Meanwhile the Illuminati has their own ruling council created as a reaction against the AFC.
"What Madness Is This?" Volume I: The Union Forever
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Jame Morrison Only NU soldier to have gotten off the island aliveFour words: Killer Fascist Polar Bears
We had thousands of people nah ten of thousands of people on those beaches. It looked like nothing could stop us... we never got past the beaches, they came...
What came!
The white! They were everywhere!
This was a warning of the white menace that would become feared throughout the world. Taking everyone, country, every religion, and every culture to stop...
Quick message from work: Illuminists aren't really anarchists at all. They believe in "genuine democracy," but in the worst sense, as in total mob rule. They're basically the French Revolution II. There are some dictators but I see the Illuminists becoming more balanced leadership wise after the revolutions.
So in the inevitable GWW3 I expect them to grind their enemies under battalions fighting for elected commissars as they have elections every few months to change civilian leadership
Actually what if they settle on a parliamentary system after the revolutions? The coalitions are constantly shifting from day to day but the on paper "leader" has entirely ceremonial power as a refutation of Fascist/Evolist/Eduist cults of personality. They could even have the executive represented by Nietzsche as a riff on Korea's "eternal president" thing. It would make it harder for Steele to deal with, because there's no real leader to assassinate.
Also, I see Beutelists and Illuminists as enemies, not potential allies. The Illuminists don't want anarchy, they want democracy and the destruction of religion, but they still believe in law and order. They'd likely see the anarchists as diabolic terrorists, ironically. Especially since many Beutelists value religious liberty and Eduists have the People's Pope.
Vuu
Banned
For fuck's sake now they're gonna get stuffed with blacks and become the crypto-Tsalal but somehow even more insufferable
So would the primary axis for analysis on the political spectrum TTL be libertarian/authoritarian rather than the focus OTL on conservative/progressive? If that were the case I think the spectrum would go (from least to most authoritarian): Beutelism, Illuminism, Eduism, Fascism, and then finally Evolism.
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Vuu
Banned
If we really wanted them to get close to the real deal they'd have to go really really black, which would then require a diet that makes the Inuit look vegetarian or otherwise rickets is gonna be srs bsns
As for what Peter II's political beliefs are: He believes in Peterism. He subscribes to no philosophy. He merely does what is most beneficial to himself and the Church's power.
As for the great callback one commentator had about Pennsylvania Jack fighting a Musso knockoff: I can see our rugged Yankee explorer frequently fighting off the diabolical Cardinal Bruno Moretti.
"CURSE YOU, A-PENNSYLVANIA JACK! THE A-TRUE CROSS WILL-A BE ALL MINE, I SWEAR TO A-BLESSED MAMA MARY!" *Italian hand gestures*
"Ya see, Card'nal, that's where ya wrong, kid. FOR THE PROPHET!" *flicks cigarette before punching Moretti in the mouth*
Oh lord, now I'm picturing a movie in this universe where Pennsylvania Jack is on an epic horseback chase with a convoy of Papal armored trucks transporting the True Cross.
"IT BELONGS AT THE BENEDICT ARNOLD UNIVERSITY MUSEUM!"
As for the great callback one commentator had about Pennsylvania Jack fighting a Musso knockoff: I can see our rugged Yankee explorer frequently fighting off the diabolical Cardinal Bruno Moretti.
"CURSE YOU, A-PENNSYLVANIA JACK! THE A-TRUE CROSS WILL-A BE ALL MINE, I SWEAR TO A-BLESSED MAMA MARY!" *Italian hand gestures*
"Ya see, Card'nal, that's where ya wrong, kid. FOR THE PROPHET!" *flicks cigarette before punching Moretti in the mouth*
Oh lord, now I'm picturing a movie in this universe where Pennsylvania Jack is on an epic horseback chase with a convoy of Papal armored trucks transporting the True Cross.
"IT BELONGS AT THE BENEDICT ARNOLD UNIVERSITY MUSEUM!"
Would it be an Elder Sign shape to show that the Tobias Institute was right all along unlike those know-nothing Papists?
I don't think Madness has a spectrum of authoritarian/libertarian at all. It's just various degrees of authoritarian. Absolute monarchy, absolute monarchy with a parliament for show that doesn't actually matter, fascism, somehow worse than fascism, intentional death spiral of mob rule and dictatorial purges, someone trying for something approaching socialist democracy and instead taking a right turn into Supreme Leader territory but at least they don't go full Orwell, and abolish the state and revert to tribal gangs.
These all basically end up the same way, with a very small group of people having power and all the rest being trampled on.
All of these fucking scumbags are irredeemable bastards. Caesar, Viktor, Kolchak, Steele, Oswald, Hendrick/Heydrich, Churchill, "Splendidfaith", whoever the fuck is in charge of Illuminist Russia, Pope Mussolini, every single one of them is a total and irredeemable scumbag. They are all the same. Caesar is no better than Custer, Viktor no better than Steele. They're all just murderous wannabe strongmen with delusions of grandeur.
These all basically end up the same way, with a very small group of people having power and all the rest being trampled on.
All of these fucking scumbags are irredeemable bastards. Caesar, Viktor, Kolchak, Steele, Oswald, Hendrick/Heydrich, Churchill, "Splendidfaith", whoever the fuck is in charge of Illuminist Russia, Pope Mussolini, every single one of them is a total and irredeemable scumbag. They are all the same. Caesar is no better than Custer, Viktor no better than Steele. They're all just murderous wannabe strongmen with delusions of grandeur.
OK, I can't agree with that. Europa and Germania never did anything akin to the liquidation of Mexico- already a genocide on par with the Holocaust, and it's only the first. I've said this before, but everyone in Madness is bad but the RU is always going to be the worst.
Plus that one Grand Duke of Baden seemed like a pretty upstanding guy, turning his country into like the only democracy in the world and all
Germania is heavily coded as proto-Nazis and would definitely "immolate" Catholics if they could. They certainly engaged in ethnic cleansing. Caesar was well beyond brutal against the Catalans, oversaw a massive colonial empire (frankly I'm legitimately surprised that France somehow kept India), Viktor openly wanted to drown the non-Slavic population of Europe in their own blood, etc.
The only reason the RU looks so bad is because they've been given the chance to indulge themselves. All the savages that call themselves rulers in Europe would do the exact same thing if they had half a chance.
It's basically the world cannibalizing itself.
But be prepared: not everyone is who they may seem to be right now. I have some twists coming up that will shock you. Lol
From the OTL perspective they're all the same, but a TTL polisci student would definitely be expected to put them onto a grid. Yes they're all authoritarian but it's a system of degrees. Beutelists are bomb-throwing anarchist mobs, Illuminists introduce structure by channelling the mob through political systems, Eduists add more structure than Illuminists by using a supreme leader model over a collection of trade unions. A great leap from them is fascism which has a vast network of competing power structures in every aspect of life. I think as some sort of literal caste system Evolism is even more regimented than the fascists are. The Union is more evil but not more authoritarian from an objective textbook sense.
I mean, they certainly have had that opportunity. What happened in Germany here was something akin to the Partition but it was no Holocaust.
For the record Viktor is 100% top tier evil
AeroTheZealousOne
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Worffan is right in calling the leaders of the world irredeemable bastards. Send the ORRA after me if you will, but that is what escaping to unoccupied Ireland or even Korea is for.
Sorry to partially delve off topic, but I remember the pop culture updates from Classic, and I've been listening to more music lately and I have the perfect pictures for a 50s or 60s TV program showcasing a band either in the Republican Union or somewhere in Europe. I'm sure some fans of a certain early '90s band would recognize them:
I am sorry I ruined that for you. With the trend of things, madness!Kurt Cobain would be as bad of a human as infamous Nazi war criminal Oskar Dirlewanger. And I do not want to imagine a madness version of Fred Rogers, either. To corrupt someone of incorruptible pure pureness like him would probably ruin some people's childhoods, unless his analogue is a beacon of light in this f---ed up world.
Sorry to partially delve off topic, but I remember the pop culture updates from Classic, and I've been listening to more music lately and I have the perfect pictures for a 50s or 60s TV program showcasing a band either in the Republican Union or somewhere in Europe. I'm sure some fans of a certain early '90s band would recognize them:
I am sorry I ruined that for you. With the trend of things, madness!Kurt Cobain would be as bad of a human as infamous Nazi war criminal Oskar Dirlewanger. And I do not want to imagine a madness version of Fred Rogers, either. To corrupt someone of incorruptible pure pureness like him would probably ruin some people's childhoods, unless his analogue is a beacon of light in this f---ed up world.
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