We've talked a lot about the Pinnies, Illuminism, etc but we barely touch egoist china nor the supercatholics.

If we think about it, egoist china is in a complicated position. To the north and the east are CoCorea and the Holy Nippon and to the south the massive colonial dutch empire, an ally of the former two. India and Illuminist ones I don't know. Being all revolutionaries I imagine they have fairly good relations, to the point they form alliances against the "oppresors" of the world, but one can't know what tensions will turn them against each other, especially in this world. Perhaps historical rivalries between empires.

Idea for a cocorean scapegoat: just as the loomie slav is the cokie knight's archenemy, the mongoloid egoist chinee is the ancestral enemy of the Race of Paektu. Obviously the "chinee oppresor" rethoric already exists but here it has in addition to it an ideological component in that the chinese are egoists and thus even worse, because as egoists they are subversive destroyers of the national values.
You just made me realize two things.
1-the Dutch are probably the sanest of world powers ITTL and the ones who probably have the most truly scientific approach to research and academy and they have colonies like everywhere, so they have had contacts with the most diverse peoples cultures and languages, so yeah, they probably have the best spies. Their royalty are Bonapartes, so they are not entirely anti-French or anti-Catholic, and they are allies with the Fascists by pure realpolitik and I imagine their army is massive and probably multiracial with thousands of colonial soldiers. The RU doesn't like them very much, probably.
2-The whole "mongoloid savages" propaganda thing must be hard to promote among Coreans, since they are well aware of the differences between real Mongols and Chinese.
 
I am still alive guys! Went camping and communed with nature under an abandoned hobo bridge full of spiders. Ah, glorious nature.

Does anyone have a full list of the existing economic clans by any chance?

There was a pretty nice list in my Henry Ford chapter, as well, but it's been like 20 in universe years since that one. Born is correct up above of you just want the Clans themselves, but the Ford chapter covered a lot of companies that made them up.
 

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I am still alive guys! Went camping and communed with nature under an abandoned hobo bridge full of spiders. Ah, glorious nature.



There was a pretty nice list in my Henry Ford chapter, as well, but it's been like 20 in universe years since that one.
West Virginia I see. I know your home state had Unionists and Confederates.
 
TIL that when the Pledge off Allegiance was first introduced to American schools, it involved a hand gestured called the “Bellamy salute”, which for no particular reason was removed after WW2. I bring this up because, well...


Sometimes the Madness just writes itself.
I'm still a long ways from finishing my read-through of The Union Forever, but the funny thing about this is that the originator of the Bellamy Salute, Francis Bellamy, would fit right in with the Madnessverse and the RU as a possible political/religious ally of Custer (from what I can tell). He was a Christian socialist who wrote the original version of the Pledge of Allegiance (which he viewed as a way to "inoculate" immigrants against the "virus" of radicalism and subversion) and was influenced by the teachings of the Second Great Awakening (though he'd more likely be part of the later wave of Spiritual Marxist AFC members given that he was born in 1855). Hell, even some of his OTL views on immigration would fit right in with the xenophobia of the RU and even sounds like something straight out of the Madnessverse. To quote:
On immigration and universal suffrage, Bellamy wrote in the editorial of The Illustrated American, Vol. XXII, No. 394, p. 258: "[a] democracy like ours cannot afford to throw itself open to the world where every man is a lawmaker, every dull-witted or fanatical immigrant admitted to our citizenship is a bane to the commonwealth.”[9] And further: "Where all classes of society merge insensibly into one another every alien immigrant of inferior race may bring corruption to the stock. There are races more or less akin to our own whom we may admit freely and get nothing but advantage by the infusion of their wholesome blood. But there are other races, which we cannot assimilate without lowering our racial standard, which should be as sacred to us as the sanctity of our homes."[13]
 
I'm still a long ways from finishing my read-through of The Union Forever, but the funny thing about this is that the originator of the Bellamy Salute, Francis Bellamy, would fit right in with the Madnessverse and the RU as a possible political/religious ally of Custer (from what I can tell). He was a Christian socialist who wrote the original version of the Pledge of Allegiance (which he viewed as a way to "inoculate" immigrants against the "virus" of radicalism and subversion) and was influenced by the teachings of the Second Great Awakening (though he'd more likely be part of the later wave of Spiritual Marxist AFC members given that he was born in 1855). Hell, even some of his OTL views on immigration would fit right in with the xenophobia of the RU and even sounds like something straight out of the Madnessverse. To quote:
I knew Bellamy was a socialist, and that he probably held some racist views, but didn't know just how racist he was. He (or someone like him) would be a perfect fit here.
 
I knew Bellamy was a socialist, and that he probably held some racist views, but didn't know just how racist he was. He (or someone like him) would be a perfect fit here.
While I agree that he's a perfect fit, there's still one contradiction about Bellamy's views that's worth mentioning. As far as I can tell (at least, from the brief search I did on the subject), he doesn't seem to have been particularly racist, despite how his quote on immigration shows him as virulently xenophobic. There doesn't seem to be a universal consensus on his views towards racial minorities (which is why I label him as xenophobic rather than racist), with some articles painting him as racist towards African-Americans while others take the opposite view of him as a social reformer who wanted to help African-Americans. In fact, the alleged reason given for why Bellamy stopped attending church during his retirement in Florida in OTL was because he disliked the racial bigotry he saw there. It's an interesting paradox where he's supportive of social reform yet against immigration, similar to how temperance movements in the US supported various social reforms while imposing their own Protestant values on Catholic immigrant communities, and it makes him fit even more in the Madnessverse with the RU's positive view of African-American and Jewish citizens as Betters and their outright hatred of Catholic and Slavic immigrants as Inferiors.
 
I'm still a long ways from finishing my read-through of The Union Forever, but the funny thing about this is that the originator of the Bellamy Salute, Francis Bellamy, would fit right in with the Madnessverse and the RU as a possible political/religious ally of Custer (from what I can tell). He was a Christian socialist who wrote the original version of the Pledge of Allegiance (which he viewed as a way to "inoculate" immigrants against the "virus" of radicalism and subversion) and was influenced by the teachings of the Second Great Awakening (though he'd more likely be part of the later wave of Spiritual Marxist AFC members given that he was born in 1855). Hell, even some of his OTL views on immigration would fit right in with the xenophobia of the RU and even sounds like something straight out of the Madnessverse. To quote:

I’m definitely going to use him in the Flight Of Joey Oswald. I could see him as an advisor to Custer whois one of the proponents of the Kissimmee Conference. He loyally orders RU troops to go around killing inferiors. Since he was a socialist I’m going to guess he’s not a fan of the Clans viewing them as threatening the life and health of betters. During the time when Steele comes to power he gleefully supports him. My guess is that he pisses off the Clans too much and is murdered (probably entitled war criminal Charles Goodyear II). Probably pisses off Steele and Steele allows him to be killed by a Clan. Probably an advocate of an early version Operation Manifest Destiny Climax.
 
Hi there, I'm the guy a few weeks back that converted the first volume into an EPUB. I'm about 91% of the way(according to my Kindle) through and I have to say that this is easily one my favorite stories now. I'm currently just starting the chapter titled "A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN: THE REPUBLIC OF NORWAY", presumably ramping up to the proper start of the war for South America, and I can't put it down. Once I'm fully caught up, I may try my hand at a side story in the thread designated for it.

I do have a question though. A lot of characters are obvious remixes of people from our TL, but one person I've been having trouble placing is the "Black Jew", the guy who came up with the vaccine poison. At first, I thought he was a corrupted Einstein, but the descriptions of what he looked like never seemed to fit. With the introduction of Otto, I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be Einstein. So that makes me wonder who the first guy is OTL?
 
I do have a question though. A lot of characters are obvious remixes of people from our TL, but one person I've been having trouble placing is the "Black Jew", the guy who came up with the vaccine poison. At first, I thought he was a corrupted Einstein, but the descriptions of what he looked like never seemed to fit. With the introduction of Otto, I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be Einstein. So that makes me wonder who the first guy is OTL?
Ten bucks says that he's fictional.
 
Hi there, I'm the guy a few weeks back that converted the first volume into an EPUB. I'm about 91% of the way(according to my Kindle) through and I have to say that this is easily one my favorite stories now. I'm currently just starting the chapter titled "A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN: THE REPUBLIC OF NORWAY", presumably ramping up to the proper start of the war for South America, and I can't put it down. Once I'm fully caught up, I may try my hand at a side story in the thread designated for it.

I do have a question though. A lot of characters are obvious remixes of people from our TL, but one person I've been having trouble placing is the "Black Jew", the guy who came up with the vaccine poison. At first, I thought he was a corrupted Einstein, but the descriptions of what he looked like never seemed to fit. With the introduction of Otto, I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be Einstein. So that makes me wonder who the first guy is OTL?
He's fictional, basically if you threw Einstein and Mengele (with an actual genius intellect in biology and immunology) into a blender and poured him into a seersucker suit
 
Hi there, I'm the guy a few weeks back that converted the first volume into an EPUB. I'm about 91% of the way(according to my Kindle) through and I have to say that this is easily one my favorite stories now. I'm currently just starting the chapter titled "A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN: THE REPUBLIC OF NORWAY", presumably ramping up to the proper start of the war for South America, and I can't put it down. Once I'm fully caught up, I may try my hand at a side story in the thread designated for it.

I do have a question though. A lot of characters are obvious remixes of people from our TL, but one person I've been having trouble placing is the "Black Jew", the guy who came up with the vaccine poison. At first, I thought he was a corrupted Einstein, but the descriptions of what he looked like never seemed to fit. With the introduction of Otto, I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be Einstein. So that makes me wonder who the first guy is OTL?

He's fictional but largely inspired by Mengele (ironically enough).
 
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Rare photos of the tragic accident that would take the life of President Charles 'Chuckie' Oswald- 1972
 
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