What is a common thing or trope that always seem to happen?
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This is one of the reasons I kinda lost steam when working on Los Hijos del Pais, even when I tried to include a lot of Western stuff in it as it was. I'll try to reboot it again, but IDK when I'll be able to build it up again.
The British destroyed India's native textile industry by flooding Indian markets with cheap Lancaster cloth, thats just a vertifiable fact.
Adding to that
The Mughals were considered "proto industrial" - aka what historians call having industry before the brits did - being the world's wealthiest empire, even more so than both the Qing Dynasty and Spain after swallowing up the Americas - 25% of the world's economy with a GDP estimates by Angus Maddison to be around 90.5 billion in 1700, about 1/7 of the British Empire at the peak of it's power(including British India) in 1938(683.3 billion)
So saying India had no industries(let alone ALL of the countries colonized by the british) is extremely silly
Handwoven Indian textiles were not able to compete with machine-woven Lancaster cloth. in the late 20th century British textiles got wiped out by competition from the far east. Bangladesh and Pakistan are now major exporter of ready-to-wear textiles to the UK.
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That is true, but this was in large part due to Britains trade policy that many weavers were driven out of business(Their were no tariffs on British goods leaving the Indian textile industry completely unprotected) which would not have happened if the country hadn't been colonised and definitely screwed over Indias economic growth in the long term(Wearing Indian clothes actually became something of a political statement during the independence movement for precisely that reason). No historian I have read has denied that pretty basic fact.
Zillian
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Because this trope did also appear in my timeline when someone mentioned India would been a horrible place for a industrial revolution to start, this are two tings I take a issue at:
Why is it commonly assumed that a surviving Rome would industrialized?
- India is a horrible place to start industrial revolution
- Rome would inevitable industrializing.
Why is it commonly assumed that a surviving Rome would industrialized?
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Usually it's because of Hero's Engine ignoring all of Rome's economic conditions while highlighting anything that could prevent India from industrializing(insert *muh coal quality*) regardless of their economic conditions and own inventions, because a steampunk roman world is seen as cool while an indian one is scoffed at
Sees top two coal producing countries
Yeah if that was true than we all would be speaking Chinese or Hindi and mocking TL's that have Britain get anywhere near its OTL peak borders for being ASB.
That's not what proto-industrial means, proto industry is just a synonym for cottage industry. In other words it's farmers using their spare time to produce stuff like textiles.
Tariffs could then be applied to Indian exports like tea, opium, cotton etc.
India also imported coal from Britain from the Indian railway system.
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I mean I thinks its pretty significant that when Tarrifs and how in 1916 when tariffs were raised cotton textiles were left completely alone and this was only because Britain needed to borrow money of the Indian government, and requests to raise tariffs on it were repeteadly denied through the influence of lobbying from British cotton organisations. India also didn't really need Britains coal, today its the second largest producer of it in the world.
Los Hijos del País v4: A Philippine TL
Hey guys, so I'm rebooting this again, again. Here's the previous iteration, if y'all are interested. The main Point of Divergence is 1823, but as I wrote before, little changes have made this world a bit different from ours. Many thanks to those who encouraged me from the beginning to write...
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Here. I'll be trying to built this up again. Hopefully things go well with this reboot.
Are you replying to something here or is it a misquote?
If it is, whats up with this thread and people commenting here by accident
I'd be hesitant to try and draw conclusions from India's high modern coal production to overall ease of use and extraction. India is ramping up their coal production while most western nations are slowing theirs down. And while Indian coal is relatively good for power plants, generally being low sulphur, the high ash content does render it largely useless for coke production and thus steel making. India today has to import coke because of this problem, which accounts for ~25% of their coal consumption.
Fair point, but still. Saying India industrialising is completely impossible because of not having enough coal is at least a little presumptous considering Japan was even worse of in terms of natural resources and they industralised well enough(They were the third largest importer of coal after India).
Oh right! Sorry, also already giving it a follow!I'm just posting my Philippine TL reboot that I just mentioned.
