Map Thread V

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Ian the Admin, Nov 17, 2008.

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  1. Thande Gold! Always believe in your so-oul!

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    Hmm, that's almost an inversion of the norm - Space-Filling Empires where there are usually many small states, and balkanisation where we have Space-Filling Empires in OTL :D
     
  2. Nymain1 Suited and Booted

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    My map for MoF4

    Zombie Victorians!

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  3. Nicole Parallel Universe Imajin

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    That's one way to separate Cornwall from UK control... :p

    Excellent map!
     
  4. Scarecrow Dieudonné

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    I was this close to doing a Mormon analogue, but decided against it.

    I got it right on the key though! If I could have figured out the flag of Bavaria it would have been up in time.
     
  5. NKVD ☭⚑ Gone Fishin'

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    Hide before Krall finds you.
     
  6. Ofaloaf Nothing really mattress

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    This one's a reversal of the usual, though. Look at those American and African countries-- you don't see those in your run-of-the-mill random maps. The depiction of the Kongo Federation and Mayan vassals are quite unique, really. Most people would just give Africa and the Americas to one European power or another and be done with it.
     
  7. RGB Corn Squared

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    Zombie England! Awesome!
     
  8. Sapiento Well-Known Member

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    5260 A.D.

    Thanks, Bruce. Would be a cool effect :D
     
  9. Legolas Member

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    Nymain, that's a brilliant map!
     
  10. follow_by_white_rabbit Member

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    I think that Queen Victoria should be a bit more rotten ;-)
     
  11. Russell Well-Known Member

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    1. That is the total population for Istanbul, both sides of the Bosphorus. Certainly the figures are not certain to be accurate but that would mean a big inaccuracy. Although I grant you it's population is increasing fast.

    2. Why not? Finland effectivly deafeated the Soviet Union, the Greek City States defeated the Persian Empire, a ragged army (well, mostly ragged) army of Scots defeated the English. I could go on but the point is that the size of the nations population is not a dead set way of ensuring a military victory. Sure turkey could send waves and waves of young men at the Greeks, but the political implications of that would be devastating. There is more to winning a war than just military force (certainly important). While I seriously doubt that Greece itself would be able to outright win such a war and take any land but equal it could be the same for an opposing force.

    3. Belgium is a country, Paris is a city, two different political and social concepts and common features of geography.

    My problem was that too many people seemed to simply be jumping down Hapsburgs throat without a shread of thought, simply based upon the "ones dick is bigger than yours" theory. His POD (although ASB) allows for the reasonable justification of what he presented. I think his TL is quite interesting, even if ASB.

    Russell
     
  12. Russell Well-Known Member

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    I do however agree with you that in to many TL's the Ottomans do generally get really humped by the rest of the world.
     
  13. Nekromans Mernber

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    ...But to conquer Paris, Belgium would need to be trouncing France in a war, at which point the analogy of "country taking on an enemy several times its size" becomes relevant.
     
  14. Russell Well-Known Member

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    But the real question, would they still have pasties?;)
     
  15. Russell Well-Known Member

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    True enough, but theoretically in a war, France may be at war with many nations but I still doubt that Belgium would be able to effectivly siege such a city.

    Russell
     
  16. Hapsburg Robrotrenominator

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    In a conflict where said country of 75 million is up against far more than just the country of 11 million, yes it's possible. Especially since in said conflict, Greece doesn't go into the Turkish mainland, except Hatay, and that's only after Coalition bombing runs on Turkish industrial centres and military installations. So, those "fully mobilized" citizen-soldiers are barely being used in said conflict.
     
  17. Archangel Michael Has a gif for that

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    Is a military victory possible? Yes.

    But an occupation of a country with a population seven times your own? Not likely.
     
  18. Susano Banned

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    ...and you dont see any parallels there?

    Besides, "x is a city, y is a country" is irrelevant. Population numbers is relevant. And when the city has as many or more people as the country, than the city is equivalent or more than the country.
     
  19. Hapsburg Robrotrenominator

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    Who said Greece, or anyone, is occupying all of Turkey? Did you even read the TL? :confused:

    Greece is extending military protection over the Istanbul and Nicaea regions because the legitimate Turkish government fled there after a coup in Ankara. Greece annexed Thrace except Istanbul. Istanbul is not part of Greece.
     
  20. Nekromans Mernber

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    So you agree that it would be ridiculous to insist that a small country could wrest a larger city from a huge country. I'm glad we agree! :)
     
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