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Golfman76 said:
[19]=Paul McNutt went on random ramblings during his campaign speeches ("Congratulations Eleanor Roosevelt for graduating college" "This is sickening, Willkie has disgusting affairs" "Due to popular demand. 'Paul, where is your speech on the war?'") which is why the Democrats suffered a huge loss
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What you did there. I see it.
 
Beata Beatrix

Beata Beatrix

HE KEPT US OUT OF WAR​

(1913 - 1917) Woodrow Wilson / Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic) [1]
(1916 - 1917) Charles Evans Hughes / vacant (Republican) [2]
def.
1916: (D) Woodrow Wilson / Thomas R. Marshall
(1917 - 1918) Charles Evans Hughes / Charles W. Fairbanks (R)
(1918 - 1920) Charles Evans Hughes / vacant (R)
(1920 - 1922) Thomas W. Marshall / Gilbert Hitchcock (D) [3]
def.
1920: (R) Charles Evans Hughes / Leonard Wood [4]; (P) Robert M. LaFollette, Sr. / Asle J. Gronna [5]
(1922 - 1924) Gilbert Hitchcock / vacant (D) [6]
(1924 - 1932) Henry Ford / Hugh S. Johnson (D) [7]
def.
1924: (“Lincolnian" Republican) Harry M. Daugherty / Calvin Coolidge; (“LaFollettian” Republican) Smith W. Brookhart / William Borah [8]
1928: (R) Frederick Steiwer / Theodore E. Burton [9]; (F-L) Parley Christensen / Henrik Shipstead [10]
(1932 - 1936) Hugh S. Johnson / Parley Christensen [11] (Democratic-Farmer-Labor)
def.
1932: (R) Hamilton Fish III / Owen Roberts
(1936 - 1944) Quentin Roosevelt / Gerald P. Nye [14] (R)
def.
1936: (DFL) Hugh S. Johnson / Parley Christensen [12]; (Southerners') John Rankin / Paul Cyr [13]
1940: (DFL) Parley Christensen / Oswald West [15]; (S) Ellison D. Smith / James T. Heflin [16]
1940: (DFL) Bennett Champ Clark / Prentiss M. Brown [17]
(1944 - 1952) Will Rogers, Jr. / Konrad K. Solberg (DFL) [18]
def.
1944: (R) Gerald P. Nye / Robert A. Taft
1948: (R) Gerald P. Nye / C. R. Smith [19]
(1952 - 1960) Goodwin Knight / James P. Mitchell (R) [20]
def.
1952: (DFL) Rexford Tugwell / W. Stetson Kennedy
1956: (DFL) Mark O. Hatfield / Coya Knutson
(1960 - 1965) Coya Knutson / Henry Johns (DFL) [21]
def.
1960: (R) James P. Mitchell / Carl Curtis
1964: (R) Robert P. Griffin / Fred A. Seaton
(1965 - present) Henry Johns / vacant (DFL)

  1. President Woodrow Wilson, the first Democrat to hold the White House since Grover Cleveland, lost out on his chance for reelection to Charles Evans Hughes of New York. Wilson’s pacifistic approach for dealing with the war in Europe was defeated by Hughes’ idea of preparedness for it. While Hughes lost the popular vote by one and a half percent, Wilson, a firm believer in parliamentary democracy, appointed Hughes Secretary of State and resigned from the Presidency along with Vice President Marshall.
  2. Hughes applauded Wilson’s statesmanlike approach to managing the reigns of government, and began to push for a bipartisan measure to enshrine Wilsonian succession, as it came to be known, in the Constitution, with the winning candidate to be sworn in on December 1st. This would apply beginning at the 1920 election. Praised as a sensible addition to the Constitution as an accommodation for modernity, the 18th Amendment would be ratified in 1918. Hughes would also push for giving women the vote, which would be enacted in 1919. By 1917, German submarines had forced Hughes to take action in the war. War was declared in 1917, with a force led by hand-picked general Leonard Wood landing in Europe, helping the British secure victory against the Germans, occupied out East, seeking to help pro-German interests in the former Soviet Union, which fragmented following the assassination of Lenin by Fanny Kaplan. Eventually, after a year and a half of solid war, peace was secured, with the Kaiser being stripped of his throne in the Treaty of Aix-la-Chapelle, the Ottoman Empire destroyed with Austria-Hungary, and various other provisions. While Hughes denied the idea of a League of Nations, his provisions were still hated by various ethnic groups, who had individual grievances with each. Going into 1920, Hughes knew that his chances were slight.
  3. At the 1920 Democratic Convention, things were…chaotic. At first, a movement to draft former President Wilson was seemingly dominant, but as delegates and candidates pointed out that while Wilson was certainly alive, he had suffered a number of strokes during the intervening years, making the party nervous about nominating him. They next turned to Wilson’s son in law, William G. MacAdoo, but his chances were foiled by sheer force of number and opposition against him. Finally, there was one man who everybody could compromise on - former Vice President Thomas R. Marshall, known for his dry wit.
  4. At the 1920 RNC, President Hughes was forced to pick his second Vice President (Fairbanks having died in 1917) and he chose General Leonard Wood, a friend of his and hero of the Great War. However, progressives, dissatisfied with Hughes’ conservatism, left the convention to run a separate Progressive ticket, headed by Robert M. LaFollette.
  5. LaFollette had a number of choices for who he might choose as his Vice President, flirting with picking Hiram Johnson, William Borah, Henry Ford, or even William Jennings Bryan. However, in a calculated move meant to soak up ethnic votes, he chose the Norwegian Senator from North Dakota, Asle Jorgenson Gronna. In response, Marshall chose Nebraskan Senator Gilbert Hitchcock as a way to shore up Progressive support in the Midwest.
  6. Marshall’s presidency went on as anybody had expected, with Marshall establishing diplomatic ties with the newly-consolidated Russian Republic (which was a republic in name only, ruled with an iron fist by the Black Baron, Peter Wrangel) as well as establishing the International Concordat, a revised version of the League of Nations. However, in a touch of irony, the man selected to lead because of his less dubious health would die in a heart attack merely two years after he assumed the Presidency. Gilbert Hitchcock never wanted to be President, and he promised to uphold Marshall’s legacy, while declining to run again for another term. However, his term would be complicated by the rise of the Ku Klux Klan and a war with Japan, begun after soldiers fired on ships in the Phillipines.
  7. While an abortive “Draft Hitchcock” movement began at the 1924 DNC, it soon became clear who the frontrunner for the nomination was. Henry Ford, Senator from Michigan and automotive pioneer was resounding chosen by the delegates on the third ballot. Calling for a form of “corporate democracy,” later referred to in Democratic shorthand as “corpocracy,” Ford called for a centralized state in which the President would have great power, run like a well-regulated and productive business. For his Vice President, he chose a hero of the ongoing Japanese War, General Hugh S. Johnson, who shared Ford’s corpocratic leanings.
  8. With the Republicans jolted by defeat in 1920, a few delegates began to consider that a return to progressivism might not be the worst thing. At the 1924 RNC, Robert LaFollette’s stratagem of taking the party over from within it succeeded, with LaFollette being controversially nominated. He declined to run, citing his failing health, and recommended to the delegates another progressive, Smith W. Brookhart, who picked Borah as his Vice President. However, many of the moe conservative Republicans were infuriated by this “wanton usurpation” and walked out of the convention themselves, labeling their convention as the legitimate one, the one that “Abraham Lincoln would have been proud to see.” They chose Ohio Governor Harry M. Daugherty as President, and former Governor of Massachusetts Calvin Coolidge as Daugherty’s Vice President. The division in the Republican Party practically guaranteed the Democrats victory, with the Republican war making it so that Ford had very little campaigning to do, merely showing voters around one of his factories and talking about what reforms he’d make.
  9. President Ford’s first term was immensely successful. The economy was booming, seemingly only enhanced by Fordist corpocracy. The foundation of the American Legion, headed by one of Ford’s sons, made the youth as eager to serve the Eagle as any soldier occupying Japan after the invasion. Ford utilized an unprecedented measure of power, with his Attorney General, John W. Davis, cracking down on any organizations found to be “dangerous.” Meanwhile, at the Republican Convention in 1928, the rift between the Progressives and the Lincolnites was resolved, with the nomination of Steiwer.
  10. However, a number of more radical progressives, led by Utah Senator Parley Christensen, left the convention to run on the Farmer-Labor Party. Christensen expressed no desire to lead his supporters back into the Republican fold.
  11. By 1932, Vice President Johnson’s nomination was a certainty, with the economy still booming. The Republicans, now effectively free of the progressives, nominated New York Senator Hamilton Fish III (a close ally of just-too-young New York Governor Quentin Roosevelt, eyed by all as a President) and Pennsylvania judge Owen Roberts. Talk of running yet another Farmer-Labor ticket was halted when Parley Christensen announced a merger between the Farmer-Labor and Democratic parties, cemented by Christensen’s taking of the second seat on the ticket. The newly christened Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party, the DFL, would win the election most comfortably.
  12. However, by 1933, the economy, which had looked so good, had crashed, and now, Fordism was discredited. While Johnson did the best he could to solve the problem, his use of martial law gained him few followers or supporters, and he could see his days were numbered. Terrified of a Farmer-Labor exodus, Johnson began to push for an "Equal Rights Amendment," which would guarantee the rights of all minorities.
  13. Johnson's Equal Rights Amendment, or the ERA, was met with visible anger by the Dixiecrats, the Southern contingent of the Democratic Party (while Huey Long's Southern branch of the Farmer-Labor Party, called the People's Party, after the old Populists, was powerful, it had not yet upset the Dixiecrats) who fled the party, calling it "non-representative of Southern interests," and so the Southerners' Party was formed. They selected Mississippi Senator John Rankin, known for his outspoken hatred of the ERA, and Louisiana Representative Paul Cyr, one of Huey Long's greatest foes, as their nominees. With the already wounded Democratic Party split in two, and the Southerners winning all of the South save for Long's Louisiana, ruled to the extremity of corpocracy, they suffered their first defeat since 1916.
  14. Governor Roosevelt won in a landslide in 1936, making him the youngest president ever to hold office, at the age of 37. Citing his father's example of a "Fair Deal," Roosevelt the Younger called for a "Second Deal," in which he regulated the banks, created the American Recovery Administration, all the while pursuing a course of "moderation and firmness." While many corpocrats said he did not go far enough, Roosevelt's Second Deal made him immensely popular. He also installed his son with Flora Payne Whitney, Theodore Roosevelt IV, as Youth Commander of the American Legion. His Vice President, Gerald Nye, was chosen as a way to shore up support among more moderate progressives and Farmer-Laborites, which payed of magnificently.
  15. The Democratic-Farmer-Laborites knew that their chances for victory in 1940 were slim against Roosevelt, but it was worth a try. However, former Vice President Christensen, the leader of the Farmer-Labor Party, ran a dreadful campaign, being even more insistent on the ERA than Johnson was. While some agreed that Roosevelt should go farther with the Second Deal, many still thought that Roosevelt was doing a fine job nonetheless. His choice of Democratic no-name Senator Oswald West puzzled some, but was perhaps a good choice, reinforcing DFL dominance in their native West.
  16. The Southerners, nominating "Cotton Ed" Smith and "Cotton Tom" Heflin did even better this year than in 1936, although their influence was even further damaged by the ever-growing Long machine.
  17. At the 1944 Convention, Roosevelt expected to pass the reins of government over to a capable hand, perhaps Nye, but with the sudden death of President Wrangel leading to the Second Russian Civil War, which quickly expanded into a fight for influence in Europe among the anarchists in the former Germany, now called the Deutschevolkstaat (DVS), the nationalists in France, and the British, led by Stafford Cripps, each backing different sides, which was soon labelled the Second Great War, the Republicans decided that perhaps a third term was not the worst thing in the world. Roosevelt accepted the nomination, swore to not involve the country in the war in Europe (despite his youthful internationalist leanings, forever dimmed by the First Great War) which soon expanded into China and South America, and left the stage with the cries of "Q! Q!" deafening, and the Bellamy salute given by all the thousands in attendance. Meanwhile, the Democrats, paying heed to the Southerners, chose the moderate son of Speaker Champ Clark as their champion, although in the face of the Second Great War, he privately acknowledged his case was hopeless.
  18. By 1948, the war still raged, with Cripps' Britain failing against the DVS' Luftwaffe, and his frequent invocations for American aid went unheeded by Roosevelt. Ultimately, Nye, an even greater isolationist than he, lost resoundingly to the son of the famous Cherokee humorist, Will Rogers, who had since left the business to support his son, the junior Senator from California. Rogers called for a European intervention, or, at the very least, sending arms to the embattled British, who had since become a fortress state. Rogers' selection of Farmer-Labor leader Solberg gained him support from Christensen.
  19. The war still raged in 1952, although it was clearly winding down, with the British-led Axis government under Trotsky taking control in Russia. Rogers was clearly the man to deal with the war, and Nye's isolationism again fell on deaf ears.
  20. The Second Great War finally ended in 1952, with the DVS crushed and divided permanently. While many encouraged Rogers to run for a third term, he declined, and returned to his ranch in California. Goodwin Knight, another Californian and a good friend of Rogers', took up the Republican mantle, with his plans for an internationalist return to the Second Deal heeded by a majority of Americans. The Democratic ticket of Military Governor of Hanover Rexford Tugwell and Florida Governor Stetson Kennedy, the newest heir to Longism, failed to win, and Knight's return to normalcy, as he called it, prevailed.
  21. Many wondered if the country was ready for a female president, but seeing as though it had elected its first non-white one only a few years prior, many were optimistic. Knutson was a protégée of former Vice President Solberg, and the newest leader of the Farmer-Labor Party, with her selection of liberal Mainer Johns intended to shore up support in the North. She narrowly defeated Vice President Mitchell for his election, but was assassinated by a Klansman in 1965.
The parallels between QR and TTL Wilson were unintentional.
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Shuffling The Deck... Of Vice Presidents!


1945-1950: Harry Truman/Alben W. Barkley (Democratic) [1]
- 1948: Thomas Dewey/Earl Warren (Republican) , Strom Thurmond/Fielding L. Wright (Dixiecrat) , Henry A. Wallace/Glen H. Taylor (Progressive)
1950-1953: Alben W. Barkley/None (Democratic)
1953-1954: Alben W. Barkley/Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic) [1]
- 1952: Robert Taft/Harold Stassen (Republican)
1954-1957: Lyndon B. Johnson/None (Democratic)
1957-1965: Richard Nixon/Gerald Ford (Republican)
- 1956: Lyndon B. Johnson/John F. Kennedy (Democratic)
- 1960: Adlai Stevenson/Robert Meyner (Democratic)
1965-1971: Gerald Ford/Spiro T. Agnew (Republican) [1]
- 1964: Pat Brown/Stuart Symington (Democratic)
- 1968: Henry M. Jackson/Dan K. Moore (Democratic)
1971-1971: Spiro T. Agnew/None (Republican)
1971-1973: Spiro T. Agnew/Barry Goldwater (Republican) [4]
1973-1981: Hubert Humphrey/Robert F. Kennedy (Democratic)
- 1972: George Romney/Clifford Case (Republican)
- 1976: John V. Lindsay/Ed Brooke (Republican) , Strom Thurmond/John Wayne (Dixiecrat)
1981-1981: Nelson Rockefeller/Richard Cheney (Republican) [2]
- 1980: Robert F. Kennedy/James E. Carter (Democratic)
1981-1981: Richard Cheney/None (Republican)
1981-1986: Richard Cheney/George HW Bush (Republican) [3]
- 1984: Alan Cranston/Gary Hart (Democratic)
1986-1986: George HW Bush/None (Republican)
1986-1989: George HW Bush/Ed Brooke (Republican)
1989-1993: Walter Mondale/Joe Biden (Democratic) [5]
- 1988: Bob Dole/Alexander Haig (Republican)
1993-1997: Joe Biden/Michael Dukakis (Democratic)
- 1992: Newt Gingrich/Jack Kemp (Republican)
1997-2005: Dan Quayle/Trent Lott (Republican)
- 1996: Joe Biden/Michael Dukakis (Democratic)
- 2000: Edward M. Kennedy/Ann Richards (Democratic)
2005-2009: Joe Biden/Al Gore (Democratic)
- 2004: Mike Huckabee/Jim DeMint (Republican)
2009-Present: Al Gore/Tim Kaine (Democratic)
- 2008: Sarah Palin/John McCain (Republican)
- 2012: Rick Santorum/Michelle Bachmann (Republican)

[1] Assassinated

[2] Died

[3] Resigned

[4] Lost his primary

[5] Refused to run for a second term
 
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Syriac

Very cool! One issue:

OrsonWelles said:
HE KEPT US OUT OF WAR​

  1. The war still raged in 1952, although it was clearly winding down, with the British-led Axis government under Trotsky taking control in Russia. Rogers was clearly the man to deal with the war, and Nye's isolationism again fell on deaf ears.
  2. The Second Great War finally ended in 1950, with the DVS crushed and divided permanently. While many encouraged Rogers to run for a third term, he declined, and returned to his ranch in California. Goodwin Knight, another Californian and a good friend of Rogers', took up the Republican mantle, with his plans for an internationalist return to the Second Deal heeded by a majority of Americans. The Democratic ticket of Military Governor of Hanover Rexford Tugwell and Florida Governor Stetson Kennedy, the newest heir to Longism, failed to win, and Knight's return to normalcy, as he called it, prevailed.
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This seems like a contradiction, unless I am missing something.
 
Mumby

Mumby

OrsonWelles said:
Well, I have fixed it. Any thoughts?
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I think you made a mistake with the dates here. I've edited the relevant bit below so the dates line up correctly.

(1936 - 1948) Quentin Roosevelt / Gerald P. Nye [14] (R)
def.
1936: (DFL) Hugh S. Johnson / Parley Christensen [12]; (Southerners') John Rankin / Paul Cyr [13]
1940: (DFL) Parley Christensen / Oswald West [15]; (S) Ellison D. Smith / James T. Heflin [16]
1944: (DFL) Bennett Champ Clark / Prentiss M. Brown [17]
(1948 - 1956) Will Rogers, Jr. / Konrad K. Solberg(DFL) [18]
def.
1948: (R) Gerald P. Nye / Robert A. Taft
1952: (R) Gerald P. Nye / C. R. Smith [19]
(1956 - 1964) Goodwin Knight / James P. Mitchell(R) [20]
def.
1956: (DFL) Rexford Tugwell / W. Stetson Kennedy
1960: (DFL) Mark O. Hatfield / Coya Knutson
(1964 - 1969) Coya Knutson / Henry Johns(DFL) [21]
def.
1964: (R) James P. Mitchell / Carl Curtis
1968: (R) Robert P. Griffin / Fred A. Seaton
(1969 - present) Henry Johns / vacant (DFL)
 
Beata Beatrix

Beata Beatrix

Mumby said:
I think you made a mistake with the dates here. I've edited the relevant bit below so the dates line up correctly.

(1936 - 1948) Quentin Roosevelt / Gerald P. Nye [14] (R)
def.
1936: (DFL) Hugh S. Johnson / Parley Christensen [12]; (Southerners') John Rankin / Paul Cyr [13]
1940: (DFL) Parley Christensen / Oswald West [15]; (S) Ellison D. Smith / James T. Heflin [16]
1944: (DFL) Bennett Champ Clark / Prentiss M. Brown [17]
(1948 - 1956) Will Rogers, Jr. / Konrad K. Solberg(DFL) [18]
def.
1948: (R) Gerald P. Nye / Robert A. Taft
1952: (R) Gerald P. Nye / C. R. Smith [19]
(1956 - 1964) Goodwin Knight / James P. Mitchell(R) [20]
def.
1956: (DFL) Rexford Tugwell / W. Stetson Kennedy
1960: (DFL) Mark O. Hatfield / Coya Knutson
(1964 - 1969) Coya Knutson / Henry Johns(DFL) [21]
def.
1964: (R) James P. Mitchell / Carl Curtis
1968: (R) Robert P. Griffin / Fred A. Seaton
(1969 - present) Henry Johns / vacant (DFL)
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Hell. I forgot to change the formatting from the abysmal thing a Mac's Notes program produces.
 
Indigo

Indigo

Peer Pressure

1922-1922: A. Bonar Law (Conservative)
1922-1927: Arthur Lee, Baron Lee of Fareham (Conservative)[1]
1922: J. R. Clynes (Labour), H. H. Asquith (Liberal), David Lloyd George (National Liberal)
1927-1927: Arthur Lee, Baron Lee of Fareham (Conservative minority)
1927-1928: J. Ramsay MacDonald (Labour minority with Liberal Confidence and Supply)
1927: Arthur Lee, Baron Lee of Fareham (Conservative), David Lloyd George (Liberal)
1928-1931: Sir W. Laming Worthington-Evans (Conservative)
1928: J. Ramsay MacDonald (Labour), David Lloyd George (Liberal)
1931-1933: William Peel, 2nd Viscount Peel (Conservative)
1933-1935: Arthur Henderson (Labour)[2]
1933: William Peel, 2nd Viscount Peel (Conservative), David Lloyd George (Liberal)
1935: (acting) Sir Charles Philip Trevelyan (Labour)
1935-1938: Josiah Wedgwood (Labour)
1935-1938: Josiah Wedgwood (Labour minority with Liberal Confidence and Supply)
1938-1938: Hon. Walter Guinness (Conservative minority)
1938 (Feb): Josiah Wedgwood (Labour) Hon. Arthur Murray (Liberal)
1938-1938: Josiah Wedgwood (Labour)
1938 (Jun): Hon. Walter Guinness (Conservative) Hon. Arthur Murray (Liberal)
1938-1939: Wilfrid Ashley (‘Peace’ National Coalition)[3]
1938 (Nov): Josiah Wedgwood (Labour), Sydney Arnold, Baron Arnold ('Peace' Labour), Walter Guinness ('War' Conservatives) Hon. Arthur Murray (Liberal)
1938-1939: Roundell Palmer, Viscount Wolmer (‘Peacetime’ National Coalition)
1939-1939: Roundell Palmer, Viscount Wolmer (Conservative minority)[4]
1939-1939: George Isaacs (Labour)[5]
1939: Roundell Palmer, Viscount Wolmer (Conservative), Sir William Edge (Liberal), Frederick Pethick-Lawrence ('Peace' Labour)
1939-: Dudley Leigh Aman, 1st Baron Morley (Labour in Wartime Coalition with Conservatives and Liberals)[6]

[1] After Bonar Law rather unexpectedly lost his seat in the 1922 General Election (on account of a rather massive swing to Labour) - the Conservatives were in a bit of a pinch - they had still won a majority after all. The two main contenders seemed to be Lord Curzon - who was however widely disliked, and Stanley Baldwin, who had only been Chancellor of the Exchequer for less than a month. MP for 18 years, military man, and former Minister of Agriculture and Fisheries, and First Lord of the Admiralty, the hardworking Lee was a perfect choice for a third option to break the deadlock - and as a fed up Bonar Law declined to get back into government, what had initially been a caretaker government dragged on and on. Lord Lee ended up holding on - through strikes and discontent - to 1927, when the Labour Party finally broke into government. Lee watched from afar as MacDonald's government began to collapse - and ultimately gave up the leadership to his handpicked successor, Foreign Secretary Worthington-Evans.

[2] Henderson had taken over from MacDonald in 1931, at the height of the economic downturn which neither Worthington Evans or Lord Peel (the only Prime Minister to be the grandson of a former Prime Minister until Lord Wolmer) seemed to have a clue how to handle. 1933 was of course a massive election victory for Labour (and the main thing people think of when they think of Henderson nowadays) and he managed to hold his fractious party together and get quite a large chunk of his political agenda passed, before resigning in 1935 due to ill-health.

[3] Josiah Wedgwood's aggressive attitude towards the Czechoslovakian crisis prompted a sizable rebellion in the Labour Party - which combined with widespread Conservative desire to reach some sort of deal led to a pleased King Edward VII inviting Wilfrid Ashley to become Prime Minister. Ashley's actions and appeasing attitude actually annoyed many but actuated an end to the split in Labour - Wedgwood stepped down, and former President of the Board of Education Morgan Jones did manage to find a middle ground.

[4] Lord Wolmer (later to be the 3rd Earl of Selborne, the first Prime Minister to not accede to his peerage during his premiership since, well, Lord North) took over after Ashley's sudden resignation due to ill-health. The already fragile Peacetime Coalition broke down.

[5] Morgan Jones had unexpectedly died at only 53 earlier that year; many had doubts about caretaker leader Arthur Greenwood and former Home Secretary George Isaacs ended up being his main challenger and subsequent Labour leader. His victory over Wolmer was somewhat unexpected - and when war finally broke out that year Isaacs was manifestly unprepared. Conservatives were reluctant to form a wartime coalition with someone with such strong trade union ties - and Isaacs was thus couped in favor of his Secretary of State for War, a man who had been right about the Nazi threat all along.

[6] "If the Fuhrer wants to get to Britain any time soon he's going to have to go through our navy - and me." Lord Morley smiled grimly. "Karl Wettin is about to learn the worst a Baron can do to a Duke."
 
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dw93

President Dukakis and Beyond:

41. Michael S. Dukakis (D-MA)/ Lloyd M. Bentsen Jr. (D-TX): 1989-1993 [1]
42. Carroll A. Campbell Jr. (R-SC)/ Donald H. Rumsfeld (R-IL): 1993-1999 [2]
43. Donald H. Rumsfeld (R-IL)/ Vacant: 1999-2000
43. Donald H. Rumsfeld (R-IL)/ Newton L. "Newt" Gingrich (R-GA): 2000-2005 [3]
44. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-DE)/ Daniel R. "Bob" Graham (D-FL): 2005-2013 [4]
45: Timothy J. "Tim" Pawlenty (R-MN)/ Samuel D. "Sam" Brownback (R-KS): 2013-? [5]

[1]: After Vice President Bush lost the New Hampshire Primary, he fired his then campaign manager Lee Atwater. Despite losing the first two contests that year, Bush went on to defeat Senator Bob Dole for the Republican nomination, but was weakened in the General Election due to a bitter primary. Massachusetts Governor Michael Dukakis and his running mate Lloyd Bentsen narrowly defeated the Vice President and his running mate Dan Quayle. However, due to a mild economic recession in 1990 and due to the failure to expel Iraqi Dictator Saddam Hussein from Kuwait, and threats from Hussein to invade Kuwait, Dukakis lost his re election bid to South Carolina Governor Carroll Campbell and his running mate Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

[2]: Once in Office, President Campbell, as President Reagan did 12 years earlier, signed an across the board Tax Cut and also passed a series of banking deregulations and the economy took off, largely due to what was called the "dot com bubble." With this, falling Oil Prices, and with Saddam Hussein contained, President Campbell won a Second Term, defeating House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt and his running mate Senator Paul Wellstone. While the economy continued to grow and the International Scene remained stable, In May of 1999, President Campbell became the Second President in U.S. History to Resign from Office due to a diagnosis of Alzheimer's Disease. Vice President Rumsfeld would be Sworn in as President after and would chose House Minority Leader Newt Gingrich to be his running mate.

[3] President Rumsfeld won a term in his own right in 2000, defeating Former Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey and his running mate Russ Feingold of Wisconsin. Due to a crashed economy, thanks to banking deregulation that took place early in President Campbell's Presidency, due to an increasingly unpopular war in Iraq and Kuwait that saw the removal of Saddam Hussein from power and destabilized the two countries, and due to marital infidelities on the part of Vice President Gingrich, President Rumsfeld was defeated in a landslide by Delaware Senator Joe Biden and his running mate Senator Bob Graham of Florida.

[4]: President Biden upon taking office implemented a surge of troops into Iraq to stabilize the country. He also implemented an economic stimulus package to get the economy back on track. By 2008, Iraq was stable and the President began withdrawing troops at the end of the year and the economy, which was in the worst shape it had been in since the 1930s when the President took office, was recovering nicely by 2008. President Biden went on to win re election, being the first Democratic President since Franklin Delano Roosevelt to be elected to more than one term. He defeated Senator John McCain of Arizona and his running mate Senator Mitt Romney of Massachusetts. The Economic Recovery that started in early 2007 lasted through President Biden's Second term. He left Office with a 60% approval rating.

[5]: Despite President Biden's high approval ratings, Democratic nominee Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana and his running mate Senator Jim Webb of Virginia were very narrowly defeated by Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty in what many observers called the most boring election in history. With increasing tensions in the Middle East and with the economy entering recession in mid 2015, the Pawlenty Presidency was looking like a repeat of the Rumsfeld Presidency and many believe that in November 2016, Pawlenty will be denied a second term just as Rumsfeld was 12 years earlier.
 

dw93

fjihr said:
Perhaps not, but I think the early 90s recession would be reduced to a minor blip and thus I think he has the advantage in 1992.
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If the early 90s recession causes the GOP to make significant gains in Congress, thus stalling Dukakis' agenda through '91 and '92. If the right candidate is nominated by the GOP, Dukakis could very easil lose and having two Democratic presidents in 16 years lose the election at least in part due to recession is not a good thing for the democrats.
 
Indicus

Indicus

dw93 said:
If the early 90s recession causes the GOP to make significant gains in Congress, thus stalling Dukakis' agenda through '91 and '92. If the right candidate is nominated by the GOP, Dukakis could very easil lose and having two Democratic presidents in 16 years lose the election at least in part due to recession is not a good thing for the democrats.
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Was the 90s recession really in full motion by 1990? Unemployment, to use what I feel is the best measure of whether a recession is felt, was not very high in 1990.

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I guess conceivably the GOP could have seen a mini-Republican Revolution in TTL 1990, but unemployment was scarcely past 5% and without the oil glut the Gulf War caused, I think unemployment would have been less. The same Republican revolution, I think, was impossible.
 

dw93

fjihr said:
Was the 90s recession really in full motion by 1990? Unemployment, to use what I feel is the best measure of whether a recession is felt, was not very high in 1990.

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I guess conceivably the GOP could have seen a mini-Republican Revolution in TTL 1990, but unemployment was scarcely past 5% and without the oil glut the Gulf War caused, I think unemployment would have been less. The same Republican revolution, I think, was impossible.
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It started in October of 1990.
 
Indicus

Indicus

dw93 said:
It started in October of 1990.
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But again, it was not in full flow.

And that was a month before the midterm elections, when it likely did not look like an actual recession, but rather looked like a minor blip in the economy.
 
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