Chin man the V (That was intentional) should hopefully reign in the Protestant before they start yelling obscenities across the border. Though Protestants are awfully good at protesting.
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Not sure on that one. Not sure whether to remain a 3 way divided Church or to reunite them in Rome/Ravenna. And yes, yes they are.
Well, I don't know. What would be better/more interesting?
I actually don't know, religious sects ain't really my thing.
Don't worry about it. Anyone partically knowledgable on religious sects?
Fix the abuses and you might get back many Protestants.
Get all of them back? eh nope.
Get all of them back? eh nope.
Fixing church abuses will be hellla hard, but not impossible, I think.
Yeah... some people REALLY like Prostestantism. Some of them a little TOO much.... (Puritains)
It's currently being used to educate the citizens of Italy. The idea is to inherit the Churches ability, not destroy it.
I'm more interested in healing East/West Schism.
Impossible! More so now since the Church will be presented by other christian Monarch to be a Borgia puppet, factuality not mattering the slightest when it comes to politics.
"A" way for Borgia to win is to use the Vatican Leadership as scapegoats and reform, confining them to Rome and stripping them of temporal influence.
Ok, any possible way to make the Greeks/Albanians accept them as their true leader?
Don't impose catholic ideal on them, allow them freedom of christian worship and add them in personal Union like Hungary. Expend the bureaucracy of Italy into them but keep it local. And Hungary proper itself should not contain any significant non-Magyar population in it's border or Magyarization must be intensified on them.
Sure, this will lead to Nationalism and break up but that's unavoidable, and smaller nations in personal union with the more powerful Italy will run better with less frictions a join Italo-Hungarian Empire.
Uh east west split?
The ONLY way that could even possibly happen is if Borgias liberate the east. They give the patriarchs much authority too.
The ONLY way that could even possibly happen is if Borgias liberate the east. They give the patriarchs much authority too.
Cesare Borgia: A Restored Rome Timeline
Cesare Borgia: A Restored Rome Timeline
Cesare Borgia Part 40: The New Emperor and Empress
‘Look, almighty God, with a serene gaze on this, your glorious servant has risen to legend among all the Caesars.' Leo XI, December 25th, 1520, crowning the new titles.
And as this happened, the relentless tale marches on through history.
The mental issues of Eleanor and Marcus had begun to subside, the years finally giving them the greatest medicine; time.
Pope Clement VII, the anti-pope who had held out in Rome, had died shortly after the end of the civil war. A new Pope, Leo XI, became the next Bishop of Rome, a gentle and calm soul loyal to the Borgia family. Little opposed to the regime change, as many resented Attila and his Huns for the intimidation.
A new quick line of transport between Rome and Ravenna, the Marcus road, was constructed, for faster travel between the secular and religious capitals.
The main event however, was planned from the day the reconstruction began.
In the city of Ravenna, scholars and intellectuals had been pondering the question of Roman titles and prestige, finding a loophole in calling themselves Roman, however without the fear of assault and resentment by many of the European powers. However, soon it was found, and thus a celebration was in order.
It was December 25th, 1519. Snow graced the city of Ravenna, the City of the Bastion. All the great men and women of Europe had been invited to this grand occasion, the greatest coronation since Charlemagne.
The men of the Purple Company, as well as many officers and representatives from both the Italian armies flanked the way to the Ravenna cathedral. The banner of the Red background and golden eagle were carried by all men of officer rank, the scenery a mixture of Gold, crimson and white. They all gathered in rows in the Cathedral, waiting for the event.
The royal couple soon came onto the scene, holding hands, before separating into their own separate thrones. Marcus wore a long purple cape draping down the aisle as he sat down.
Leo XI walked onto scene, in white and gold robes, and begun a prayer
“In the father, son, and the holy spirit, amen”, Leo prayed “Hear our prayer, Lord, and those of your servants. May we hear now call to order the realms of Italy and Hungary, as well as all of Europe, for this ceremony”
“Amen”. the chamber called back.
He walked back and forward, addressing the audience “Look, almighty God, with a serene gaze on this, your glorious servant has risen to legend among all the Caesars.” Leo bent down in front of Marcus, placing a beautiful mix of Germanic, Roman and Eastern crowns onto his head.
The men of his court soon rose up, and bowed to him, with Leo continuing the prayer.
“Through whom honor and glory are yours through infinite ages of ages”
The officers and generals of Italy and Hungary rose up, and bowed to Marcus and Eleanor, the new monarchs of the age.
“Receive this sword by the hands of bishops, who, though unworthy, are consecrated to be in the place and authority of the holy Apostles, deliver it to you, with our blessing, to serve for the defense of the holy Church, divinely ordained, and remember of whom the Psalmist prophesied, saying, 'Gird the sword upon your thigh, O most Powerful One, that with it you may exercise equity.’”
After the military arm had been addressed, Marcus was offered his longsword and a new scepter, both adorned in jewels of Rubies, Diamonds and Emeralds. The nobles of the twin realms soon rose up, and they bowed in respect to the King and Queen.
“By the grace of the Lord, the Kingdoms of Italia and the Kingdom of the Lands of St. Stephen, are formally united by the nature and legacy of the ancient imperium.”
“Amen”, the crowd boomed back once again.
Eleanor looked over towards Marcus and grinned “Marcus, when shall you become Emperor?”
Marcus continued to look towards the people, but he smiled and said “In about… a few hours”
She giggled, and he turned to face her, laughing slightly. Luckily however, many didn’t notice as they all focused on Leo closing the prayer.
“In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen.”
“All Hail Marcus and Eleanor Borgia-Palaiologos, Emperor and Empress of Romans in the East, King and Queen of Italy, King and Queen of Hungary, King and Queen of Naples, Duke and Duchess of Savoy, Milan, Venice and Florence. Prince and Princess of Ancona and Romagna, Defender of the Faith, and Chancellor of Rome.”
Emperor of the Romans in the East!
The Companies, for their honourable service in the wars, were renamed the Legions of their respective colours.
Henceforth, the short period of the Borgian Kingdoms came to an end. The Borgian Empire had begun.
The Coronation of Charlemagne:
Hope everyone enjoyed! This one took a lot of coronation knowledge, but hey, that comes with being British
.
Thanks for watching!
-Josh
Cesare Borgia Part 40: The New Emperor and Empress
‘Look, almighty God, with a serene gaze on this, your glorious servant has risen to legend among all the Caesars.' Leo XI, December 25th, 1520, crowning the new titles.
And as this happened, the relentless tale marches on through history.
The mental issues of Eleanor and Marcus had begun to subside, the years finally giving them the greatest medicine; time.
Pope Clement VII, the anti-pope who had held out in Rome, had died shortly after the end of the civil war. A new Pope, Leo XI, became the next Bishop of Rome, a gentle and calm soul loyal to the Borgia family. Little opposed to the regime change, as many resented Attila and his Huns for the intimidation.
A new quick line of transport between Rome and Ravenna, the Marcus road, was constructed, for faster travel between the secular and religious capitals.
The main event however, was planned from the day the reconstruction began.
In the city of Ravenna, scholars and intellectuals had been pondering the question of Roman titles and prestige, finding a loophole in calling themselves Roman, however without the fear of assault and resentment by many of the European powers. However, soon it was found, and thus a celebration was in order.
It was December 25th, 1519. Snow graced the city of Ravenna, the City of the Bastion. All the great men and women of Europe had been invited to this grand occasion, the greatest coronation since Charlemagne.
The men of the Purple Company, as well as many officers and representatives from both the Italian armies flanked the way to the Ravenna cathedral. The banner of the Red background and golden eagle were carried by all men of officer rank, the scenery a mixture of Gold, crimson and white. They all gathered in rows in the Cathedral, waiting for the event.
The royal couple soon came onto the scene, holding hands, before separating into their own separate thrones. Marcus wore a long purple cape draping down the aisle as he sat down.
Leo XI walked onto scene, in white and gold robes, and begun a prayer
“In the father, son, and the holy spirit, amen”, Leo prayed “Hear our prayer, Lord, and those of your servants. May we hear now call to order the realms of Italy and Hungary, as well as all of Europe, for this ceremony”
“Amen”. the chamber called back.
He walked back and forward, addressing the audience “Look, almighty God, with a serene gaze on this, your glorious servant has risen to legend among all the Caesars.” Leo bent down in front of Marcus, placing a beautiful mix of Germanic, Roman and Eastern crowns onto his head.
The men of his court soon rose up, and bowed to him, with Leo continuing the prayer.
“Through whom honor and glory are yours through infinite ages of ages”
The officers and generals of Italy and Hungary rose up, and bowed to Marcus and Eleanor, the new monarchs of the age.
“Receive this sword by the hands of bishops, who, though unworthy, are consecrated to be in the place and authority of the holy Apostles, deliver it to you, with our blessing, to serve for the defense of the holy Church, divinely ordained, and remember of whom the Psalmist prophesied, saying, 'Gird the sword upon your thigh, O most Powerful One, that with it you may exercise equity.’”
After the military arm had been addressed, Marcus was offered his longsword and a new scepter, both adorned in jewels of Rubies, Diamonds and Emeralds. The nobles of the twin realms soon rose up, and they bowed in respect to the King and Queen.
“By the grace of the Lord, the Kingdoms of Italia and the Kingdom of the Lands of St. Stephen, are formally united by the nature and legacy of the ancient imperium.”
“Amen”, the crowd boomed back once again.
Eleanor looked over towards Marcus and grinned “Marcus, when shall you become Emperor?”
Marcus continued to look towards the people, but he smiled and said “In about… a few hours”
She giggled, and he turned to face her, laughing slightly. Luckily however, many didn’t notice as they all focused on Leo closing the prayer.
“In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen.”
“All Hail Marcus and Eleanor Borgia-Palaiologos, Emperor and Empress of Romans in the East, King and Queen of Italy, King and Queen of Hungary, King and Queen of Naples, Duke and Duchess of Savoy, Milan, Venice and Florence. Prince and Princess of Ancona and Romagna, Defender of the Faith, and Chancellor of Rome.”
Emperor of the Romans in the East!
The Companies, for their honourable service in the wars, were renamed the Legions of their respective colours.
Henceforth, the short period of the Borgian Kingdoms came to an end. The Borgian Empire had begun.
The Coronation of Charlemagne:
Hope everyone enjoyed! This one took a lot of coronation knowledge, but hey, that comes with being British
.Thanks for watching!
-Josh
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gains 50 prestige
Lose 500 ducats.
gain 100 legitimacy
gain claims on italy, the balkans, and anatolia.
Lose 500 ducats.
gain 100 legitimacy
gain claims on italy, the balkans, and anatolia.
Cesare Borgia: A Restored Rome Timeline
Cesare Borgia: A Restored Rome Timeline
Cesare Borgia Part 41: The Start of a New Age
'Be prepared to face the wrath of both the infidel and the armies of god lest you heed my call...' Sultan Suleiman Osmali, 1521, warning the Sultan of Tunis against Cesare and himself.
The world gave yet another collective gasp at the nature of the Eastern Romans. Many feared the rise of an Orthodox power, however others calmed themselves on the nature of the Latin Empire.
Selim I was dead. He had advanced on the Mamluks, and immediately his son, Suleiman, became Sultan. On the news of this coronation, Suleiman immediately sent a diplomatic insult, denying the claim of the Roman title, based around mostly the holding of its most prestigious city.
Austria, while sceptical, was still open to negotiations, as benefitted by both sides due to the Borgia-Hapsburg alliance. Charles V sent a letter of assurance to the Borgia couple, that there were ‘no quarrels with the means of the Pope’
Meanwhile, further reforms and ideas were put into place. Marcus, realising the benefit of highly disciplined and organised troops, especially involving the officers and command structure, had decided to construct several new colleges for military officers and generals. These were constructed in Ravenna, Naples, Budapest and Belgrade (Serbians had been a reason for the victory against the Ottomans.)
This was to further advance the army, and with this came additional developments of weaponry and armaments in Leonardo’s Academy. One of which was the triple barreled cannon. Leonardo and his academics, originally hesitant to building weapons of war, had accepted it on the basis of the nature of the state they funded, and soon this team had developed a cannon that could fire through seperate tubes, and was primarily designed to be used on infantry to devastating effect. A 33-barrel design as 3x11 with a moveable support structure was developed, however it was decided that it was too expensive to be currently used, so prototypes would remain as defenses on the Ravenna bastion.
However, on the coast of North Affrica the rivalry of Marcus and Suleiman was cemented.
The Muhammad IV Hafsid, Sultan of the Hafsid Realm, rested comfortably in the nature of his realm. Despite its decline, it was still wealthy, and due to the man's age, there was little left he could do.
A man knocked on his door. A man with horse tail banners entered his hall.
‘We bring news from the House of Osman. He believes you to be a valuable partner in his plans.’
He gave the man the letter, and soon left the room. The man read it, his face lost in the pages.
‘...The heathen plans on the taking of Muslim land. Yonder your ships, for they may prevent this calamity. Otherwise, be prepared to face the wrath of both the infidel and the armies of god lest you heed my call...’
Muhammad IV Hafsid changed as a person that day. He soon became agitated and angry, from being the relaxed monarch of peacetime to one itching for war. And this, would be his cause, and with this destruction.
World of the Renovatio Imperator, 1521.
Hope everyone enjoyed! This is the new age for both Europe and Asia. May nothing remain the same.
Thanks for reading!
-Josh
Cesare Borgia Part 41: The Start of a New Age
'Be prepared to face the wrath of both the infidel and the armies of god lest you heed my call...' Sultan Suleiman Osmali, 1521, warning the Sultan of Tunis against Cesare and himself.
The world gave yet another collective gasp at the nature of the Eastern Romans. Many feared the rise of an Orthodox power, however others calmed themselves on the nature of the Latin Empire.
Selim I was dead. He had advanced on the Mamluks, and immediately his son, Suleiman, became Sultan. On the news of this coronation, Suleiman immediately sent a diplomatic insult, denying the claim of the Roman title, based around mostly the holding of its most prestigious city.
Austria, while sceptical, was still open to negotiations, as benefitted by both sides due to the Borgia-Hapsburg alliance. Charles V sent a letter of assurance to the Borgia couple, that there were ‘no quarrels with the means of the Pope’
Meanwhile, further reforms and ideas were put into place. Marcus, realising the benefit of highly disciplined and organised troops, especially involving the officers and command structure, had decided to construct several new colleges for military officers and generals. These were constructed in Ravenna, Naples, Budapest and Belgrade (Serbians had been a reason for the victory against the Ottomans.)
This was to further advance the army, and with this came additional developments of weaponry and armaments in Leonardo’s Academy. One of which was the triple barreled cannon. Leonardo and his academics, originally hesitant to building weapons of war, had accepted it on the basis of the nature of the state they funded, and soon this team had developed a cannon that could fire through seperate tubes, and was primarily designed to be used on infantry to devastating effect. A 33-barrel design as 3x11 with a moveable support structure was developed, however it was decided that it was too expensive to be currently used, so prototypes would remain as defenses on the Ravenna bastion.
However, on the coast of North Affrica the rivalry of Marcus and Suleiman was cemented.
The Muhammad IV Hafsid, Sultan of the Hafsid Realm, rested comfortably in the nature of his realm. Despite its decline, it was still wealthy, and due to the man's age, there was little left he could do.
A man knocked on his door. A man with horse tail banners entered his hall.
‘We bring news from the House of Osman. He believes you to be a valuable partner in his plans.’
He gave the man the letter, and soon left the room. The man read it, his face lost in the pages.
‘...The heathen plans on the taking of Muslim land. Yonder your ships, for they may prevent this calamity. Otherwise, be prepared to face the wrath of both the infidel and the armies of god lest you heed my call...’
Muhammad IV Hafsid changed as a person that day. He soon became agitated and angry, from being the relaxed monarch of peacetime to one itching for war. And this, would be his cause, and with this destruction.
World of the Renovatio Imperator, 1521.
Hope everyone enjoyed! This is the new age for both Europe and Asia. May nothing remain the same.
Thanks for reading!
-Josh
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You have gained the casus belli "Diplomatic Insult" against Ottomans.
They shall soon regret their words.
Ottomans and Tunis have formed a Military Alliance. Bad tidings indeed.
Send Giorgio Anacozzio to Improve Relations with Persia?
They shall soon regret their words.
Ottomans and Tunis have formed a Military Alliance. Bad tidings indeed.
Send Giorgio Anacozzio to Improve Relations with Persia?
You have gained the casus belli "Diplomatic Insult" against Ottomans.
They shall soon regret their words.
Ottomans and Tunis have formed a Military Alliance. Bad tidings indeed.
Send Giorgio Anacozzio to Improve Relations with Persia?
You've been playing far too much EU4.