What if Alois Hitler immigrates to America with Klara and

[Firesofdoom]

I think that regardless of whether hitlar moved to America, there would probably still be some form of Nazis in Germany, though possibly not a influential or powerful.

Also, if Hotler did become a writer in America, I could see him being simelar to George Orwell, with political ideas in his stories.

 

[brunohusker]

I think that regardless of whether hitlar moved to America, there would probably still be some form of Nazis in Germany, though possibly not a influential or powerful.

Also, if Hotler did become a writer in America, I could see him being simelar to George Orwell, with political ideas in his stories.

Maybe. I also see him being more of a socialist in America than a national socialist. Mostly because in a lot of German enclaves socialism was the norm. I mean Milwaukee was run by the Socialists for years. He even might think that the germans are better because they are socialists while those who don't are inferior.

 

[Richter von Manthofen]

As his Father was quite a "high" ranking customs officer he might have been noticed by an superior and posted to the Austrian Embassy in the US (maybe Klara is pregnant with young Adolph who IS then born in the US).

I can't see another "plausible" situatione where Alois emigrates

Work from here...

 

[Darth_Kiryan]

As for world effects, we get something equivalent to World War Two, even if its not for exactly the same reasons. Maybe the Holocaust doesn't take place but a World War Two would happen. There were enough reasons for Germany to be mad after World War One

Assuming of course that the 25 years between the POD and before World War One are actually able to produce the same effects which makes Germany the scapegoat villain for two wars..

 

[GdwnsnHo]

Assuming of course that the 25 years between the POD and before World War One are actually able to produce the same effects which makes Germany the scapegoat villain for two wars..

Economic issues brought on by Versailles, and a high-strung revanchist spirit? Sure it may not be the racial-purity nazis, but I doubt that the other major players from Germany are just going to disappear - which means that another revanchist party will emerge, use nationalism to win the election, and agitate for war.

It just may not be looking for lebenstraum, and implement agricultural reforms first.

 

[Darth_Kiryan]

Economic issues brought on by Versailles, and a high-strung revanchist spirit? Sure it may not be the racial-purity nazis, but I doubt that the other major players from Germany are just going to disappear - which means that another revanchist party will emerge, use nationalism to win the election, and agitate for war.

It just may not be looking for lebenstraum, and implement agricultural reforms first.

Again: this is all depending on Germany being the WW1 villain 25 years after the POD.

Given that you have things like Fashoda and even the Russo-Japanese war almost going larger in OTL, these could be earlier WW1's. Hell, even the Spanish-American war could turn uglier (of course, that defeats my point with there being German Advisers there apparetnly).

Hell, it could also just be a Euro-centric war anyway.

 

[brunohusker]

As his Father was quite a "high" ranking customs officer he might have been noticed by an superior and posted to the Austrian Embassy in the US (maybe Klara is pregnant with young Adolph who IS then born in the US).

I can't see another "plausible" situatione where Alois emigrates

Work from here...

Or maybe he just moves and ends up as a postal worker or some humdrum type official, or he tries to farm but fails and ends up a drunk somewhere out on the plains of North Dakota or something

 

[GdwnsnHo]

Again: this is all depending on Germany being the WW1 villain 25 years after the POD.

Given that you have things like Fashoda and even the Russo-Japanese war almost going larger in OTL, these could be earlier WW1's. Hell, even the Spanish-American war could turn uglier (of course, that defeats my point with there being German Advisers there apparetnly).

Hell, it could also just be a Euro-centric war anyway.

Whilst butterflies are a big deal, I see no way that Adolf Hitler and family were instrumental in European politics and economics prior to his leadership of the Nazi party, so I'd discount any butterflies, until after WW1, where Hitler really became a public figure - and notably isn't present to spy on the German Workers Party.

 

[brunohusker]

Whilst butterflies are a big deal, I see no way that Adolf Hitler and family were instrumental in European politics and economics prior to his leadership of the Nazi party, so I'd discount any butterflies, until after WW1, where Hitler really became a public figure - and notably isn't present to spy on the German Workers Party.

Obviously. Somehow though a second world war happens, or at least some sort of war involving Germany even if it is simply the soviets trying to expand communism westward.

 

[oudi14]

One thing everyone seems to have forgotten; a US born Hitler will be 28 when war is declared on Germany in 1917. He will be subject to the draft, and may well end up in the AEF and fights Germans in France in 1918. I also agree with an earlier poster, whereby there are no significant butterflies because of Alois Hitler emigrating. Guy was a nobody.

 

[Alex1guy]

I think that regardless of whether hitlar moved to America, there would probably still be some form of Nazis in Germany, though possibly not a influential or powerful.

Also, if Hotler did become a writer in America, I could see him being simelar to George Orwell, with political ideas in his stories.

Without Hitler, no Nazis. He was the one who basically turned a group of sour veterans into the political party we all know and loathe.

 

[Marc Pasquin]

Without Hitler, no Nazis. He was the one who basically turned a group of sour veterans into the political party we all know and loathe.

maybe not nazi per say but you had plenty of volkish and nationalists movement that some suitably similar group might take power, something like the DNVP backed by Sthalhelm street fighters.

 

[Marc Pasquin]

In regard to Hitler being active in politics, he might have joined or founded some equivalent to what eventually became in OTL the German American Bund. It could have started as a local fan club of the DNVP/DVP/etc.. trying to gain support in the US for an end to Versailles.

 

[brunohusker]

One thing everyone seems to have forgotten; a US born Hitler will be 28 when war is declared on Germany in 1917. He will be subject to the draft, and may well end up in the AEF and fights Germans in France in 1918. I also agree with an earlier poster, whereby there are no significant butterflies because of Alois Hitler emigrating. Guy was a nobody.

Meh since he's German he might be against the war. Which is why i would think he'd gravitate towards the socialist party, or at least towards LaFollette type progressivism

 

[Orsino]

Politics and extremism isn't in people's DNA, if Hitler grew up in a different milieu Hitler would be a different man.

I'll grant you that because his parents are the same (up to the point of the POD where their lives change dramatically) and his genetics are the same, Hitler might have some of the same personality traits and disposition as in OTL but things like becoming involved in far-right politics are very much the result of life experience.

Hitler could of turned out to be almost any kind of man. If he'd been born in the USA the chances are he'd be an unexceptional American in an unexceptional job, raising a family and being generally unremarkable. If he ever tries painting maybe he finds he has some natural talent and makes a hobby of it.

But at no point is some congenital drive to become the rabble-rousing leader of an extremist political movement suddenly gonna kick in.

 

[oudi14]

He might well be against the war, but if his ass gets drafted, I seriously doubt anyone in authority gives a damn about his feelings. I mean, Wisconsin was [still is?] majority German, but they could hardly give out exemptions to people based on their ethnicity, especially to someone born in America as Adolf will be, in this TL. As for his politics, he could easily be a socialist.

Meh since he's German he might be against the war. Which is why i would think he'd gravitate towards the socialist party, or at least towards LaFollette type progressivism

 

[Monter]

This pic actually made me giggle after reading this thread.

 

[Red_Galiray]

I remember reading an article that said that fascism wasn't Hitler's creation, but a movement created by the Great War. Mussolini was its creator in a certain way.

Anyway, the article said that even if Hitler is not there, a fascist movement will eventualy rise. It won't probably be nazism, but will likely push for a remilitarization of Germany to make it a Great Power once more. Unless the new leader believes that Stab in the Back and Arian Supperiority crap too, the Social Darwinisn and anti-semitism won't be present, but the crazy nationalism will remain. Then, the butterflies are just to big. Does the new fascist party acquire actual power? Does Germany start another World War? As for the minor butterflies, the swastica wouldn't be seen as a symbol of a Genocide Dictadorship, but as a symbol of good luck in several religions.

As for Hitler himself, he may combat in World War I as an American Soldier, though wheter or not he identifies himself as American depends in his education and values.

 

[Umbral]

Not a perfect match, but still relevant I guess:

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=214594&page=2

 

[Kibbutznik]

This pic actually made me giggle after reading this thread.

He actually doesn't look that bad.