa. Ideally, this would force Denmark's hand into surrender, because Falkenhayn was highly confident that Denmark would fold rather than see a German force attacking across Zealand..."

- The Reich at War

"...Germany attacked Denmark a whole day later than Austria, in part due to skepticism up until the last second that Denmark indeed wanted to poke the bear. But with the arrival of a Danish declaration of war alongside the French one, Case D was triggered, and the 3rd Army under Ludwig von Estorff launched their attack across the full seventy kilometer frontier, with seven divisions attacking the Kolding end of the Jutland Line and three divisions tying down the rest with mobile artillery and sporadic probing attacks.

On the 14th, Denmark was still only halfway into their mobilization and defenses around Vamdrup and Kolding were still undermanned; German troops quickly overwhelmed not just border checkpoints and fortified positions such as pillboxes and small open-aired forts but essentially marched into Kolding in force. A day later, the German Army had similarly seized Fredericia just twelve kilometers away, succeeding in quick fashion in achieving all of their second-day objectives. By the 16th, most Danish soldiers had regrouped and rallied towards the north, but the quick failure of the Jutland Line had essentially sealed their fate.

Key to the rapid German advance of March 14-20 across Jutland was, of course, their deployment of motorized personnel carrier and armored vehicles. Germany had been a skeptic of landship development due to the mountainous terrain they would face in a war with Austria or France, but Denmark's wide, open and flat land proved to be an important testing ground for motorized offensive theory that Prussian generals were eager to study, and some concepts of what would within a few decades be known as "combined arms" were deployed across Denmark. German light bombers and strafing craft attacked Danish positions in combination with artillery while German infantry could be moved rapidly in short distances by truck or armored personnel vehicle; the rudimentary but effective A7V and B9 landships were able to scatter Danish defenders and force frequent retreats. Every few hours, German soldiers would stop, regroup, and then attack again with artillery and aerial barrages timed well together and designed more to harrass and concern the enemy than pulverize them. Late in the evening of March 20, the German Army had driven into Aarhus, one day earlier than their offensive timetable demanded.

Military strategists have debated for decades the reasons for Jutland's quick fall. The Danes were a low spender on their army compared to other combatants but were clearly overwhelmed at Kolding with the speed, ferocity and innovation of Germany's offensive. Danish historians have faulted the Zahle government for a lack of preparation; German scholars, meanwhile, have been more complimentary, pointing out that Danish men fought bravely and doggedly all the way to Aalborg, but that the problem was that Danish military planning deployed over half of the standing army to defend the defensive lines towards Copenhagen and almost treated Jutland as a fait accompli in the case of a land war. This was not, on its own, an unreasonable strategy; even after the surrender of Denmark on March 24, Zealand remained untaken even if she lay blockaded, and the expense and effort it would have taken Germany to stage an amphibious invasion of the island and march on Copenhagen would have dramatically increased the damage and casualties for both parties, firmly against the political preferences of Berlin to execute a quick, relatively bloodless war on Denmark and knock them out of the conflict and into a pro-German camp once the war was over.

Of course, the quick march to Aarhus is just part of the story, and Case D was a tale of two offensives: the smashing success of a proto-combined arms strategy across Jutland harrying Danish defenders much more quickly than the Danish (or their French and Austrian allies) had anticipated was offset by the dramatic failure of the German attempts to land on Funen for the first four days of the campaign. The Royal Danish Navy was small but enjoyed clever planners and an arsenal that was designed to defend the archipelago; minelaying had begun on March 10th, the day of mobilization, and the minefields in the Langelands Belt, the Great Belt, and the Fehmarn Belt were not entirely at their full capacity the morning of March 14th, but within two days they would be close to eighty percent of their planned coverage, in addition to minefields laid out on the southern approaches to Copenhagen on the Ostersund passage. Additionally, the Royal Danish Navy had twenty submarines deployed "below the Belts," designed with defensive purposes in mind; short-range, quiet, and heavily-armed due to the low diesel needs thanks to close-in submarine bases. As news arrived that the German Army was punching into the Kolding defenses early on the morning of March 14, a preemptive strike was ordered, with seven Danish subs attacking Apenrade's harbor facilities as an additional six slipped into the Flensburg fjord and fired their torpedoes at the gathered fishing and sailboats that were meant to serve as the primary troop transports to attack Funen; the Danish operation against Apenrade and Flensburg did not destroy all German capabilities, but badly limited them, badly delaying the ability to launch an attack across the Little Belt towards Odense on the first day of the war. German U-boats were deployed through the Kiel Canal ahead of the main battle group intended to clear the Great Belt, with the threat of Danish submarines clearly having been underestimated; the stage, thus, was set for the first major naval engagement of the conflict, and in Germany and Denmark the most famous - the Beltschlact, or the Battle of the Belts..."

- The Central European War
 
We'll get a second socialist republic after Chile.
Doubt it. Germany would be more than loathe to tolerate a socialist republic on its border, at least when compared to Bolivia or Argentina. Far more likely that Frederick IX succeeds to the throne after his father abdicates.

On an unrelated note, just spent the better part of the past month trying to play catch up after having not been around enough to read. A lot has happened since, holy cow.
 
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the Danish operation against Apenrade and Flensburg did not destroy all German capabilities, but badly limited them, badly delaying the ability to launch an attack across the Little Belt towards Odense on the first day of the war. German U-boats were deployed through the Kiel Canal ahead of the main battle group intended to clear the Great Belt, with the threat of Danish submarines clearly having been underestimated; the stage, thus, was set for the first major naval engagement of the conflict, and in Germany and Denmark the most famous - the Beltschlact, or the Battle of the Belts..."
Hmm. What are the U-boats supposed to be doing here? Not hunt down the Danish submarines for certain hunter-killer boats are about 4 decades in the future...
 
Isnt Steinfurt near Nederlands? How do they go from Arlon in Belgium to Nederlands in one day?
Steinfort, Luxembourg, Germanized
Yep everyone in Rome will consider Montenegro in the italian sphere of influence so any Ottoman attempt to extend their influence there will not taken well and opposed immediately but increased influence in Serbia can be accepted more easily (nobody in Italy will be very happy but it will be more easy to digest)
Yeah, Serbia is a bit more peripheral to Italian concerns. Though since they share a royal house with Montenegro now (post-1913) it’s a bit more of a live concern
I would be thinking the Ottomans at the moment are... shall we say horrified at the prospect Russia will be back for a return engagement now that the rest of Europe are tied down killing each other? Meddling in Serbia and Montenegro seems an excellent way to bring that forth?
Yeah, this is why my comment was meant to allude to a maximalist Ottoman position, not a likely one. They’re quite content to sit this shit out, as they have frequently on other European conflicts
That's literally twice as long as I thought Denmark would last...so good job Danes?
They’ve got some decent defenses, especially at sea, but Jutland’s geography does not lend itself well to the defender
His plataform is basically "I told u bro, I warned u."
More or less. He was also very much one of those “popular sentiment is too emotional to trust with governance” elite types, so expect some democratic backsliding in Denmark in the early-to-mid 20th century
So, the ten day war AND the Danish Navy resting on the bottom of the Baltic might lead to a revolution and an abolition of the monarchy. At the very least, Christian X is probably forced to abdicate.
The monarchy will not be abolished
Frederick the IX (I think) will be takeing the throne so much earlier is my guess because I think the tolerance for non Swiss republics is zero in europe
Perhaps
I mean consider their performance in WW2, they definitely give their best here.
Absolutely. Ten days vs ten hours.

Of course, the lack of paratroopers helps a lot.
Time for some more population estimates right before the Central European War broke out. I previously estimated Germany and Italy's populations to be 69,0 million and 40,1 million in 1915, using estimated growth rates of 1,228% per year for Germany and 0.814% for Italy. If those same rates were used for the 4 years from 1915 to 1919 then the following populations could be roughly estimated.

Germany: 69 021 138*(1,01228)^4 = 73 364 404 people.
Italy: 40 087 502*(1,00814)^4 = 41 408 774 people.

France had a TTL population of 46 810 371 in 1910. OTL from 1910-1913 they grew from 41.35 million to 41.62 million by 270 000 or 0,217% per year. Without adjusting for TTL higher birth rates and better economic development, it would give a 1919 population of 46 810 371*(1,00217)^9 = 47 732 553. OTL from 1901 to 1911 France grew from 38 962 000 to 39 605 000 by 0,16% per year or (1,0016)^10 = 1,61% in total versus TTL's growth of 3,8% from 1900-1910 which is (3,8/1,61 = 2,36 times higher). This would give a growth rate from 1910-1919 of 0,217*2,36 = 0,512% per year which equals a 1919 population of 46 810 371*(1,00512)^9 = 49 012 100.53.

Austria had a population of 51 005 617 in 1910 TTL and had a growth rate of 10% over the decade equal to 0,957% per year. We know that Austria Hungary is more prosperous than OTL and the 1910s have been a better decade for living standards (reducing things like emigration) and likely boosting population growth a bit (say by 10%) which then equals 1,053% per year and a TTL 1919 population of 51 005 617*(1,01053)^9 = 56 048 101 people in 1919.

The Iron Triangle's two main powers have a total population of 56,0 million + 49,0 million = 105-105,1 million, and the Central Powers have 73,3 million + 41,4 million = 114,7-114,8 million. Belgium and Denmark do go some way to correcting this and likely give the Iron Triangle a very slight population edge.
Excellent stuff and looks about right. I will be threadmarking this
I must say that for a country that has spent the last 50 years preparing for the German army and navy to come over and crush them and is both relatively prosperous and with easy access to French loans Denmark looks like a surprising walkover if it goes down in 10 days. Denmark in 1919 had a population of about 3 million (3.104 million sans Sleswig in 1921). It should be able to mobilize an army between 225,000 and 350,000 men, by comparison Serbia with a slightly smaller population (2.911) fielded 223,000 men in 1912. And needless to say be massively fortified. Jutland would have a frontage of merely 50 km and can allow multiple lines of defense, from the Danish perspective as long as a line from Kolding to Elsjberg is held the bulk of the population and the economy of the country is secure. And even if the entire Jutland is lost the islands can still be held and supplied. So fall back from fortified line to fortified line till your Scandinavian brethren or a French expeditionary corps or both come to your aid...

One could argue of course that the islands and Copenhagen will be vulnerable to an overwhelmingly superior German navy. But given the geography in question the answer to this is coastal defenses, mines, even more mines, hordes of destroyers and torpedo boats... and if you have money to spare some coastal defense ships like the Swedish Sveriges to back the destroyer and torpedo boat squadrons up. Oh and since we are in 1919 add several dozens Sopwith Cuckoos in the mix. Germany may have 16 dreadnoughts. What it may not do is put them in the meat-grinder for a knife fight and the Danes CAN turn it into a knife fight given the geography.

Soo... what the hell had the Danes been doing since 1864 and simultaneously they are both part of an anti-German alliance and get crushed in 10 days?
Some of this is to be addressed. But to your point, the Danish Straits are natural chokepoints, and the Battle of the Belts may knock Denmark out of the war while still being a daring effort on the Danish part
I'd say about half the country wasn't interested in revanchism to begin with and considered Denmarks membership in the Iron Triangle purely defensive in nature. Whereas the other half was more interested in beating their chests about revanchism, than actually putting in the hard work of getting stuff done to build up their military.
This is part of it; the revanchism is very huge a plurality elite sentiment. Politics will drive Denmark out of the war as much, if not more, than results on the battlefield
I mean it's not stated anywhere that Denmark is totally occupied withing 10 days. I think it's more likely that things largely go badly on land, but with Germany just starting to enter Jutland in that timefrmae, and a big defeat at sea (making the islands and especially Copenhagen vulnerable) tipping things over to them suing for peace.

Everyone can see things are not going to go in their direction, the fleet is destroyed, and cooler heads hit the panic button. Sure a longer defense could be pulled off, but that would essentially destroy the country and still end up with Germany winning.
This is more or less the thrust of it. Zealand will be unoccupied when the war ends
Doubt it. Germany would be more than loathe to tolerate a socialist republic on its border, at least when compared to Bolivia or Argentina. Far more likely that Frederick IX succeeds to the throne after his father abdicates.

On an unrelated note, just spent the better part of the past month trying to play catch up after having not been around enough to read. A lot has happened since, holy cow.
Welcome back!
Hmm. What are the U-boats supposed to be doing here? Not hunt down the Danish submarines for certain hunter-killer boats are about 4 decades in the future...
Mainly to get under the minefields and in forward clearance operations; as you pointed out, hurling a dread or two with their escorts into the thick of the Great Belt or the Ostersund’s southern approaches would not be wise
Are we gonna see an alt-Jutland between Germany and France at some point?
Not quite; France wouldn’t want to test Britain’s patience by deploying that aggressively through Dover
Submarine hunters were not developed for some time; subs were basically at this point just torpedo boats that could submerge safely.

Thanks to Isaac Peral the submarine tech of TTL is well ahead of OTL. But it is still not at the sophisticated Hunter-Killer stage yet, and only began to be explored as an offensive rather than defensive element in the GAW (navies had before that sought to use them how they Spanish did to great effect against Japan at Manila)
 
I do find it interesting that in Germany there historians respect the danish troops I imagine it’s somewhat similar to the reputation of the Mexican American front in the gaw (but I could be over analyzing) also sad for democratic backslide of n Denmark
 
Even if France eventually loses, think on the positive side: La Marseillaise or Chant du Départ will once again be France's anthem, as I doubt the Second Empire will survive.
 
Damm, Denmark is going to be Chile-ed in the CEW

Once the Germans sucessfully take over Jutland, Immediate ceasefire followed by peace treaty.

Now really Chile-ed. First, Chile lasted a whole helluva lot longer than Denmar is going to. Second, unlike the US attitue towards Chile, Germany's attitude towards Denmark is a bit akin to someone who's little brother took a swing at them. Yes, they're gonna put them down, but they don't want to hurt them too badly. As the text of the entry even states, Germany viewed them more as an obstacle than an enemy.

So Denmark is likely coming ou of this war in far, far, better shape that Chile ccould have dreamed of in the GAW.
 
Now really Chile-ed. First, Chile lasted a whole helluva lot longer than Denmar is going to. Second, unlike the US attitue towards Chile, Germany's attitude towards Denmark is a bit akin to someone who's little brother took a swing at them. Yes, they're gonna put them down, but they don't want to hurt them too badly. As the text of the entry even states, Germany viewed them more as an obstacle than an enemy.

So Denmark is likely coming ou of this war in far, far, better shape that Chile ccould have dreamed of in the GAW.
I'm not completely sure whether the borders were the same after the wars of the 1860s ittl, but I *could* see Denmark escaping from this with little territorial loss and/or monetary cost, they might even end up better off than Mexico in a peace treaty.
 
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