What if Alois Hitler immigrates to America with Klara and

brunohusker

Adolph is born in America? What would an American Hitler be like? I mean i would want to avoid him being born evil like Turtledove's Joe Steele but he obviously had inherited some mental illness from his family didn't he?

Also where would someone like Alois settle? I doubt he'd be a farmer or something though I could see him getting some sort of city job and then becoming a postal worker or something (much like his civil servants job)

What about Adolf himself? What would he do? Would Art still be a part of his life? Would he be antisemitic (or rabidbly since at the time many people were a tad antisemitic)

My idea is that Alois and Klara due to family scandals move to America and settle in a german enclave of a larger city like Chicago or Milwaukee or even New York. Anyway, this allows adolf to be born somewhere in the US in 1889 and for this purpose let's just say Chicago.

Anyway Hitler grows up in one of these neighborhoods but essentially is American. Would he just be some nobody? Does he still even care about Art or Politics or anything. I kind of think it would be fun to see him as a kind of radical politician but maybe more left wing like a member of the IWW or something because he fails out of art and architecture school and is left destitute

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Xenophonte

Xenophonte

All our world will be butterflied...

Perhaps we'll have a Hitler become a popular American science-fantasy novelist. ;)
 

brunohusker

Xenophonte said:
All our world will be butterflied...

Perhaps we'll have a Hitler become a popular American science-fantasy novelist. ;)
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I can just see it now. Dolph is born in Milwaukee. His father wants him to be a postal worker since he himself was a civil servant. Instead he fails out of the art institute of Chicago and the University of Wisconsin school of architecture only to become a pioneering sci-fi writer and political dissident due to his protest of world war one.

Eventually Hitler's true gift is for writing and speaking and he ends up writing popular novels about how a group of aliens infiltrates the human race but are stopped by a group of superhumans who are racially pure. He also is known for his correspondence with HP Lovecraft and lives until 1976.
 
oshron

oshron

brunohusker said:
I can just see it now. Dolph is born in Milwaukee. His father wants him to be a postal worker since he himself was a civil servant. Instead he fails out of the art institute of Chicago and the University of Wisconsin school of architecture only to become a pioneering sci-fi writer and political dissident due to his protest of world war one.

Eventually Hitler's true gift is for writing and speaking and he ends up writing popular novels about how a group of aliens infiltrates the human race but are stopped by a group of superhumans who are racially pure. He also is known for his correspondence with HP Lovecraft and lives until 1976.
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a career as a writer sounds plausible to me. everything else aside, hitler WAS quite the orator and writer
 

brunohusker

oshron said:
a career as a writer sounds plausible to me. everything else aside, hitler WAS quite the orator and writer
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Yes. I still also see him as political in some way shape or form. Not that he'd be successful or anything but as a kind of fringe political figure on the radical left or radical right. Maybe in Milwaukee he ends up being a strong supporter of Sewer Socialism. Or if he is a good writer and orator maybe he helps LaFollette's 24 campaign as a speechwriter?
 

Arkenfolm

What about Hitler's siblings, all of whom beside Paula Hitler died young? Do they survive? Regardless, this won't be the same Hitler we know, not in the slightest. Maybe Hitler will be the guy the Socialist Party needs to succeed Eugene Debs and Hitler becomes a perennial contender for the presidency under their banner. Or maybe he won't enter politics at all, he'll just study math a bit harder, and become a successful architect.
 

Byzantion

brunohusker said:
Adolph is born in America? What would an American Hitler be like? I mean i would want to avoid him being born evil like Turtledove's Joe Steele but he obviously had inherited some mental illness from his family didn't he?

Also where would someone like Alois settle? I doubt he'd be a farmer or something though I could see him getting some sort of city job and then becoming a postal worker or something (much like his civil servants job)

What about Adolf himself? What would he do? Would Art still be a part of his life? Would he be antisemitic (or rabidbly since at the time many people were a tad antisemitic)

My idea is that Alois and Klara due to family scandals move to America and settle in a german enclave of a larger city like Chicago or Milwaukee or even New York. Anyway, this allows adolf to be born somewhere in the US in 1889 and for this purpose let's just say Chicago.

Anyway Hitler grows up in one of these neighborhoods but essentially is American. Would he just be some nobody? Does he still even care about Art or Politics or anything. I kind of think it would be fun to see him as a kind of radical politician but maybe more left wing like a member of the IWW or something because he fails out of art and architecture school and is left destitute

Any other suggestions
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What is with his psychopathologic structure ?
 

brunohusker

Byzantion said:
What is with his psychopathologic structure ?
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Well, I don't know for sure other than i'd assume his father would still be kind of a dick and he'd adore his mother. I don't know though if there are specific mental issues come to think of it. Maybe genetically he has the makeup to have Parkinsons but that isn't a mind thing for the most part.

Here's another thing. Would growing up in Chicago or Milwaukee or any other large US city make one more or less racist? I mean sure his father might still harbor ill will toward Jews and if his family continues to practice Catholicism there might be some sparks there but I don't see him being a full raging anti-semite.

As for Alois's children, they'd be young enough to come over with him. Based on their stories, I could see Alois Jr. leaving in 1898 at 16 to go to Alaska to mine gold but maybe ends up in Seattle working as a fisherman and just kind of fade into history

Paula would probably also just fade into history as some secretary and in all likelihood so would Adolf.

As for world effects, we get something equivalent to World War Two, even if its not for exactly the same reasons. Maybe the Holocaust doesn't take place but a World War Two would happen. There were enough reasons for Germany to be mad after World War One
 

wietze

he won't be born, due to all what happened before. maybe a child gets born around the same time that he did, but genetic it wont be AH, might also be a girl.
 
Eivind

Eivind

MorningDew said:
His ENTIRE LIFE wold be butterflied, probably even his name.
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If POD is after the conception, but his parents move to the USA before his birth, his life would of course be very different, but it would not be butterflied away. His name could very well be the same, unless his parents for some reason were influenced to pick another name. I do not know what exactly made him interested in arts, so I cannot say whether he would also have this interest in this different situation. If he became interested in politics, he would be far less successful than in Germany, because of a very different political situation. If you had placed him in the deep south, maybe he could have appealed to racist elements there, if he developed similar political ideas.
 

brunohusker

Eivind said:
If POD is after the conception, but his parents move to the USA before his birth, his life would of course be very different, but it would not be butterflied away. His name could very well be the same, unless his parents for some reason were influenced to pick another name. I do not know what exactly made him interested in arts, so I cannot say whether he would also have this interest in this different situation. If he became interested in politics, he would be far less successful than in Germany, because of a very different political situation. If you had placed him in the deep south, maybe he could have appealed to racist elements there, if he developed similar political ideas.
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Who's to say he'd be racist? Or more racist than a typical white man of his time? Also I put the midwest out there because there are a lot of germans. Unless he went to somewhere like central Texas, there weren't many germans in the south. Granted a Texas Hitler might be fun. Have good old "Dolf" grow up in the hill country and make him a more racist LBJ type. The irony would be he'd be an ally of the New Deal and roosevelt until Truman takes over and then he becomes a dixiecrat.
 

wietze

Eivind said:
If POD is after the conception, but his parents move to the USA before his birth, his life would of course be very different, but it would not be butterflied away. His name could very well be the same, unless his parents for some reason were influenced to pick another name. I do not know what exactly made him interested in arts, so I cannot say whether he would also have this interest in this different situation. If he became interested in politics, he would be far less successful than in Germany, because of a very different political situation. If you had placed him in the deep south, maybe he could have appealed to racist elements there, if he developed similar political ideas.
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they might name him donald :p
 
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