The double standard you've set up in this timeline is staggering. If a Democratic administration was half as corrupt and half as inept as the Hughes Cabinet has been the public would be howling and would throw them out on their asses. You know how I know? That's exactly what happened in 1912!

Yet the Liberals, once again, operate under different political rules. When will the decades of Liberal "well actually, we're the party of good clean government!" hypocrisy finally bite them in the ass?
You’re just mad that Liberals are left of the democrats when it comes to economics. If the democrats are to win they need to stop being reactionary. What was the point of them absorbing leftist parties if they’re not going to bother appealing to them
 
Not to spoil too much but there’s a reason we introduce one Andrew Mellon in this update!
Big deal. The Libs will still shout "corruption!" and the electorate will disregard everything bad they do and fall in line. The fact that the electorate is absolving them of Herrick/Goff/Ballinger and falling for the same old tired playbook is proof enough.
 
Big deal. The Libs will still shout "corruption!" and the electorate will disregard everything bad they do and fall in line. The fact that the electorate is absolving them of Herrick/Goff/Ballinger and falling for the same old tired playbook is proof enough.
Welcome to politics, I guess.

In any case, just think of those three straight Democratic terms from 1921-1933 that are coming up soon to cheer yourself up.
"...anxiety.

It was lost on nobody that Root had never himself run on a general election ticket for any office, and though he was - for a lifelong bureaucrat, at least - a fairly talented orator who had spoken at every Liberal convention since 1888, a great deal of pressure was made to keep him "above the fray" of a general election campaign, both due to his rust as a campaigner and to create a sense of inevitability around his candidacy and lean into the public perception of him as a talented administrator hard at work in Philadelphia to bring the war to a conclusion.

Root did not mind this, and his contribution to the campaign was remaining cloistered in the capital meeting with diplomats and dignitaries while promising "the grand plan for peace" that would follow the conclusion of the presidential campaign and the war, meeting well-wishers at his fairly modest townhouse on Chestnut Street and giving interviews to any journalist, domestic or foreign, who needed a quote, all while a legion of surrogates fanned out across New York and the competitive Midwest where the election would be won or lost to make his case. Hughes was highly reluctant, due to his concerns for decorum while the war was still ongoing, to make many campaign stops, as was Vice President Hadley; instead, Root relied upon figures as diverse as Pennsylvania Senator Boies Penrose and American Bar Association chairman George Wickersham to rally conservatives put off by the Hughes Presidency's statism to the Hiram Johnsons, Bainbridge Colbys and Richard Yateses of the world to speak plainly to progressives about the need to keep the momentum of the Hughes years headed forward and "keep the fingers of Tammany off of the articles of peace."

The campaign of 1916 did not occur in a vacuum, of course, and was subsumed by events in the South but also, increasingly, at home. August and September of 1916 are remembered for Pershing's March to the Sea, and October for the final liberation of Texas and the mass surrenders in Alabama, Mississippi and Florida that placed American landships in spitting distance of New Orleans, and popular history acts in many ways as if nothing of import occurred other than the rapid collapse of the Confederacy in the final four months of the war starting in Atlanta and Richmond. But the first signs of economic trouble revealed itself as early as the late summer of 1916; shipyards in Seattle and Oakland had long since begun shuttering their production lines or converting tonnage to civilian vessels after two years of trying to produce as many naval hulls as they could, and unemployment in both cities more than doubled over the course of late 1916, presaging issues as munitions factories, textile mills producing uniforms, and other industrial production for wartime began gradually slowing down their output in anticipation that the needs of December 1916 would be well below those of September 1916. Stimson did his best at trying to manage this slowdown, using Root's deputies to secure contracts to sell munitions brokered through Drexel & Morgan, but hours being cut was already a discussion being had in local newspapers as the campaign advanced.

The economic minds behind the American war machine were fairly divided on what, if anything, to do about this issue. Much of the labor that swelled American industry in 1913-16 was foreign-born, and many politicians within the Liberal Party ambivalent about immigration suggested that a labor surplus could perhaps persuade unemployed Italians, Poles and Serbs who had made great sums in the war years to return home to start families and live comfortably in Europe. Other figures, such as New York's powerful financier George Baker or the soon-to-be-infamous Andrew Mellon, [1] viewed the coming labor glut and wind down of industrial wartime production as an opportunity to perhaps undo some of the "statist" rationing and economically nationalist policies Hughes had put in place that they believed, incorrectly, would be illusory and temporary.

While the consortium of bankers and investors who had helped finance the war, led by J.P. "Jack" Morgan, Jr. were not the shadowy cabal of puppeteers in the Root era that they were often perceived as or even particularly allied to the administration - Morgan was heavily exposed to massive amounts of French loans and assets and spent little time concerned with domestic American politics after the end of the war, while Baker never forgave Root his full-throated support of a peacetime income tax and made it a point not to associate - the men who had collectively financed the behemoth that crushed the Bloc Sud were in sharp disagreement on what the postwar period would look like, only that a sharp break from the economic trajectory of the Hearst and Hughes years was needed..." [2][3][4]

- The Root of the Problem: The Tumultuous Term of America's 29th President

[1] Foreshadowing...
[2] Suffice to say this is not going to end well, for Root or anybody else.
[3] As a further addendum to this, the US finds itself in a very different situation here having Morgan, Baker et al not be the financiers for Britain and France, and thus emerging as a net creditor, but rather having them finance an American war, which means that the balance sheet facing the US in terms of its red ledger is primarily domestic. This is a big part of what makes the USA's economic foundations in the dire 1917-21 period so shaky; it has ballooning debt after the war and will have a deflationary, fiscally tight-fisted government in place during that time right as demobilization occurs and they have to start servicing that debt
[4] The idea for this update, for whatever it is worth, is based on the 1918-19 and 1945 recessions, which began even before the war ended but when it was obvious that peace was at hand and wartime production started to rapidly wind down in anticipation.
Jesus, Root's tenure is just going to be lurching from disaster to disaster isn't it?
 
Welcome to politics, I guess.

In any case, just think of those three straight Democratic terms from 1921-1933 that are coming up soon to cheer yourself up.
Would be a lot more cheerful if one of those terms wasn't Al "hey, let's give away a Senate seat for no reason at all!" Smith.
 
Welcome to politics, I guess.

In any case, just think of those three straight Democratic terms from 1921-1933 that are coming up soon to cheer yourself up.

Jesus, Root's tenure is just going to be lurching from disaster to disaster isn't it?
Some more avoidable than others but, yes. It won’t quite be OTL 1929-33 bad but still a very rough run
 
Gonna put this one out to the readers - 1916 has the US election content, end-of-war content, and international in Europe content before it wraps, and I’ll probably do each in turn.

Does anybody have a request for order? My instinct is to do the easier election stuff and then wrap the war, then international
 
Gonna put this one out to the readers - 1916 has the US election content, end-of-war content, and international in Europe content before it wraps, and I’ll probably do each in turn.

Does anybody have a request for order? My instinct is to do the easier election stuff and then wrap the war, then international
That way seems best, tbh. I mean, the election is certainly a by-product of the war itself, and I assume that the Peace Treaty wi;ll be arbitrated by an internations player themselves, so I would think that the international last, especially their varied reactions and anaysis' will be interesting.
 
Gonna put this one out to the readers - 1916 has the US election content, end-of-war content, and international in Europe content before it wraps, and I’ll probably do each in turn.

Does anybody have a request for order? My instinct is to do the easier election stuff and then wrap the war, then international
Election, Armistice a week or so later, then an international update set late Nov/early December 1916 seems like a good way to go.

Not that it matters much given the Thanos-like inevitability of Root but what's McClellan/the rest of the Dems up to fall of 1916? Doesn't need to be a full update of course, just curious.
 
Election, Armistice a week or so later, then an international update set late Nov/early December 1916 seems like a good way to go.

Not that it matters much given the Thanos-like inevitability of Root but what's McClellan/the rest of the Dems up to fall of 1916? Doesn't need to be a full update of course, just curious.
That’ll be part of the rundown! I’ll probably portray that from Norris’ POV since out of all the major US political figures atm he’s probably my favorite
 
has ballooning debt after the war and will have a deflationary, fiscally tight-fisted government
This went so very well for the British IOTL…

Also, I find the timing of the end of the “shaky” period less than coincidental given what we know of the Central European War.

Presumably we’re selling “trade goods” to whomever has cold, hard gold?
 
This went so very well for the British IOTL…

Also, I find the timing of the end of the “shaky” period less than coincidental given what we know of the Central European War.

Presumably we’re selling “trade goods” to whomever has cold, hard gold?
Britain’s postwar debacles/shenanigans is indeed part of the inspiration!

Correct - the CEW serves more or less as a major shot in the arm for the US economy, though not immediately and not without serious disruptions first.
Most underrated villain in American history, to be honest. Of course, he is going to be important.
That is very well put
 
You’re just mad that Liberals are left of the democrats when it comes to economics. If the democrats are to win they need to stop being reactionary. What was the point of them absorbing leftist parties if they’re not going to bother appealing to them
You joke (I think?) but you actually aren't wrong. Liberals are the one who jacked up the income tax to thirty percent. Liberals are the ones who nationalized the railroads. Liberals are the ones who instituted a Grain Board and banned the shipment of liquor across state lines. I mean, why else do you think the Socialists have allied with the Liberals in Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin, and God knows where else? Because they either are A - dupes or B - realize that being de facto Liberals is a winning ticket.

The issue isn't that those things are bad - I actually thing all those things (except the Prohibition part) are good. The issue is that there's zero actual electoral consequences to the Liberal coalition. The author has written over and over and over about the right wing of the Liberal Party is mad and they're not gonna take all this statist action lying down and blah blah blah but they're still gonna show up and vote for Root so who cares? Their coalition is, because of a complete lack of a third party [1] affecting them incredibly resilient and doesn't suffer at all from the party lurching towards the left. All Liberals have to do is yell "Tammany Hall!" and their hardcore right wing voters will forget that Hughes is way more left than Hearst could ever dream of, will fall in line and vote for Team L. Their extreme political resilience, combined with the fact that ITTL only Democratic politicians are dumb, shortsighted, and greedy, keeps Liberals on top.

So yes, in closing, Liberals are to the left of Democrats - yet their right-wing base won't ever abandon them because of it.

[1] It has been at least forty years and at least four different third parties existing to only screw over Democrats - there's never been one that siphons away enough voters from the Liberals to actually matter. Funny how that works.
 
You joke (I think?) but you actually aren't wrong. Liberals are the one who jacked up the income tax to thirty percent. Liberals are the ones who nationalized the railroads. Liberals are the ones who instituted a Grain Board and banned the shipment of liquor across state lines. I mean, why else do you think the Socialists have allied with the Liberals in Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin, and God knows where else? Because they either are A - dupes or B - realize that being de facto Liberals is a winning ticket.

The issue isn't that those things are bad - I actually thing all those things (except the Prohibition part) are good. The issue is that there's zero actual electoral consequences to the Liberal coalition. The author has written over and over and over about the right wing of the Liberal Party is mad and they're not gonna take all this statist action lying down and blah blah blah but they're still gonna show up and vote for Root so who cares? Their coalition is, because of a complete lack of a third party [1] affecting them incredibly resilient and doesn't suffer at all from the party lurching towards the left. All Liberals have to do is yell "Tammany Hall!" and their hardcore right wing voters will forget that Hughes is way more left than Hearst could ever dream of, will fall in line and vote for Team L. Their extreme political resilience, combined with the fact that ITTL only Democratic politicians are dumb, shortsighted, and greedy, keeps Liberals on top.

So yes, in closing, Liberals are to the left of Democrats - yet their right-wing base won't ever abandon them because of it.

[1] It has been at least forty years and at least four different third parties existing to only screw over Democrats - there's never been one that siphons away enough voters from the Liberals to actually matter. Funny how that works.
I mean, the Libs are occupying a niche similar to the OTL Republicans and the Dems are still the Dems, even with the most horrific portion surgically removed. IOTL the GOP was the dominant party in this time, so it's really not surprising that the Libs are the natural party of government in that same time with the most Democratic part of the country IOTL busy being the morally abhorrent country on Earth.

Though it seems like after this the Dems are transitioning towards being the natural party of government soon enough.
 
I feel it needs to be said that this is the guy who inspired Mr. Moneybags from the board game Monopoly. So, you know that he's Bad News.
I can see the resemblance! Explains a lot, frankly
You joke (I think?) but you actually aren't wrong. Liberals are the one who jacked up the income tax to thirty percent. Liberals are the ones who nationalized the railroads. Liberals are the ones who instituted a Grain Board and banned the shipment of liquor across state lines. I mean, why else do you think the Socialists have allied with the Liberals in Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin, and God knows where else? Because they either are A - dupes or B - realize that being de facto Liberals is a winning ticket.

The issue isn't that those things are bad - I actually thing all those things (except the Prohibition part) are good. The issue is that there's zero actual electoral consequences to the Liberal coalition. The author has written over and over and over about the right wing of the Liberal Party is mad and they're not gonna take all this statist action lying down and blah blah blah but they're still gonna show up and vote for Root so who cares? Their coalition is, because of a complete lack of a third party [1] affecting them incredibly resilient and doesn't suffer at all from the party lurching towards the left. All Liberals have to do is yell "Tammany Hall!" and their hardcore right wing voters will forget that Hughes is way more left than Hearst could ever dream of, will fall in line and vote for Team L. Their extreme political resilience, combined with the fact that ITTL only Democratic politicians are dumb, shortsighted, and greedy, keeps Liberals on top.

So yes, in closing, Liberals are to the left of Democrats - yet their right-wing base won't ever abandon them because of it.

[1] It has been at least forty years and at least four different third parties existing to only screw over Democrats - there's never been one that siphons away enough voters from the Liberals to actually matter. Funny how that works.
I think this analysis misses the forest for the trees a bit; the Hughes admin's imposition of these various policies wasn't stemming from seeing the light and deciding they're lefties on policy all of a sudden but rather desperate measures in wartime, and the right-wing base (at least the party bosses) definitely did start to turn on Hughes - its a big reason why he stepped aside and the more conservative Root (not Penrose/Lowden conservative, but definitely well to Hughes' right) was drafted into running instead.
I mean, the Libs are occupying a niche similar to the OTL Republicans and the Dems are still the Dems, even with the most horrific portion surgically removed. IOTL the GOP was the dominant party in this time, so it's really not surprising that the Libs are the natural party of government in that same time with the most Democratic part of the country IOTL busy being the morally abhorrent country on Earth.

Though it seems like after this the Dems are transitioning towards being the natural party of government soon enough.
More or less this. The Liberals haven't been as dominant as the OTL GOP was (besides their run in the Senate 1881-1901 that was abetted by the Populists during the early 1890s) during their rise, but that's still the rough facsimile that the era is based on. We've just spent so much time in this period due to how much the pacing slowed down for the GAW and the period immediately before it that it seems they've been around way longer than they actually have; the Boxer War content was written almost two years ago!
 
I think this analysis misses the forest for the trees a bit; the Hughes admin's imposition of these various policies wasn't stemming from seeing the light and deciding they're lefties on policy all of a sudden but rather desperate measures in wartime, and the right-wing base (at least the party bosses) definitely did start to turn on Hughes - its a big reason why he stepped aside and the more conservative Root (not Penrose/Lowden conservative, but definitely well to Hughes' right) was drafted into running instead.
In terms of actual policy passed you can make the argument that Hughes is the most left-wing President the US has ever had up to this point. I'm not particularly interested in the why - just that when push comes to shove he's almost always gone with the more leftist outcome.

Literally ever other national Liberal with the possible exception of La Follette is to Hughes's right. Root himself may be "more conservative" but he's been a huge advocate of an income tax for a long time, which up til now had been anathema to the Libs. Yet he got the nomination and will win the general election anyway. Guys like Penrose and Butler and Lowden may bitch and moan but at the end of the day they fall in line. They always fall in line.
 
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