That is the POD: there is no invasion of Spain. The Bourbons remain on the Spanish throne, Napoleon does not invade Spain and there is no resistance. There simply aren't any rebels because there aren't any French to fight - the Portuguese campaign was small and quick, the French came and went with the full support of the Spanish government.
Napoleon's Victory [LONG]
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Yes but you still put Joseph on the throne, the Spanish hated him, and would of rebelled against him.
Edit: also you don't even have the Rebellions of 1848 or any Filipino revolt, how to the French avoid both.
Edit: also you don't even have the Rebellions of 1848 or any Filipino revolt, how to the French avoid both.
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Yeah, it seems so. I guess that the Filipino problem flew away too, with the French having to be the best statesmen in this TL. Also the whole problem I have with the native country, well as much as that makes no sense, or the 1824 election got somehow butterflied too.
French Dakar
Dear Zach,
Excellent post!! Just one small quibble: Dakar in our timeline was a French outpost from the 15th century on, and find it hard to believe that some upstart like a reconstructed Portugal would gain control of it in the scramble for Africa.
Beside that, I can't wait for the Great War updates...
Dear Zach,
Excellent post!! Just one small quibble: Dakar in our timeline was a French outpost from the 15th century on, and find it hard to believe that some upstart like a reconstructed Portugal would gain control of it in the scramble for Africa.
Beside that, I can't wait for the Great War updates...
Wait until you see what I'm doing w/Jackson and with the Native Americans in my "Course of Human Events" TL.
Zach: I apologize for promoting my TL on yours. I am looking forward to your Great War updates.
Just learned something, the King of Saxony was also Duke of Poland, so what happens, does he surrender his throne or does Napoleon force him abdicate?
Hm, that's pretty interesting. How about...he remains the King of Saxony and a Duke of Poland, but his Duke title is inferior to the King of Poland and is largely ceremonial.
No problem! By all means advertise all you want
That's a really good point. The only explanation I can offer for this is that the French, possessing half of Africa anyway, happily give away Dakar to their new vassal state to help them 1) make up for their lost African colonies (now under Brazilian jurisdiction) and 2) encourage the Portuguese under a Bonaparte to further imperialism. After all, the French do not need this outpost if so much more of Africa is theirs. Also, they may note that Dakar was originally founded by the Portuguese so why not hand it back to them, especially while they are also run by Bonapartes?
No problem! By all means advertise all you want
That's a really good point. The only explanation I can offer for this is that the French, possessing half of Africa anyway, happily give away Dakar to their new vassal state to help them 1) make up for their lost African colonies (now under Brazilian jurisdiction) and 2) encourage the Portuguese under a Bonaparte to further imperialism. After all, the French do not need this outpost if so much more of Africa is theirs. Also, they may note that Dakar was originally founded by the Portuguese so why not hand it back to them, especially while they are also run by Bonapartes?
I don't want to come across as impatient, so just look at me as excited but when exactly can we expect the next update? I'm really waiting for that Great War to come up.
Royalty
For fans of royalty, I created family trees a while ago for all the European nations with royal families. On second thought, it is really difficult to post them in this format so this is the best I can do
FRANCE
Napoleon I (1769-1829, r. 1804-1829) – Marie Louise of Austria (1791-1847)
---1. Napoleon II (1811-1880, r. 1829-1880) – Louise Augusta of Prussia (1808-1870)
------1. Napoleon III (1833-1911, r. 1880-1911) – Alexandra of Denmark (1844-1925)
---------1. Napoleon IV (1865-1948, r. 1911-1948) – Elizabeth of Naples (1867-1942)
------------1. Catherine I (1898-1967, r. 1948-1967)
---------------1. Napoleon V (1933- , r. 1967-)
---------2. Joseph (1866-1935) – Louise of Saxony (1868-1913)
------------1. Louise (1889-1968) – George of Wurttemberg
------------2. Napoleon (1890-1972) – Sofia of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (1900-1921)
---------------1. Catherine (1921-) – Henry of Prussia (1923-1991)
------------3. Charles (1891-1933) - Eugenie of Sweden (1891-1976)
------------4. Georgia (1892-1992)
---------3. Josephine (1867-1950) – Phillip of Saxe-Coburg (1859-1940)
---------4. Maria (1869-1950) – Ludwig of Bavaria
---------5. Charles (1870-1903) – Caroline of Southern Lusitania (1875-1902)
------------1. Napoleon (1900-1999) – Sofia of Portugal (1900-1977)
---------------1. Joseph (1925-)
---------------2. Adolph (1927-1950)
------------2. Alice (1902-1998) – Frederick of Warsaw (1900-1933)
---------6. Ferdinand (1871-1952) – Elizabeth of Bavaria (1873-1903)
------------1. Elizabeth (1908-1988) - Rudolf II of Austria (1908-1972)
------2. Louis (1834-1902) – Maria of Spain (1842-1927)
---------1. Joseph (1860-1935) – Frederica of Warsaw (1859-1888)
------------1. Louisa (1888-1947) – Nicholas of Russia (1879-1911)
---------2. Charles (1863-1938)
------------1. John (1887-1956)
---------------1. Henrietta (1909-1999)
---------------2. Jerome (1910-1989)
------3. Henry (1835-1912) – Louise of Prussia (1838-1923)
---------1. Henry (1858-1878) - Maria of Brazil (1858-1898)
------------1. Joachim (1884-1946)
---------------1. Christopher (1910-1986) - Maria Luisa of Spain (1910-2000)
------------2. Josephine (1886-1980) - Ferdinand of Spain (1886-1976)
---------2. John (1859-1949) - Astrid of Sweden (1862-1939)
------------1. Napoleon (1884-1908) – Anna of Austria (1883-1960)
---------------1. Cecilia (1907-1988) - Charles XVI of Sweden (1905-1980
---------------2. John (1908-1990) – Isabel II of Brazil
---------------3. Margaret (1910-1982)
---------3. Louise (1860-1920) - Charles (1860-1922)
---------4. Laetitia (1861-1912) – Alfonso XIII of Spain (1859-1912)
---------5. Isabella (1862-1909) - Charles (1859-1953)
------4. Marie (1837-1925) – Charles XV of Sweden
For the other countries, I will just post the list of monarchs! Some countries are creative in their name choices.
Emperors of Austria
Francis II (1792-1835)
Franz Karl I (1835-1878)
Franz Joseph I (1878-1916)
Rudolf I (1916-1930)
Franz Karl II (1930-1950)
Francis III (1950-1966)
Rudolf II (1966-1972)
Franz Karl III (1972-2006)
Franz Joseph II (2006-)
Monarchs of Britain
George III (1760-1820)
George IV (1820-1830)
Charlotte (1830-1850)
George V (1850-1886)
Charles III (1886-1899)
Charles IV (1899-1910)
George VI (1910-1942)
George VII (1942-1978)
Charlotte II (197
Czars of Russia
Alexander I (1801-1825)
Nicholas I (1825-1855)
Alexander II (1855-1891)
Alexander III (1891-1895)
Michael II (1895-1910)
Alexis II (1910-1922)
Michael III (1922-1952)
Constantine I (1952-1961)
Nicholas II (1961-1990)
Alexis II (1990-1992)
Nicholas III (1992-)
Monarchs of Prussia
Frederick William III (1797-1840)
Frederick William IV (1840-1861)
William I (1861-1888)
Frederick III (1888-1903)
William II (1903-1941)
William III (1941-1973)
Frederick IV (1973-1983)
Frederick William V (1983-1988)
Albert I (198
Monarchs of Spain
Charles IV (1788-1819)
Ferdinand VII (1819-1833)
Charles V (1833-1855)
Alfonso XII (1868-1880)
Alfonso XIII (1880-1912)
Alfonso XIV (1912-1958)
Isabella II (1958-1976)
Juan Carlos I (1976-)
Monarchs of Southern Lusitania
Manuel I (1808-1851)
Charlotte I (1851-1870)
Napoleon I (1870-1871)
Manuel II (1879-1908)
Manuel III (1908-1939)
Manuel IV (1939-1986)
Manuel V (1986-1998)
Manuel VI (199
Monarchs of Poland
Joseph I (1818-1848)
Joseph II (1848)
Caroline I (1848-1855)
unfinished
Monarchs of Sweden
Charles XIV (1818-1844)
Oscar I (1844-1859)
Charles XV (1859-1872)
Oscar II (1872-1907)
Gustav V (1907-1928)
Gustav VI (1928-1972)
Charles XVI (1972-1980)
Oscar III (1980-)
Monarchs of Portugal
Joseph I (1807-1844)
Charles I (1844-1867)
Charles II (1867-1910)
John I (1910-1921)
Alfonso I (1921-1961)
Charles III (1961-1979)
Joseph II (1979-1997)
Joseph III (1997-)
Monarchs of Westphalia
Jerome I (1807-1860)
Joseph I (1860-1891)
Jerome II (1891-1935)
Jerome III (1935-1956)
Jerome IV (1956-1980)
Joseph II (1980-1991)
Jerome V (1991-)
Monarchs of Greece
Louis I (1828-1873)
Louis II (1873-1909)
Alexander I (1909-1965)
Alexander II (1965-1976)
Alexander III (1976-)
Monarchs of Naples
Joachim I (1808-1824)
Achille I (1824-1847)
Joachim II (1847-1861)
Charles I (1861-1884)
Charles II (1884-1914)
Joachim III (1914-1924)
Achille II (1924-1951)
Charles III (1951-1969)
Joachim IV (1969-)
For fans of royalty, I created family trees a while ago for all the European nations with royal families. On second thought, it is really difficult to post them in this format so this is the best I can do
FRANCE
Napoleon I (1769-1829, r. 1804-1829) – Marie Louise of Austria (1791-1847)
---1. Napoleon II (1811-1880, r. 1829-1880) – Louise Augusta of Prussia (1808-1870)
------1. Napoleon III (1833-1911, r. 1880-1911) – Alexandra of Denmark (1844-1925)
---------1. Napoleon IV (1865-1948, r. 1911-1948) – Elizabeth of Naples (1867-1942)
------------1. Catherine I (1898-1967, r. 1948-1967)
---------------1. Napoleon V (1933- , r. 1967-)
---------2. Joseph (1866-1935) – Louise of Saxony (1868-1913)
------------1. Louise (1889-1968) – George of Wurttemberg
------------2. Napoleon (1890-1972) – Sofia of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (1900-1921)
---------------1. Catherine (1921-) – Henry of Prussia (1923-1991)
------------3. Charles (1891-1933) - Eugenie of Sweden (1891-1976)
------------4. Georgia (1892-1992)
---------3. Josephine (1867-1950) – Phillip of Saxe-Coburg (1859-1940)
---------4. Maria (1869-1950) – Ludwig of Bavaria
---------5. Charles (1870-1903) – Caroline of Southern Lusitania (1875-1902)
------------1. Napoleon (1900-1999) – Sofia of Portugal (1900-1977)
---------------1. Joseph (1925-)
---------------2. Adolph (1927-1950)
------------2. Alice (1902-1998) – Frederick of Warsaw (1900-1933)
---------6. Ferdinand (1871-1952) – Elizabeth of Bavaria (1873-1903)
------------1. Elizabeth (1908-1988) - Rudolf II of Austria (1908-1972)
------2. Louis (1834-1902) – Maria of Spain (1842-1927)
---------1. Joseph (1860-1935) – Frederica of Warsaw (1859-1888)
------------1. Louisa (1888-1947) – Nicholas of Russia (1879-1911)
---------2. Charles (1863-1938)
------------1. John (1887-1956)
---------------1. Henrietta (1909-1999)
---------------2. Jerome (1910-1989)
------3. Henry (1835-1912) – Louise of Prussia (1838-1923)
---------1. Henry (1858-1878) - Maria of Brazil (1858-1898)
------------1. Joachim (1884-1946)
---------------1. Christopher (1910-1986) - Maria Luisa of Spain (1910-2000)
------------2. Josephine (1886-1980) - Ferdinand of Spain (1886-1976)
---------2. John (1859-1949) - Astrid of Sweden (1862-1939)
------------1. Napoleon (1884-1908) – Anna of Austria (1883-1960)
---------------1. Cecilia (1907-1988) - Charles XVI of Sweden (1905-1980
---------------2. John (1908-1990) – Isabel II of Brazil
---------------3. Margaret (1910-1982)
---------3. Louise (1860-1920) - Charles (1860-1922)
---------4. Laetitia (1861-1912) – Alfonso XIII of Spain (1859-1912)
---------5. Isabella (1862-1909) - Charles (1859-1953)
------4. Marie (1837-1925) – Charles XV of Sweden
For the other countries, I will just post the list of monarchs! Some countries are creative in their name choices.
Emperors of Austria
Francis II (1792-1835)
Franz Karl I (1835-1878)
Franz Joseph I (1878-1916)
Rudolf I (1916-1930)
Franz Karl II (1930-1950)
Francis III (1950-1966)
Rudolf II (1966-1972)
Franz Karl III (1972-2006)
Franz Joseph II (2006-)
Monarchs of Britain
George III (1760-1820)
George IV (1820-1830)
Charlotte (1830-1850)
George V (1850-1886)
Charles III (1886-1899)
Charles IV (1899-1910)
George VI (1910-1942)
George VII (1942-1978)
Charlotte II (197
Czars of Russia
Alexander I (1801-1825)
Nicholas I (1825-1855)
Alexander II (1855-1891)
Alexander III (1891-1895)
Michael II (1895-1910)
Alexis II (1910-1922)
Michael III (1922-1952)
Constantine I (1952-1961)
Nicholas II (1961-1990)
Alexis II (1990-1992)
Nicholas III (1992-)
Monarchs of Prussia
Frederick William III (1797-1840)
Frederick William IV (1840-1861)
William I (1861-1888)
Frederick III (1888-1903)
William II (1903-1941)
William III (1941-1973)
Frederick IV (1973-1983)
Frederick William V (1983-1988)
Albert I (198
Monarchs of Spain
Charles IV (1788-1819)
Ferdinand VII (1819-1833)
Charles V (1833-1855)
Alfonso XII (1868-1880)
Alfonso XIII (1880-1912)
Alfonso XIV (1912-1958)
Isabella II (1958-1976)
Juan Carlos I (1976-)
Monarchs of Southern Lusitania
Manuel I (1808-1851)
Charlotte I (1851-1870)
Napoleon I (1870-1871)
Manuel II (1879-1908)
Manuel III (1908-1939)
Manuel IV (1939-1986)
Manuel V (1986-1998)
Manuel VI (199
Monarchs of Poland
Joseph I (1818-1848)
Joseph II (1848)
Caroline I (1848-1855)
unfinished
Monarchs of Sweden
Charles XIV (1818-1844)
Oscar I (1844-1859)
Charles XV (1859-1872)
Oscar II (1872-1907)
Gustav V (1907-1928)
Gustav VI (1928-1972)
Charles XVI (1972-1980)
Oscar III (1980-)
Monarchs of Portugal
Joseph I (1807-1844)
Charles I (1844-1867)
Charles II (1867-1910)
John I (1910-1921)
Alfonso I (1921-1961)
Charles III (1961-1979)
Joseph II (1979-1997)
Joseph III (1997-)
Monarchs of Westphalia
Jerome I (1807-1860)
Joseph I (1860-1891)
Jerome II (1891-1935)
Jerome III (1935-1956)
Jerome IV (1956-1980)
Joseph II (1980-1991)
Jerome V (1991-)
Monarchs of Greece
Louis I (1828-1873)
Louis II (1873-1909)
Alexander I (1909-1965)
Alexander II (1965-1976)
Alexander III (1976-)
Monarchs of Naples
Joachim I (1808-1824)
Achille I (1824-1847)
Joachim II (1847-1861)
Charles I (1861-1884)
Charles II (1884-1914)
Joachim III (1914-1924)
Achille II (1924-1951)
Charles III (1951-1969)
Joachim IV (1969-)
So the Tsar's keep their throne into the 21st century? Nice, but not what I expected.
Will we be seeing any communist revolutions, even unsuccessful ones? maybe in countries that are not listed?
Just a remark.
Napoleonic constitution and laws were definitely skewed against women.
Having an empress on the french throne is going to require some huge changes in the Napoleonic code and french constitution
To Smaug : I don't think that TL is a french wank. Or maybe we have different definition of what a wank is. Do you consider OTL to be an english wank?
Napoleonic constitution and laws were definitely skewed against women.
Having an empress on the french throne is going to require some huge changes in the Napoleonic code and french constitution
To Smaug : I don't think that TL is a french wank. Or maybe we have different definition of what a wank is. Do you consider OTL to be an english wank?
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Titus_Pullo
Banned
France would not have let Britain keep India:
In the event of a successful invasion of England, with French troops garissoned all over England, I don't think France would have let England keep all its colonies. I think just Napoleon would have demanded England's posessions in India. Just as France lost Canada in the French and Indian Wars, France would have wanted to really punish England for giving them such a tough time. With France now having the upper hand, Napoleon would have hit the British where it really hurt, by confiscating their colonies.
Would it be feasible to abolish the Hanoverian line and install a Bonaparte on the British throne? This is England, France's mortal enemy, with England down, France is not going to stop kicking it. To humiliate them even further, Napoleon might decide to be a total prick by putting one of his relatives or one of his marshals on the English throne. And if the English don't like it, well that's just too bad, he can always increase the French garisson in England.
You mentioned Ney's symbolic victory at Hastings. For the first time in nearly 800 years France has made a successful invasion of England and may just decide to stay for a very long time if not permanently.
The memory of England's occupation of France in the 100 Years War, the loss of Canada and their expulsion from India will come back to the French collective consciousness and France may decide to make the English really pay for past transgressions. Making Britain a French vassal state.
In the event of a successful invasion of England, with French troops garissoned all over England, I don't think France would have let England keep all its colonies. I think just Napoleon would have demanded England's posessions in India. Just as France lost Canada in the French and Indian Wars, France would have wanted to really punish England for giving them such a tough time. With France now having the upper hand, Napoleon would have hit the British where it really hurt, by confiscating their colonies.
Would it be feasible to abolish the Hanoverian line and install a Bonaparte on the British throne? This is England, France's mortal enemy, with England down, France is not going to stop kicking it. To humiliate them even further, Napoleon might decide to be a total prick by putting one of his relatives or one of his marshals on the English throne. And if the English don't like it, well that's just too bad, he can always increase the French garisson in England.
You mentioned Ney's symbolic victory at Hastings. For the first time in nearly 800 years France has made a successful invasion of England and may just decide to stay for a very long time if not permanently.
The memory of England's occupation of France in the 100 Years War, the loss of Canada and their expulsion from India will come back to the French collective consciousness and France may decide to make the English really pay for past transgressions. Making Britain a French vassal state.
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You make a good point, but that would be a whole different TL at this point. But its not mine, so as the author doth will