1968: A Year Of Turmoil

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DE GAULLE RESIGNS! NEW, MORE CONSERVATIVE GOVERMENT TO TAKE CHARGE
- Le Figaro 4/29/69

SSU BRANCHES SPREAD TO COLLEGES ACROSS COUNTRY, AS PROTESTS END
- Daily News 5/2/69

GOVERNOR FINCH MISMANAGES DISASTER RELIEF FUNDS
- Los Angeles Times 5/3/69

(Putnam): Hello, and welcome back to the show, with me here again is Vice President Richard Ichord. Thanks for being here Richard.
(Ichord): The pleasure is mine George.
(Putnam): Well, I would first just like to ask you what you think about the recent Cornell Massacre, as you never made an official statement.
(Ichord): The Cornell Massacre was a great tragedy. The situation was poorly handled by the National Guard, but there never should be violent protests like that by students.
(Putnam): Ok. Now, onto the real questions. What do you think of Governor Finch's recent mismanagement of disaster relief funds?
(Ichord): Personally, I think that Robert Finch was not a good choice for Lt. Governor and now he is just as bad as a choice for Governor.
(Putnam): Do you think that either the Democrats or the Republicans can find a suitable replacement in time for the 1970 election?
(Ichord): Yes we do have a few candidates in mind for the job, though honestly I think that you wouldn't be a bad choice.
(Putnam): Wow. Well I'm flattered but do you think that I have what it takes?
(Ichord): Yes. I've seen your documentary, Perversion for Profit, and I think you have some political opinions that this state and our party agree with.
(Putnam): No, I mean political experience.
(Ichord): Political views are more powerful than political experience, I'd assume that you would get the hang of it soon enough though.
- Excerpt from George Putnam Radio Show, KTLA News 5/4/69

George and I got along together from the first time I met him. We shared a lot of the same political views and he was an all around nice guy. That stuff gets you elected, so I told him to try it.
- Island In The Sea of Red Autobiography by Richard Ichord

I do not think that we should reprimand the protesting students as they were just exercising their constitutional rights to protest.
- Excerpt form speech by Jerry Brown, Head of Los Angeles Community College Board of Trustees 5/6/69

Sadly, Ronald Reagan and Howard Hughes's great conservative business endeavor would never be accepted without another credible man working with them. That man was none other than conservative author William F. Buckley Jr. It is said that the two business partners approached Mr. Buckley at his home in New York. It is also said that he jumped at the idea of working with two conservative legends and making a TV channel.
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Do you guys have any questions/comments/complaints/suggestions?
 

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MAJOR COMBAT IN VIETNAM STARTS- Today massive amount of American soldiers have intercepted a fairly large North Vietnamese Army at a place called Hamburger Hill.
- Daily News 5/11/69

HAMBURGER HILL COMBAT GETS WORSE, HUNDREDS OF AMERICANS KILLED OR WOUNDED
- New York Times 5/15/69

I definitely felt horrible about what was happening on Hamburger Hill. I knew that we needed our guys in there to help those men struggling on the ground.
- I Wanted To Fly Autobiography by Chuck Yeager

PROTESTS AT UC BERKELY REGARDING DORMS BEING BUILT ON A NATURE RESERVE.
- Los Angeles 5/16/69

We must not let these students hurt others, I will declare martial law at Berkeley.
- Excerpt from speech by Robert Finch 5/16/69
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Sorry for the short update.
 
A few ideas/suggestios:

1) Keep the UK out of the EEC but I'm the free trade area EFTA
2) Have the computer revolution open by not having Microsoft/Apple/etc dominate
3) Stalemate Vietnam - perhaps the US and USSR agree a deal to curtail China
4) Have Disney buy the Queen Mary to use at a 'Disney Seaworld'
5) Delay/stop the loss of rail in the US/Canada
 

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A few ideas/suggestios:

1) Keep the UK out of the EEC but I'm the free trade area EFTA
2) Have the computer revolution open by not having Microsoft/Apple/etc dominate
3) Stalemate Vietnam - perhaps the US and USSR agree a deal to curtail China
4) Have Disney buy the Queen Mary to use at a 'Disney Seaworld'
5) Delay/stop the loss of rail in the US/Canada

Those sound like great ideas, Thanks:)
 

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TEAR GAS HELICOPTERS COLLIDE IN MID AIR OVER UC BERKELEY, 9 DEAD
- Los Angeles Times 5/17/69

VIOLENT GUERILLA FIGHTING ON UC BERKELEY CAMPUS
- Los Angeles Times 5/19/69

I don't think that Governor Finch is fit for politics, let alone being Governor of the most populous state in the country, his recent gaffes have already shown that change is needed.
- Excerpt from The George Putnam Show KTLA 5/19/69

Our Waterpark must be a stand alone park. I know we were going to implement it as a section of our new park, but we shouldn't. I was recently at a waterpark called SeaWorld a few days ago, and they were rolling in cash and attendance. And part of that is because of all the animals they have there, they have seals, dolphins, manta ray, and their headliners, real-live Killer Whales. We need a park like that in our organization. I mean, just imagine an Aquatic themed amusement park. So in conclusion, I was thinking we should drop the water section of Disney World and take our ideas from their and implement them as part as my waterpark idea, also we should consider acquiring a ship called the Queen Mary, as the company that currently owns it is going under.

-Roy
- Memo to Disney executives by Roy Disney 5/20/69

APOLLO 10 LAUNCHES, ASTRONAUTS WILL GO WITHIN 9 MILES OF MOON'S SURFACE
- Miami News 5/25/69

UC BERKELEY MARTIAL LAW ENDS AS PEACE IS RESTORED
- Los Angeles Times 5/26/69

CONTRUCTION OF WALT DISNEY WORLD STARTS
- Miami News 5/28/69

KENNEDY'S KILLER TO BE EXCECUTED TODAY
- New York Times 5/29/69

ELECTRIC CHAIR RESPONSIBLE FOR SIRHAN HAS ISSUES 3 'ZAPS' BEFORE DEATH
- New York Times 5/30/69

The President wanted to meet with the leader of South Vietnam and talk about something called 'Vietnamization' he called it the strategy of sharply reducing our troop counts in Vietnam. The good thing is I prepared for what I would do if this happened, so I was ready. I had all the allies I needed to flatly reject his proposal and I had his trust so that he would listen to me and them. With that I could hold off 'Vietnamization' for at least a little while.
- Island In The Sea of Red Autobiography by Richard Ichord
 
Some More ideas:

1) I don't recall you saying that Martin Luthor King was shot, so have him still be a factor- though possibly suffering a 'birth certificate' style scandal over his thesis?

2) Have Prince Charles (20 in '68) marry earlier than OTL. Maybe even Camilla.

3) Soviets beat he US to the Moon due to NASA being distracted by Nukes in Space!

4) Lucille Ball humms and delays selling Desilu to Paramount who walk away in 67 leaving Ball to carry on running the studio. Ball keeps funding Star Trek so season 3 does not suck. Is there a 4th?

5) The '65 Beeching Act has been stuck in the courts and by 68-69 the landscape for change has moved and the closures on British Rail happen differantly.
 

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Some More ideas:

1) I don't recall you saying that Martin Luthor King was shot, so have him still be a factor- though possibly suffering a 'birth certificate' style scandal over his thesis?

2) Have Prince Charles (20 in '68) marry earlier than OTL. Maybe even Camilla.

3) Soviets beat he US to the Moon due to NASA being distracted by Nukes in Space!

4) Lucille Ball humms and delays selling Desilu to Paramount who walk away in 67 leaving Ball to carry on running the studio. Ball keeps funding Star Trek so season 3 does not suck. Is there a 4th?

5) The '65 Beeching Act has been stuck in the courts and by 68-69 the landscape for change has moved and the closures on British Rail happen differantly.

1) Sadly, King was shot, anything that happened before LBJ's death happened.

2) I like that idea, Thanks:)

3) The Soviets probably won't beat NASA to the moon, thought they will be close, you'll see how.

4) That seems like a good idea, I was thinking of making a Star Trek season 4 though since where we are right now in the timeline is around the time of the appearance of the last season 3 episode, season 3 will still suck.

5) I don't know how I'm going to handle the Beeching Acts, I've been thinking about it though.

Thank you for the ideas.:)
 
1) Sadly, King was shot, anything that happened before LBJ's death happened.

2) I like that idea, Thanks:)

3) The Soviets probably won't beat NASA to the moon, thought they will be close, you'll see how.

4) That seems like a good idea, I was thinking of making a Star Trek season 4 though since where we are right now in the timeline is around the time of the appearance of the last season 3 episode, season 3 will still suck.

5) I don't know how I'm going to handle the Beeching Acts, I've been thinking about it though.

Thank you for the ideas.:)

More ideas: A different Soviet approach to Afghanistan.

Suslov and fellow main hardliners are on leave for the whole of March-Early April 1979, during the Herat Uprising. They tell the people they leave behind, "Don't inform us about politics until we come back for we want quality vacation time!" Only Kosygin is left as the highest power in the Kremlin (say he was not invited much to his disappointment). Taraki calls the remaining power in Moscow: Kosygin.

Kosygin tells Taraki to reach an agreement with party dissidents and in the meantime reaches out to the more moderate elements among conservative tribal leaders. But still, Kosygin, knowing either way he will be forced to intervene, decides to put at least some troops there (just some). But still, Suslov and other hardliners upon returning go full-on with troops and aircraft in Afghanistan. So their situation is:

1.) Successful soaking off rebels from the hard core Islamic fundamentalists. Basically social reform.

2.) Around the same amount of military support IOTL.

So with more support from the people and with a large amount of aid, I think the USSR might have won in Afghanistan very quickly.

Come Suslov's death in 1980 (due to much worse stresses at being truly at the helm, though IOTL he was the real power in the Kremlin as "Chief Ideologue"), Andropov succeeds Suslov, installs measures to improve the Soviet Economy and somewhat focuses on consumer products and destroys corruption, incompetence and streamlines and makes efficient the bureaucracy. This time he has more time to implement his policies (1980-1984). He dies with the seeds of reform made, and Gorbachev (or Ryzhkov if you want a politically-conservative-but-economically-reformist man to take the reigns) takes power, and reforms even more while keeping the socialist economy intact, and integrated workers' self management and technology (I mean lots and lots of technology), and improve and make the environment beautiful.

In China, Lin Biao tried to coup Mao in 1971, but failed, and got his just desserts from Mao. Here, he might try to restart relations with the USSR and the West, and reform the economy a bit, because, IMO he would be somewhat disgusted by the mediocre performance of China during the brief Sino-Soviet War, and would be horrified by the Cultural Revolution (OTL) and the casualties and poor performance of the Chinese military ITTL.

If Lin Biao dies in 1979, and Deng Xiaoping gains power, have Hu Yaobang be more careful and do not let the Lu Keng interview happen (Deng planned to oust him IOTL before the interview, the Lu Keng interview only encouraged further to do the thing). Hu Yaobang goes on and is leader of China until 1995 (his death in 1989 was unexpected). Zhao takes the reigns after Hu Yaobang dies in 1995, and Deng 1997 (OTL), and he takes the reigns until his retirement in 2006 (I've read his memoirs. His death in 2005 IOTL was worsened by his house arrest because of well, pollution in Beijing. If he is leader here, he would be allowed to travel to Guangdong where the air is fresher, thus giving him a few more years). In this way, the communist world is not destroyed. In my idea, Red China ITTL is semi-democratic, and becomes a UN member (it is inevitable).

Also, I am interested to see that the nuclear weapons treaties signed in the 1970s IOTL would not be signed ITTL, though in my idea, they would cut on defense during the Andropov and Gorby eras, hence higher tensions.

Another idea: Screw the anti-ABM treaties. Let every country develop one :) Also, more nukes ITTL :) and more confrontation (though honestly I don't want a nuclear war to happen ITTL, but still, this is your TL :) ).

Assuming the people ITTL would live until the present (it seems as though you hinted a nuclear war would happen ITTL), what are your plans for Iran? Iraq? Libya? India?

About India, Sanjay Gandhi is my suggestion (he is capitalist so he might reform India much earlier, but doesn't care about democracy, so :) )

And last thing: Have Ferdinand Marcos focus on economic expansion and military modernization and expansion ITTL (with competency but still with a dash of favoritism) after an ITTL visit to Chiang Kai-shek's Taiwan and Park Chung-hee's South Korea (I think the return to Import-substitution Industrialization in the 1970s would not happen ITTL, as the Americans will certainly not leave Asia during this period), thus a wealthy Philippines ITTL. Avoid Ninoy's assasination, to uphold economic growth. Have him die in 1987, and Imelda and Fabian Ver would fight for power, and Ver wins, and later on he transfers control of the government to a civilian one (similar in development to South Korea).

"I do not believe in democracy in the Philippines. The Philippines needs discipline." - Lee Kuan Yew
 
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More ideas: A different Soviet approach to Afghanistan.

Suslov and fellow main hardliners are on leave for the whole of March-Early April 1979, during the Herat Uprising. They tell the people they leave behind, "Don't inform us about politics until we come back for we want quality vacation time!" Only Kosygin is left as the highest power in the Kremlin (say he was not invited much to his disappointment). Taraki calls the remaining power in Moscow: Kosygin.

Kosygin tells Taraki to reach an agreement with party dissidents and in the meantime reaches out to the more moderate elements among conservative tribal leaders. But still, Kosygin, knowing either way he will be forced to intervene, decides to put at least some troops there (just some). But still, Suslov and other hardliners upon returning go full-on with troops and aircraft in Afghanistan. So their situation is:

1.) Successful soaking off rebels from the hard core Islamic fundamentalists. Basically social reform.

2.) Around the same amount of military support IOTL.

So with more support from the people and with a large amount of aid, I think the USSR might have won in Afghanistan very quickly.

Come Suslov's death in 1980 (due to much worse stresses at being truly at the helm, though IOTL he was the real power in the Kremlin as "Chief Ideologue"), Andropov succeeds Suslov, installs measures to improve the Soviet Economy and somewhat focuses on consumer products and destroys corruption, incompetence and streamlines and makes efficient the bureaucracy. This time he has more time to implement his policies (1980-1984). He dies with the seeds of reform made, and Gorbachev (or Ryzhkov if you want a politically-conservative-but-economically-reformist man to take the reigns) takes power, and reforms even more while keeping the socialist economy intact, and integrated workers' self management and technology (I mean lots and lots of technology), and improve and make the environment beautiful.

In China, Lin Biao tried to coup Mao in 1971, but failed, and got his just desserts from Mao. Here, he might try to restart relations with the USSR and the West, and reform the economy a bit, because, IMO he would be somewhat disgusted by the mediocre performance of China during the brief Sino-Soviet War, and would be horrified by the Cultural Revolution (OTL) and the casualties and poor performance of the Chinese military ITTL.

If Lin Biao dies in 1979, and Deng Xiaoping gains power, have Hu Yaobang be more careful and do not let the Lu Keng interview happen (Deng planned to oust him IOTL before the interview, the Lu Keng interview only encouraged further to do the thing). Hu Yaobang goes on and is leader of China until 1995 (his death in 1989 was unexpected). Zhao takes the reigns after Hu Yaobang dies in 1995, and Deng 1997 (OTL), and he takes the reigns until his retirement in 2006 (I've read his memoirs. His death in 2005 IOTL was worsened by his house arrest because of well, pollution in Beijing. If he is leader here, he would be allowed to travel to Guangdong where the air is fresher, thus giving him a few more years). In this way, the communist world is not destroyed. In my idea, Red China ITTL is semi-democratic, and becomes a UN member (it is inevitable).

Also, I am interested to see that the nuclear weapons treaties signed in the 1970s IOTL would not be signed ITTL, though in my idea, they would cut on defense during the Andropov and Gorby eras, hence higher tensions.

Another idea: Screw the anti-ABM treaties. Let every country develop one :) Also, more nukes ITTL :) and more confrontation (though honestly I don't want a nuclear war to happen ITTL, but still, this is your TL :) ).

Assuming the people ITTL would live until the present (it seems as though you hinted a nuclear war would happen ITTL), what are your plans for Iran? Iraq? Libya? India?

About India, Sanjay Gandhi is my suggestion (he is capitalist so he might reform India much earlier, but doesn't care about democracy, so :) )

And last thing: Have Ferdinand Marcos focus on economic expansion and military modernization and expansion ITTL (with competency but still with a dash of favoritism) after an ITTL visit to Chiang Kai-shek's Taiwan and Park Chung-hee's South Korea (I think the return to Import-substitution Industrialization in the 1970s would not happen ITTL, as the Americans will certainly not leave Asia during this period), thus a wealthy Philippines ITTL. Avoid Ninoy's assasination, to uphold economic growth. Have him die in 1987, and Imelda and Fabian Ver would fight for power, and Ver wins, and later on he transfers control of the government to a civilian one (similar in development to South Korea).

"I do not believe in democracy in the Philippines. The Philippines needs discipline." - Lee Kuan Yew

Wow! Those are great! I didn't really know how to handle Asia until now. Thanks:)
 

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DISNEY MAKES SURPRISING MOVE BY BUYING OLD SHIP
- New York Times 6/1/69

HAMBURGER HILL BATTLE ENDS IN STALEMATE, BOTH SIDES RETREAT, HUNDREDS OF AMERICANS DEAD OR WOUNDED
- Daily News 6/3/69

Umm...

*sniff*

As many of you know..

*sniff*

Commissioner Rozelle and I have had a disagreement regarding my ownership of an eating establishment that has been in the news lately.

*sniff*

Commissioner Rozelle gave me the ultimatum sell the restaurant or leave the league, and I've decided to leave the league.

*sniff*
- Excerpt from press conference by Joe Namath 6/7/69

Many of you may be wondering, "why the heck did Disney buy a boat?" Well, I can answer that question. We will be making another amusement park, this one will have a sea theme. I mean, imagine a place where you can bring the family, that has a sea them and affordable prices. This place would have a variety of animal shows that include different animals such as dolphins, sea lions and killer whales. This place would also have many fun rides, attractions, and restaurants. Well, all that you just imagined will come true at Disney's brand new park, AquaWorld!
- Excerpt from press conference by Roy Disney 6/7/69
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Again, I'm sorry about the short update, my TLIAW was just taking up more of my time again. I'm sorry:(
 
You are certainly welcome :) About Hu Yaobang, his being more careful would come in not saying things about political reform, so that Deng won't turn against him. I think the Successor to Zhao in my idea would be Zhu Rongji.

North Korea: I suggest killing Il-sung via heart attack in the early 80s so that Jong-il could reform the economy (he was still moderate during this time).

About Marcos, he should liberalize free trade and destroy the 60/40 equity :)

How about Albania here?
 

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You are certainly welcome :) About Hu Yaobang, his being more careful would come in not saying things about political reform, so that Deng won't turn against him. I think the Successor to Zhao in my idea would be Zhu Rongji.

North Korea: I suggest killing Il-sung via heart attack in the early 80s so that Jong-il could reform the economy (he was still moderate during this time).

About Marcos, he should liberalize free trade and destroy the 60/40 equity :)

How about Albania here?

Those seem pretty good too thanks :). I haven't really thought about Albania in thr timeline, I guess so far its like OTL.
 
Those seem pretty good too thanks :). I haven't really thought about Albania in thr timeline, I guess so far its like OTL.

About Albania, I think it would be the hermit kingdom instead of North Korea ITTL. So if China reforms here, Hoxha would still force the country into isolation.

So what if Albania also experiences famine and collapses?

By the way, here is the link to Zhao's magnificent memoirs :)
 
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Hey, I just discovered the TL. I have to say, I'm very glad that I don't live in this world...

With all these tensions, political deaths, and other serious issues arising throughout the world, I can't help but wonder if a second American Civil War is going to break out. Perhaps it might arise from people not thinking that the federal is handling the nation properly. A good thing for them to use would be directly from the Declaration of Independence:

"that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

If things continue to get worse, I can very easily see an independence movement, especially in areas where the military is sent in, as those areas would likely resent/be outraged at the government killing its own citizens.


Overall, I very much enjoy what I've read so far. I look forward to more from you. Subscribed.
 

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About Albania, I think it would be the hermit kingdom instead of North Korea ITTL. So if China reforms here, Hoxha would still force the country into isolation.

So what if Albania also experiences famine and collapses?

By the way, here is the link to Zhao's magnificent memoirs :)

Thanks again:)
 
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