Christmas Truce

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I don't think this part would happen.

The Germans won't march on Berlin, and nor will the French march on Paris. And the British won't swim across the channel. Though you knew that last part, I guess.

I think they'd just sit in place (well, they'd move around, talk to each other, and so on, but you get the idea) while their governments are screaming at them, until finally Britain, France, and Germany realize that they'll never get those troops to fight each other again, and trying to force the War to start again would mean sending their own men to fight their own men, which would be absolutely intolerable to the people of each nation, even though this is essentially mutiny en masse. Nor can they try a more passive "cut off their supplies and starve them" thing.

So while the armies camp in place and continue to get along with each other, ambassadors from the three nations meet somewhere neutral (Spain? Switzerland? I dunno) and try and figure out how they're going to deal with this. And with everyone at the table, the three will realize that this whole thing has spiralled out of control from a single event that should have been a local matter concerning Austria-Hungary and Serbia, and that Germany, Britain, and France actually have nothing vested in the outcome other than the French getting revenge on the Germans for something that happened thirty years ago. Is France's honor really worth so much of France's blood? Can't the two nations just work something out?

I'd pay a lot of money to attend this diplomatic conference
"So, gentlemen... we're here because your side has obviously lost."
"Our side? Your troops refuse to fight!"
"Yours too."
"True. I guess nobody is fighting still."
"What about the Turks?"
"Oy, you won't get much fighting from us either, the pasha are writing the sultan like panicked mules "our soldiers refuse to fight! they say they want Ramadan* truce like the christians did christmas truce! The only people who still want to fight are russian spies! They're having a feast on the beach with the British!""
"What do we do now then?"
etc :p

*(Actually I think Ramadan that year ended a week or two before christmas)
 
Well, truce was mostly between Germans and Brits, nations that shared no historical animosity. Germans and French, however...... (though there was some truce between those two armies two).

As far as I know the German-French truce was fairly extensive. I asked my Grandfather about this and he reckons that his father played football with some of the French soldiers along the front and they exchanged dinners and such.
 

Geon

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The Vatican and the Pope's Declaration

Before I make my actual TL/Story, I was wondering if anyone knew of any site that would have military rank for France, Germany, and Great Britain from this era, and the names of some units that were involved.
In general any World War I info sites would be great.

Also, I was wondering if anyone knew of anybody that I could use from the British and or German armies that would be a good leader of the "Christmas Council"?

Any other ideas or critiques are of course also welcome.

Eckener

I would add in one major event as of about December 28th or thereabouts.

December 28--Fittingly on the Feast of Holy Innocents, December 28, 1915, His Holiness, Benedict XV declares the support of the Roman Catholic Church for the Christmas Truce. In his statement read after Mass the Holy Father declares. "On this day when we remember the slaughter of innocent young children whose only crime was to be present in Bethlehem when Herod's soldiers came, we remember with sadness that many innocent people both in uniform and out of it have been killed in this terrible war. Just as Herod's murder of these young innocents served no useful purpose other then to assauge the political desires of an evil king to remain in power, so this war has served no purpose other then to further the political and economic goals of a few people. It is time for peace. It is time for Christians who truly understand what it is to be peacemakers to speak. "Blessed are the peacemakers for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven." This was spoken by the One whose Nativity we just celebrated and on whose day this glorious movement of peace began. We call upon all the faithful throughout the world to offer their prayers and support to these brave men who are now seeking to be peacemakers and we call on the whole Church to stand with them in this hour."

Pope Benedict's message is broadcast by every possible means throughout the world. By New Year's day it has been published in every major newspaper around the world.

January 3rd -- Catholics, and many Protestants join in "peace protests" in New York, Paris, London, Rome, Berlin, and Vienna, as well as in other major European cities. The Vatican offers to send an emissary to help the Christmas Truce Council in its mediation efforts and to supply whatever support the Vatican can.


How does the above sound??

Geon
 
I'd pay a lot of money to attend this diplomatic conference
"So, gentlemen... we're here because your side has obviously lost."
"Our side? Your troops refuse to fight!"
"Yours too."
"True. I guess nobody is fighting still."
"What about the Turks?"
"Oy, you won't get much fighting from us either, the pasha are writing the sultan like panicked mules "our soldiers refuse to fight! they say they want Ramadan* truce like the christians did christmas truce! The only people who still want to fight are russian spies! They're having a feast on the beach with the British!""
"What do we do now then?"
etc :p

*(Actually I think Ramadan that year ended a week or two before christmas)
rotfl that would be a funny way to characterize the meeting. (almost as if it's straight out of a political cartoon from the period :p)

As far as I know the German-French truce was fairly extensive. I asked my Grandfather about this and he reckons that his father played football with some of the French soldiers along the front and they exchanged dinners and such.
Yeah in both 1914 AND in 1915, French and German troops had truces in several places on the lines. Propaganda about revenge is all well and good back in civilization, but on the frontline, after a while it ceases to matter and you realize that they guy shooting at you is just as human as you are, and then you start asking yourself why the heck are you both fighting in the first place.

Eckener

I would add in one major event as of about December 28th or thereabouts.

December 28--Fittingly on the Feast of Holy Innocents, December 28, 1915, His Holiness, Benedict XV declares the support of the Roman Catholic Church for the Christmas Truce. In his statement read after Mass the Holy Father declares. "On this day when we remember the slaughter of innocent young children whose only crime was to be present in Bethlehem when Herod's soldiers came, we remember with sadness that many innocent people both in uniform and out of it have been killed in this terrible war. Just as Herod's murder of these young innocents served no useful purpose other then to assauge the political desires of an evil king to remain in power, so this war has served no purpose other then to further the political and economic goals of a few people. It is time for peace. It is time for Christians who truly understand what it is to be peacemakers to speak. "Blessed are the peacemakers for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven." This was spoken by the One whose Nativity we just celebrated and on whose day this glorious movement of peace began. We call upon all the faithful throughout the world to offer their prayers and support to these brave men who are now seeking to be peacemakers and we call on the whole Church to stand with them in this hour."

Pope Benedict's message is broadcast by every possible means throughout the world. By New Year's day it has been published in every major newspaper around the world.

January 3rd -- Catholics, and many Protestants join in "peace protests" in New York, Paris, London, Rome, Berlin, and Vienna, as well as in other major European cities. The Vatican offers to send an emissary to help the Christmas Truce Council in its mediation efforts and to supply whatever support the Vatican can.


How does the above sound??

Geon
That sounds great! And I can't believe I looked over having the Pope voicing support for the truce. OTL I believe he'd called for a Truce in 1914 and possibly the years following.
 
OKay, so here's the first little bit. Hope to have more either later tonight or tomorrow. Merry Christmas!

Peace on Earth, Goodwill to Men: The Christmas of 1914​

It was a cool December evening as Sergeant Thomas Coals climbed out of the main trench and onto the parapet to relieve the previous sentry. He’d have the latest shift, and be out until about 4 in the morning before his shift ended. He glanced out across the grim landscape that was no-man’s land, and across to the German lines beyond. He reached the pervious sentry, Sergeant Lewis McGregor, and relieved him of his post. “Have the Huns been silent?”

“Yes, for the most part, just a little movement, nothing out of the ordinary. Maybe tonight will be totally quiet.”
“Well, I hope so. I don’t like it when my sentry duty isn’t quiet.” Coals said with a grin.
“Ha, no I don’t like it either mate.” McGregor said as he walked down into the trench. “Oh, by the way, Merry Christmas if I don’t see you tomorrow.”
“Thanks Lewis. Merry Christmas to you too.”

It was sometimes hard to remember that the joyous holiday was now upon them, what with all the gloom of war totally surrounding the soldiers of the British Expeditionary Force. So much violence, so much death. Just a month before, the Battle of Ypres, which had raged for nearly 6 long weeks, had finally ended, with over 79,000 good men dead and another 16,000 wounded. This on top of the massive losses at the Marne. In all the BEF had lost over 100,000 men since the war broke out 4 months ago. All hope of a short and glorious war against the German Empire had long since been dashed. The war would now definitely continue into 1915, possibly 1916 if Fortune decided to be stingy. Coals himself just hoped he could make it through this bloody conflict and back to his young wife Sophie, who was expecting their first child.

As Coals looked out across the wasteland that existed between the British and German lines, he began to imagine what his own family would be doing. They’d be all gathered at his childhood home north of London, father in the parlor with his brothers and sisters trimming the tree, his mother and his wife baking some snacks in the kitchen. In a few hours they’d get into the carriage and ride to the near by St. Gregory’s church for the midnight Christmas service. Tomorrow they’d awake to prepare for the big holiday feast with his aunts and uncles and grandparents, and exchange gifts afterwards. How he wished he could be with them tonight. But he was proud to serve his country. Or at least, he had been when he and so many other young men had volunteered to join the army at the outbreak of war. Now though, after living through the horror of Ypres, where the Germans had briefly taken the town before being driven out by the British, and having heard of the horrors of the Marne, he wasn’t so sure. Why were he and his fellow compatriots out here dying on the fields of France?

While the sergeant began to drift in his thoughts, a light of in the distance caught his eye. He immediately glanced about, and notices several brightly lit candles dotting the German trenches. Where the Huns up to something? Fearing that the enemy might be preparing for some sort of sneak attack, Coals hollered out for his superior. “Lieutenant Scott! Lieutenant Scott!” Shouted Coals down into the trenches. Soon, Lieutenant Horatio Scott came up the ladder, calling out, “What is is Sergeant Coals? Are the Germans moving?”
“I don’t rightly know sir. They are lighting lanterns and moving about more than they have the past few nights.” Scott joined Coals on the parapet, and gazed over towards the German trenches. Sure enough, dozens of Candles were dotting this part of the line, in plain view of the British forces. This was most unusual.
“Do you hear that?” asked Scott. Coals listened hard, and sure enough, he did hear something drifting over from the enemy.
“Sounds like they are shouting something in unison sir. But I can’t make out....” the noise was louder now, and Coals could make it out:

”Stille Nacht, heilige Nacht; Alles schlaft, einsam wacht....”

Scott chuckled a bit. “Well, what do you know. The Huns are singing Christmas carols. Maybe the Christmas spirit will make it out to the trenches this year.” Lieutenant Scott smiled, then excused himself. Coals continued his watch, listening first to the Germans sing, and then to his own fellow soldiers in the British trenches. Lt. Scott appeared to be right. The Christmas spirit had made it out to the trenches. Little did Coals, Scott, or any of the British or German soldiers realize that night as the sang carols and shouted “merry Christmas” back and forth, that the next 48 to 72 hours would change the course of the War, and with it, the course of modern history.
 
Forgive me for resurrecting this thread. But I've been seriously considering restarting this. I just need some assistance with the military side of things. That's never been my strong point.

Anyone interested?
 
Forgive me for resurrecting this thread. But I've been seriously considering restarting this. I just need some assistance with the military side of things. That's never been my strong point.

Anyone interested?

Wikipedia, IMO, is a good place to start.

And if you make a few errors, well, that's more likely to draw people.
 
Forgive me for resurrecting this thread. But I've been seriously considering restarting this. I just need some assistance with the military side of things. That's never been my strong point.

Anyone interested?

I'd love to. I'm working on a short stroy with the Christmas Truce succeeding as the POD, so this is relavent to my interests :)
 
I tried to start up a Xmas Truce TL once, didn't get far. I'd love to see a good old peacewank on this site, as long as it's reasonable. A Vatican hosted Peace Conference could make for massive butterflies in European culture.
 
Wikipedia, IMO, is a good place to start.

And if you make a few errors, well, that's more likely to draw people.

This is so true, lol.

I am very interested in this idea, i'll defiantly keep watch.

Thanks. I hope to get the ball really rolling with this TL this time.

I'd love to. I'm working on a short stroy with the Christmas Truce succeeding as the POD, so this is relavent to my interests :)

Awesome! I'd love the extra help if you're really interested. Especially with military, but any help is welcome.

Seeing this thread succeed would be awesome in my opinion. A non-devastated Europe is a very fun idea.

Agreed. WWI ending early 1915, probably butterflying WWII and maybe even the Russian Revolution. And that's just for starters.
Also means that the Empires would probably last a LOT longer...maybe to present day, but much longer definitely.

Tech differences could be really interesting too.

I tried to start up a Xmas Truce TL once, didn't get far. I'd love to see a good old peacewank on this site, as long as it's reasonable. A Vatican hosted Peace Conference could make for massive butterflies in European culture.

Peacewank....maybe. I think that a lot of tension that had built up leading up to WWI will have been released, and you don't have the nastiness of Versailles to set the stage for WWII. I'm sure that there will be conflicts, but it could be that the Peace Movement keeps enough clout to prevent such a full blown world conflict from happening

I'd definitely like your input. :)
Is your Truce TL on this site?
 
This would make an awesome TL, i would love to see it continued. What do you need to know about military aspect?

As ex-military, I'd be happy to help. Especially if this can help me finsihs that story!

Anything and everything? :p I really lack a lot of military knowledge. Ranks, command structures, that sort of thing. Although in the long run this TL will not probably be heavy on military action, it will at the beginning, since a lot of the on the ground players are soldiers who refuse to return to war.

Some other thoughts:

Who would be a good leader for the "peace faction" in Britain and in Germany? I figure in Britain, the people will begin to support the Truce, and the current government will resign (or be forced to resign by the King) and replaced with a pro-peace faction. In Germany....I figure they'll take a little longer, and I could see some socialists rising up in revolt which will be the wake up call the Kaiser needs.

France's sitting government will "fall" first to the Peace movement.
And...I'm thinking they'll institute the world's first Ministry/Department of Peace (see THIS proposal).

Any thoughts about how Russia would react to all this? AFAIK the Christmas Truce did not occur on the 1914 Eastern Front. Obviously once the truce takes hold in the West and continues, it would likely spread to the East...either officially, or possibly unofficially.
 
Anything and everything? :p I really lack a lot of military knowledge. Ranks, command structures, that sort of thing. Although in the long run this TL will not probably be heavy on military action, it will at the beginning, since a lot of the on the ground players are soldiers who refuse to return to war.

Ranks I'm great at. Command Structures, depends what you mean.

Another precedent to consider with this, that I used heaviliy in my story, is that this may set a trend that soldiers can refuse to fight a war if they choose. I use it in mine to strengthen the kinship of soldiers above that of thier nationalist political overlords, but you might consider it too.
 
Unfortunately not. It only really got on a few scraps of paper a few Christmases back and my head since. I tend to change up ideas too quickly to keep anything up long.

Too bad. Do you remember any details or at least the general gist of the TL?

Ranks I'm great at. Command Structures, depends what you mean.

Another precedent to consider with this, that I used heaviliy in my story, is that this may set a trend that soldiers can refuse to fight a war if they choose. I use it in mine to strengthen the kinship of soldiers above that of thier nationalist political overlords, but you might consider it too.

Well, more like organization of the soldiers, and also who would report to who, and I guess that would, to a point, be officer ranks. And for this TL would primarily need to be british, but a working knowledge of the US, British, French, and German armies wouldn't hurt.

And hmm....that's an interesting idea that I hadn't thought of. I'll keep it in mind.
 
Well, more like organization of the soldiers, and also who would report to who, and I guess that would, to a point, be officer ranks. And for this TL would primarily need to be british, but a working knowledge of the US, British, French, and German armies wouldn't hurt.

And hmm....that's an interesting idea that I hadn't thought of. I'll keep it in mind.

US, I'm good. The rest, I'll brush up on.
 
US, I'm good. The rest, I'll brush up on.

Awesome. That'll definitely help.

Anyone got any ideas how the governments in the UK, Germany, Russia, and other countries will react?
Like I said, I see the British government being forced to resign and replaced by a pro-peace government.
Not as sure about Germany.
 
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