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Hapsburg
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I wasn't thinking about it like that. The problem I thought of was purely practical- how is Greece going to provide social services for a now-doubled population so suddenly? Hence why I suggested them just booting a lot of people out of Istanbul.
Yes. I just went and added it to my TL in the thread.
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Susano
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*facepalm* *headdesk*
And the point remains Istanbul is larger than Greece (territroy matters jack and shit, only populationd oes). So if its okay if Greece takes Istanbul, then surely it is also okay for Turkey to just retake Greece, right?
You know, if Hitler invaded Spain there'd be a lot more comparisons to Napoleon. 
Me too! Any ideas? =pthats interesting: i'd like to see how the war will Me too, any ideas
continue with that front.
You know, if Hitler invaded Spain there'd be a lot more comparisons to Napoleon.
And Wellington for the lucky British general.
I second Iori on the awesomeness of the map!
I completely forgot to shower praise on your work Sapiento ><
*showers*
I didn't get around to finishing this in time for the MoF 03. Its still not complete, there would be some more info or flags in the empty spot. Rather the focus on one area of the world, say Europe or North America, I chose to focus on the three wanked nations specifed by the challenge.
It could be better. I haven't put any texturing on, and as I said above, there is the empty space.
Thoughts?
It could be better. I haven't put any texturing on, and as I said above, there is the empty space.
Thoughts?
OH NO!!!! Bavarian colonies in North and Middle America!
Brainpain invades America....
Bavarian colonies in North and Middle America! Brainpain invades America....
OH NO!!!!
Brainpain invades America....
No! its three separate nations! Although it is my fault for not differing the colours.
Abdul Hadi Pasha
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Population transfers, then?
Plus, this is some thirty years in the future; I could easily have that Greece experienced a population boom and something happened that caused a lot of people to move out of Istanbul. Maybe immigration to Greece? Or maybe Istanbul is under Greek administration for a trial period and this map is in the middle of that?
Either way, it's too late to change it now. So, do that fanon thing.
Well, he's into Turcowank. Seeing Istanbul in Greek hands is like getting his dick injected with Black Widow venom.
I, OTOH, don't really care either way.
But the borders are mostly identical anyway.
The population of Istanbul is nearly 20 million. The population of Greece is barely half that. That's quite a population boom.
Also, the Turkish army fully mobilized is as large as the population of Greece, so good luck with that.
It's just lame and stupid, not to mention revolting how casually you throw genocide into the mix.
Hapsburg
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1. I never mentioned genocide. I only suggested the perhaps they would have evicted people to relieve the strain of suddenly taking in that many citizens. I never even considered that ethnic strife shit.
2. Irrelevant now, since I changed the TL so that Istanbul isn't Greek territory.
2. Irrelevant now, since I changed the TL so that Istanbul isn't Greek territory.
Abdul Hadi Pasha
Banned
Very well, carry on, then.
Just keep in mind that the historical Treaty of Lausanne population exchange was a total humanitarian disaster for both countries for decades, and that involved a total of 2M people. Try that with 20M... It can't go well. Come to think of it, where would Greece get the people to put there? The population of Istanbul is twice Greece's - you'd have some pretty lonely Greeks.
1. No it is not - the population of Istanbul according to 2008 census is 12,697,164 and the total population of all of European turkey (Edirne, Kirkalareli, Tekirdag and Istanbul provinces) comes to 14,114,333. Nearly twenty million? Jog on son, you need to go back to school and learn to add.
2. Erm, no it is not. Including all branches of the Turkish military (not just the "army") - Army, Airfoce and Navy, reserves and paramilitaries - the combined total comes to 1,043,550 and Greeces population 11,259,285... erm yea. Granted Turkey has a very large army but bigger than that of the entire greek population? You really didn't excell in maths at school.
While I can understand your patriotic urges to stand up for your own country, the fact that you Turkowank even the bare reality of our own TL as it stands today destroys much of the credence to your argument.
And yes, I do agree with Hapsburg that you Mr Abdul Hadi Pasha are strongly inclined towards the Turkowank side of things, reguardless of the most likley outcome.
Russell
Abdul said the Turkish military fully mobilised. Which is just a fancy way of saying Turkey has more healthy males in the right age bracket than Greece has population all in all, I guess
That's a possability, however I took fully mobilised for it's current military, such as the reserves and paramilitaries, as civilians are not the military.
I Blame Communism
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NNobody has ever produced an example of his doing this. Sure, the whole point of his planned timeline is more succesful Ottomans, but the PoD is a plausible and fascinating one. Where he has ever just proclaimed that Turkey can go anywhere and do anything, rather than correcting the enormous misconceptions which are drille dinto us in the west. Are you suggesting that greek Constantinople is "the more likley outcome"?
Jog on.
1) Pasha is not a Turkish-patriot. It seems to me that he HATES the current Turkish Nationalism and Kemalism....
2) You certainly has never seen Pasha so enthusiastic about suggesting someone to sacrifice Ottoman Empire in order to achieve his TL's goal to fill US with muslims or to help wanking and modernizing Persia with a right PoD to do so.
If anything, Mr. Abdul Hadi Pasha is for Islamo-wank. But as a professing muslim, frankly I doubt it because he is a non-religious gay man. But I'm maybe biased...
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