Not sure if this is the right place or way to ask, but can someone help me find a map? It was a fairly well made "Nazi victory" map where the Reich`s borders were placed roughly similar to OTL`s Ukranian, Belorussian and Estonain borders with Russia.
Map Thread VII
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No Mediterranean?
This has probably already been done, but the POD is around 1990, and this is a map from the modern day. In 1990, ASBs get rid of the Mediterranean, leaving dry land (free of dead fish, seaweed, etc.
). Most of the land is just absorbed by existing countries, but one new country is formed, the New Mediterranean Republic, speaking Italian, Greek, French, and Arabic, depending on the region. In those languages, the country is known as La Nuova Repubblica Mediterraneo, Tο Vέο Μεσόγειο Δημοκρατία, La Nouvelle République Mediterranean, and البحر المتوسط المساحة الجمهورية الجديدة. One the map, the new country is marked in striped yellow.
This has probably already been done, but the POD is around 1990, and this is a map from the modern day. In 1990, ASBs get rid of the Mediterranean, leaving dry land (free of dead fish, seaweed, etc.
). Most of the land is just absorbed by existing countries, but one new country is formed, the New Mediterranean Republic, speaking Italian, Greek, French, and Arabic, depending on the region. In those languages, the country is known as La Nuova Repubblica Mediterraneo, Tο Vέο Μεσόγειο Δημοκρατία, La Nouvelle République Mediterranean, and البحر المتوسط المساحة الجمهورية الجديدة. One the map, the new country is marked in striped yellow.This has probably already been done, but the POD is around 1990, and this is a map from the modern day. In 1990, ASBs get rid of the Mediterranean, leaving dry land (free of dead fish, seaweed, etc.
A. Why is the Black Sea not smaller?
B. Why does the Sea of Mamara still exist?
C. Why are there not small lakes where the Rivers end?
Here is the North American map from my proto-TL The Light in the Darkness. The year is 1843.
Like I said, ASB. The entire concept is unrealistic in every way to begin with.
Actually... I just watched a special on National Geographic recently about rising sea levels over the next few centuries. They discussed damming off the Mediterranean at the Strait of Gibraltar to preserve it's coastlines, but that eventually sea levels would drop due to evaporation (if an elaborate pumping system was not in place to cycle the water without raising the sea level or salt content).This has probably already been done, but the POD is around 1990, and this is a map from the modern day. In 1990, ASBs get rid of the Mediterranean, leaving dry land (free of dead fish, seaweed, etc.
So maybe you could change the ASB POD to the industrial revolution, ramp up production, heighten the effects of climate change, melting the Antarctic sooner, forcing world powers to dam off the Med without thinking about the consequences.
Though you'd have to change a lot of coastlines to reflect a higher sea level...A not very ambitious one, in which the Allies pull off a victory at Gallipoli - the Ottomans bow out with at least a little of their territory still in hand, and a strong Balkan front plus a better-supplied Russia makes the difference in bringing the Germans to cry uncle without the US getting involved. Unfortunately, although Czarist Russia survives, its still politically a mess, and eventually a second world war must be fought against the Black Block of *Fascist Russia, Italy, Japan, Hungary, etc., a war which eventually brings in the US and France (after much dithering about whether to help _Germany_, they decided they really didn't want Fascist Russia on the Rhine).
A shrunken Austria-Hungary managed to hobble on after WWI, but did not survive WWII. Germany, although nearly half its territory was overrun, managed to hold on until the US tipped the balance, and the Ottomans joined in in hopes of regaining Constantinople. China, essentially divided in two by Japan and Russia in the 1930s, emerged from the war with no real functional government and about a dozen contenders for the Mandate of Heaven: currently a hard-left offshoot of the Guomindang and a hard-right grouping led by a ruthless military man are fighting it out, and nobody really likes the notion of _either_ winning.
The right-winger might get more support OTL, but Communism looks like less of a menace in this TL: the Syndicalist Spanish republic that emerged from a civil war even longer than OTL is hard-left, but hardly a Looming Menace, and the coming into power of copycat regimes in Latin America simply seems to mark off "Syndicalism" as a Wacky Latin Junta kinda thing. The influence of Syndicalism on Colonial independence movements is still only a tiny cloud on the horizon, no bigger than a man's hand...
The post-war occupations and democratizations and economic rebuilds are occuring under the aegis of the World Council, a UN-equivalent developed in the aftermath of a second bloody world war (there was no League of Nations in this world). Since unlike the Western Powers and the USSR all the victors are more or less on the same page, the Council actually is capable (so far) of some actual muscle-flexing, and many idealists see hope for a World Government of sorts. The current squabbling over influence in Europe between France and a revitalized Germany is, however, not a hopeful sign...
Bruce
A shrunken Austria-Hungary managed to hobble on after WWI, but did not survive WWII. Germany, although nearly half its territory was overrun, managed to hold on until the US tipped the balance, and the Ottomans joined in in hopes of regaining Constantinople. China, essentially divided in two by Japan and Russia in the 1930s, emerged from the war with no real functional government and about a dozen contenders for the Mandate of Heaven: currently a hard-left offshoot of the Guomindang and a hard-right grouping led by a ruthless military man are fighting it out, and nobody really likes the notion of _either_ winning.
The right-winger might get more support OTL, but Communism looks like less of a menace in this TL: the Syndicalist Spanish republic that emerged from a civil war even longer than OTL is hard-left, but hardly a Looming Menace, and the coming into power of copycat regimes in Latin America simply seems to mark off "Syndicalism" as a Wacky Latin Junta kinda thing. The influence of Syndicalism on Colonial independence movements is still only a tiny cloud on the horizon, no bigger than a man's hand...
The post-war occupations and democratizations and economic rebuilds are occuring under the aegis of the World Council, a UN-equivalent developed in the aftermath of a second bloody world war (there was no League of Nations in this world). Since unlike the Western Powers and the USSR all the victors are more or less on the same page, the Council actually is capable (so far) of some actual muscle-flexing, and many idealists see hope for a World Government of sorts. The current squabbling over influence in Europe between France and a revitalized Germany is, however, not a hopeful sign...
Bruce
EDIT: Map is on next page.
Alright, I've spent the last 4-5 days working on this intermittently for probably a combined 6 hours.
If you want to know something not in the below ask, I've already spent most of the day on the non-map part alone, so I don't feel like writing
a long ass history section at the moment.
While I have'nt figured out the exact PoDs, the basic idea is that the East Asian states are better prepared and, while not a cakewalk, manage to
defeat the Mongols and push them out of most of the conquered territories.
As a result the weakened (but still not pushover) Mongols focus on the West.
The Mongols manage to do both worse and better than they did IOTL in Europe, on the one hand they conquered more territory, and even invaded
as far as Central Germany and the Northern Balkans (though they were defeated in both), however many (though not all) of their attempts failed,
they were forced to establish a system of nominal-vassals rather than actual conquest and their Empire collapsed much quicker, though not of
course before causing alot of damage and causing general chaos throughout Eastern and Central Europe.
The Mongol invasions themselves would have lasting effects on the whole of Eurasia, leading to Asia looking outward and much of Europe going
down a very different path.
NOTES:
1. The Suez Canal was built in the mid-1500's in a Hindustan-lead multinational efort to better facilitate trade between Asia and Europe.
2. The Nicragua Canal was finished in 1720 following a Japanese-Portuguese-Andalusian agreement.
3. The first wave of Asian Colonialism (think the original colonization of the America's) was focused on the Pacific.
4. With the Eastern European states blocked geographically from expanding East, and the Asian countries seeing no reason to expand North, Siberia has been left uncolonized
and is home to the native peoples and the Mongols who follow 'Traditonalist Tengriism'.
5. Srivijaya's history is'nt continuous, rather it spent awhile as part of another Empire before that regime was toppled and the the old Empire rose anew as a result of proto-nationalism.
6. The Horn of Africa is very Hindianized, so much so that native Africans only make up 45% of the population in the colonies, though the Hindi protectorates remain native
do to laws preventing large scale immigration to them.
Alright, I've spent the last 4-5 days working on this intermittently for probably a combined 6 hours.
If you want to know something not in the below ask, I've already spent most of the day on the non-map part alone, so I don't feel like writing
a long ass history section at the moment.
While I have'nt figured out the exact PoDs, the basic idea is that the East Asian states are better prepared and, while not a cakewalk, manage to
defeat the Mongols and push them out of most of the conquered territories.
As a result the weakened (but still not pushover) Mongols focus on the West.
The Mongols manage to do both worse and better than they did IOTL in Europe, on the one hand they conquered more territory, and even invaded
as far as Central Germany and the Northern Balkans (though they were defeated in both), however many (though not all) of their attempts failed,
they were forced to establish a system of nominal-vassals rather than actual conquest and their Empire collapsed much quicker, though not of
course before causing alot of damage and causing general chaos throughout Eastern and Central Europe.
The Mongol invasions themselves would have lasting effects on the whole of Eurasia, leading to Asia looking outward and much of Europe going
down a very different path.
NOTES:
1. The Suez Canal was built in the mid-1500's in a Hindustan-lead multinational efort to better facilitate trade between Asia and Europe.
2. The Nicragua Canal was finished in 1720 following a Japanese-Portuguese-Andalusian agreement.
3. The first wave of Asian Colonialism (think the original colonization of the America's) was focused on the Pacific.
4. With the Eastern European states blocked geographically from expanding East, and the Asian countries seeing no reason to expand North, Siberia has been left uncolonized
and is home to the native peoples and the Mongols who follow 'Traditonalist Tengriism'.
5. Srivijaya's history is'nt continuous, rather it spent awhile as part of another Empire before that regime was toppled and the the old Empire rose anew as a result of proto-nationalism.
6. The Horn of Africa is very Hindianized, so much so that native Africans only make up 45% of the population in the colonies, though the Hindi protectorates remain native
do to laws preventing large scale immigration to them.
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Very cool, and quite plausible. What were the boundries of A-H WW1-WW2, by the way?
Actually... I just watched a special on National Geographic recently about rising sea levels over the next few centuries. They discussed damming off the Mediterranean at the Strait of Gibraltar to preserve it's coastlines, but that eventually sea levels would drop due to evaporation (if an elaborate pumping system was not in place to cycle the water without raising the sea level or salt content).
So maybe you could change the ASB POD to the industrial revolution, ramp up production, heighten the effects of climate change, melting the Antarctic sooner, forcing world powers to dam off the Med without thinking about the consequences.
Very cool idea!
Very cool! Does Bangladesh control a large part of OTL N. America, or is that Portuguese? The colors are just a tad hard to see. What's that country in control of much of the Deccan? And is it the same one colonizing the southern tips of Africa and S. America? How did Zhonguo end up in control of Mecca, and how does that affect their relationship with Islam? Is Hinduism spreading into Europe via Hindustan's control of Greece, or is Greek philosophy making a trip out to India?
new map
filler
And what is this map supposed to show? You need to at least give some information about the map, i.e. when it is set, what countries diverge from UCS, etc.
Ach I forget
Well what you think about Iran?
Germans should have leave to England?
Or create a puppet state?
Ach I forget
Well what you think about Iran?
Germans should have leave to England?
Or create a puppet state?
How did they even get there?
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