Unbroken Chains

From “A New Empire: The rise and fall of the Liberal Party.” Tony Benn (1981)

Chapter II
1903: The Fall of the Tories

The 1903 election, called in the midst of a war and during a party split, was one of the most one-sided in British history. Since the declaration of war in late 1902, the public had been uneasy. The Boer war only just over and the seeming lack of a great purpose were debated frequently in the commons. Many supporters of the Boer war now turned and deplored the “waste of human life”. The governmental response hardly helped. It is a popular legend that a Liberal MP said in the house “Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Prime Minister what benefit the continuation of the current war in South America will bring to the British People”, and was greeted with silence from the government benches. The first sign of trouble was when the Liberal Unionists, following the huge press and public reaction against the war, withdrew from coalition within the Conservatives. Within weeks, multiple backbench Tory MPs had formed a “Peace Coalition” with the Liberal Unionists. The final straw came with the calling of a motion of no confidence. The government was soundly defeated, and an election was called. The results were striking. The Liberals (excluding Unionists) gained 54% of the popular vote and 60% of parliamentary seats. The rump Tories, meanwhile, retained less than half their seats. However, nearly all the disloyal former Tory MPs and Unionists retained their seats. It was a heyday for independents and small parties, even Labour received double its previous share!
 
From “A New Empire: The rise and fall of the Liberal Party.” Tony Benn (1981)

Chapter II
1903: The Fall of the Tories

The 1903 election, called in the midst of a war and during a party split, was one of the most one-sided in British history. Since the declaration of war in late 1902, the public had been uneasy. The Boer war only just over and the seeming lack of a great purpose were debated frequently in the commons. Many supporters of the Boer war now turned and deplored the “waste of human life”. The governmental response hardly helped. It is a popular legend that a Liberal MP said in the house “Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Prime Minister what benefit the continuation of the current war in South America will bring to the British People”, and was greeted with silence from the government benches. The first sign of trouble was when the Liberal Unionists, following the huge press and public reaction against the war, withdrew from coalition within the Conservatives. Within weeks, multiple backbench Tory MPs had formed a “Peace Coalition” with the Liberal Unionists. The final straw came with the calling of a motion of no confidence. The government was soundly defeated, and an election was called. The results were striking. The Liberals (excluding Unionists) gained 54% of the popular vote and 60% of parliamentary seats. The rump Tories, meanwhile, retained less than half their seats. However, nearly all the disloyal former Tory MPs and Unionists retained their seats. It was a heyday for independents and small parties, even Labour received double its previous share!

Talkie Toaster

This is far more likely than a lot that has been written as the war would be deeply divisive, especially as presented. Not clear whether Britain was dragged into war unwillingly by Germany or your presuming a change in British policy. Think historically it was willing as was the US to negotiate and Germany unwilling to fight the US alone, given its other commitments. If the Tories have had a rush of blood to the head and actually, deliberately allied with Germany, even if Teddy was a bit clumbier than OTL, I would expect them to get quickly shaken out of the stupidity.

The other down side for the allies is how are France and Russia reacting. Could be making approaches for alliances or more likely sitting back quietly and waiting for Germany especially to over-extend itself.

Canada would definitely put up a markedly harder fight than you suggest, especially against the small American army, which will be able to send only relatively few forces northwards. I could see them 'officially' occupying parts of the prairies but real success in BC is pretty unlikely. It would need the US to start moblishing a lot more of its population, which would take times and especially if the Germans are shelling and raiding targets in the south the southern politicans will be fully supporting their voters calls for troops in the south. American can put together a formidable military machine but it will take a lot of time. If they do try what your suggesting then their likely to lose the bulk of their small proffessional force very quickly attacking defending positions manned by greater strength of forces. As someone said this is just after the Boer War. Too early really for lessons learnt to be incorporated into formal training but a lot of veterans . A good number of them are Canadians and whatever the population and politicians in Britain think about the Tories stumbling into this conflict once the US attacks Canada they will fight.

One other thing. There was mention of the difficulties of logistics for oil fueled ships. Actually, apart from a few of the smaller, newer ships their still all coal powered. Dreadnought, the 1st oil fueled capital ship is a couple of years from being laid down and other powers, for various reasons were fairly slow to follow Britain along this path.

Depending on how stable the alliance is as its existance at this point is rather ASB, and whether any European powers for some reason or another helps the US it will lose. Its population is about the same size as Germany's at this point but far more spread out and lacking in the experience and equipment for building and operating mass armies, especially against the most formidable military system of the day. Adding in the British empire and quite possibly Japan and the US loses. Might not be defined as a win for the allies as it could well be expensive, even if they are mad enough to get involved in trying to occupy large areas of the US for extended periods of time, although that's highly unlikely. However the US can't win barring ASB level intervention without large scale European conflict. US v Germany at this point might be a bloody slogging match with I suspect both side losing and every other power being quietly happy but the odds are just too much against the US here.

Steve
 
One other thing. There was mention of the difficulties of logistics for oil fueled ships. Actually, apart from a few of the smaller, newer ships their still all coal powered. Dreadnought, the 1st oil fueled capital ship is a couple of years from being laid down and other powers, for various reasons were fairly slow to follow Britain along this path.
I often think about Britian controll of all the little Islands [St Helena, Diego Garcia, etc] around the world as Coaling Stations did a lot to allow the British Hyperpower in this period,
As all the US Airbases around the Globe allow the US to be a Hyper power today.
 

mowque

Banned
The Rising Sun


The winter of 1902-1903 was not a good one for the United States. The war had gone badly from the start. Over a dozen ships had been sunk in the Atlantic and the rest had quickly headed toward port. The Royal Navy and High Seas Fleet owned the waves and they took full advantage of it. Landings in the Bahamas and Venezuela (the former by Britain and the later by German troops) were successful and America was on the defense. While the German fleet pushed forward to shell Southern cities like Miami and Mobile the Royal Navy hung back. Despite it all, London wanted to keep the war as low key as possible. Also, much of the fleet was concentrated in the North Atlantic, to keep American ships from interfering with supplies bound for Canada. This was an over exaggerated fear as America was hardly capable of coherent action, let alone a grand naval blow. To put it simply, they were outclassed.


In Canada the news was only slightly better. Some gains were being made in the West of Canada, but who cared about such great wastes. In the East disaster followed blunder and the average American had a ill view of the war so far. Little did they know another, even more crucial blow, was about to fall.


America had just started to step into the Asian sphere, and it was thought by many that this century would be the opening of China and Asia. The Philippines were in American hands and most Americans back home saw this as a great movement west, in grand tradition. The locals didn't agree. Open revolt had been burning on the islands for decades and had only recently been pushed into the background. As the war in North America heated up, fears of British or Japanese involvement in the Far East became a acute but those voices were drowned out in calls for troops at home.


Soon, ships and men (the best of both) were pulled from their stations and sent to West Canada, to aid in conquering that vast land. Week by week the Philippines became weaker and many there feared the worst. The natives had become strangely quiet and rumors raged. Taft, American Governor in charge, did his best to keep the defenses up but he knew he was doomed if Japan would move.


It has been long debated weather Japan was coaxed into invasion by Britain or made the move itself, after seeing how beleaguered America was. Either way, America was ill-prepared to counter the blow. Britain supported the invasion of the Philippines with a few vessels in its Far East Squadron. While this fleet was small at the time, and ill-trained, its presence showed the extent of British power. These ships, combined with the formidable Japanese navy quickly gained naval access to the Philippines. The invasion was swift and effective. The Japanese had promised much to the Filipino natives and had been in contact for months. While most native fighters viewed the Japanese poorly, many thought that much power could be grabbed in the confusion of an invasion. In any case, with Japanese troops landings in the thousands, British guns guarding escape routes and Filipino rebels in the hills, most American troops surrendered quickly.


Deaths were surprisingly few, excepting the shelling of cities such as Manila. Indeed, Howard Taft himself was one of the causalities and he was one of the few Americans the Filipinos mourned. Despite this loss, American papers tried to hush this great defeat. Little was mentioned of the British ships present, or American troops surrendering in the thousands.


Despite this, the invasion made many things clear. For one, America was not longer an Asian power, and japan had taken its place. Second, Britain herself became wary of their new 'pet', as Japan had shown far more competence then had been expected of her in the invasion. In any case, thing looked grim indeed for the USA.
 

mowque

Banned
A New Dawn


1903 was shaping up to be a bad year of President Roosevelt. The war was going badly and only seemed to be going worse. In the East the Philippines had fallen to Japanese ground troops and the American Pacific fleet was being savaged by joint Anglo-Japanese attacks. Many feared an invasion of Hawaii and rumors of a landing in California were widespread. While the limited attacks in western Canada had born fruit, conquering a vast empty wilderness did little to calm the public, especially after the brutal attacks from the press over the bungling of east Canada. With TR constantly intervening the attacks across the Great Lakes had been a disaster in every way and had damaged what remained of the America military.
To the south, the Bahamas had fallen to British landings, while Venezuela was under the German boots. The German landings had went off smoothly inspiring many in the German High Command to consider more amphibious landings. Many Southern cities had been shelling and the American fleet was either sunk or hiding in port. The American tactic of trying to harass the German-British supply lines had failed due to the sheer number of British escorts and a system of primitive convoying (which the Germans scorned).
Still, some hope remained, although the press and the average person was likely to see otherwise. Due to the loss of west Canada, and the unpopularity of the war back home, by early summer Britain had begun peace talks and were hoping to make a private deal. TR hoped that when Britain pulled out, it would change everything. Still even now progress was made. Massive amounts of government hired 'workingmen' swarmed over war damage in the South, putting out fires, re-running water pipes, rebuilding whole blocks. Roosevelt pushed for these massive apportions of funds through a mostly stunned Congress.
Thousands of troops were hastily trained and sent to the fronts. While the training was poor, their numbers were huge as volunteers from the heady days of the start of the war were finally processed and sent to fight. Massive amounts of troops were sent to patrol the entire Gulf Coast, men that would (in hindsight have been badly needed elsewhere). Many 'armchair' generals commented that the massive home defense forces were responsible for the loss of the Bahamas and the failure of taking east Canada. Still, despite this, many soldiers had been left in Cuba, and more were filtered in through blockade runners and massive convoys. Many American ships were building in ports, and with the vision of the Royal Navy leaving the war on the horizon, many American admirals were ready to regain their honor on the high seas.
In July, the Treaty of Lisbon was signed, which ended the hostilities between America and Britain. The treaty accepted all lands taken by force of arms during the war. So, west Canada changed hands,and the Bahamas. Japan also has involved but their negotiations were dragging on, in regards to the massive numbers of POWs in the Philippines. Still, all fighting had stopped between any Anglo-Japanese forces and American ones. The treaty was celebrated in the streets as American began to focus grimly on Germany.
As soon as the Royal Navy left the seas, the balance of power abruptly changed. With the removal of all the British destroyers and escorts, the German supply lines were left vulnerable. Ships from ports are varied as New York, Norfolk and Puerto Rico began to disgorge American ships. Soon the German High Seas Fleet found itself in trouble. Accustomed to having British help, they found themselves unprepared for the widespread fleet actions. Every attempt by German admirals to have a 'decisive battle' failed as American skippers avoided pitched battles.




The Last Blow


It soon became clear to the Berlin High Command that the war could not be 'won' in the current fashion. With each passing day the American's grew stronger and more numerous. While they were strongly entrenched in Venezuela it was feared that eventually America would land and free it. At sea the High Seas Fleet was suffering from over-work, short supplies, and illness from operating in a unfamiliar tropical environment. As these distressing reports came in, it became clear a change of strategy was needed if Germany wanted to humble America fully and emerge from the war untarnished by Britain bolting. It was in this atmosphere that a new plan was developed.
Mainly constructed by Ludendorff , who had always been a moderate toward the war, the new plan called for a massive blow against the USA. This thinking arose from the idea that if American had a huge setback the populace would end the war. Knowing that anti-war sentiment ran high, German leaders hoped to use democracy against America and use voter dissatisfaction to their advantage. Hoping that a massive victory would cement their 'victory' the Germans began planning for a great battle. Still, their options were limited.
No naval battle would have the scale necessary, and didn't have the same guarantee of victory. As fall went on, American ships grew more daring and rumors of American submarines filled wardrooms and command rooms alike. This fear, combined with a steadily degrading naval arm, led Germany away from a strictly naval approach.
A land invasion was seen as the only option but few places presented themselves. Further action in South America was considered (mainly Columbia) but it contained few American forces and its lack of transportation infrastructure hindered any decisive campaigns. One idea that was considered was a land invasion of the American homeland. This idea never went much farther then wishful thinking. No move would more unite the American people behind the war, and the logistics of any sustained assault were horrifying. With harried supply lines, an increasingly sophisticated enemy, and confused high level planning, any amphibious assault on America was ruled out.
Ludendorff is credited with formulating the plan that was eventually carried out. Sensing that he had no other options, he proposed a massive attack against Cuba. The island was a keystone in American defense. Havana held many American ships, and the island held thousands of American troops. But most crucially Germany held command of the sea around it, therefore controlling any lines of retreat for the Americans. Any victory would be decisive and absolute.
 

mowque

Banned
Here is more, things will pick up with more speed and detail in 1908....



Havana or Bust



The “Cuban Operation” began with a huge buildup of supplies and ships. Men were gathered from all over Venezuela to designated ports for loading. Despite the size and scale of the logistics the Germans did their very best to keep the operation a secret from the Americans. They did a surprisingly good job for all the technical and geographic handicaps they operated under. Indeed, Washington was plauged by a constantly blank idea of enemy plans.


No leaks informed Washington although process of elimination helped narrow it down. Most counted out an invasion of the mainland. Who would try something that crazy? Columbia was picked as the most likely target but it was hard to re-enforce. Still, as German ships were gathered together near Venezuela, blockade runners and small convoys had more luck. Troops were rushed to Columbia, Puerto Rico and Cuba. Cuba was second in priority and much entrenching was done, re-enforcing the old Spanish garrisons. With thousands of fresh troops pouring into Cuba, and American ships began to pressure the (now reduced) Atlantic supply lines Germany was rolling the dice on this last operation.


In late October of 1903, they struck as hard as they could. German ships placed a strict blockade all around the island, hoping to cut off all re-enforcements and retreats. While the High Seas Fleet was able to blockade, it gave up strength everywhere else and began to pay for it as American ships began cutting the Atlantic supply lines, shell Venezuela and even land troops in Columbia. Still, these were all secondary to the huge operation in Cuba.


Thousands of troops were landed on landing sites. Only two had been selected, both on the south side of the island, to be closer to Venezuela depots. Still, despite picking the landings out with great care, problems began to pop up as soon as troops began landing. While American troops were limited in the area they fought tenaciously, slowly everyone down. And most German commanders felt that many more were on the way.
Thousands of men, untrained in seaborne landings caused chaos behind German lines. Supplies began to stack up on the beach as orders were lost, re-written or ignored. Men were ordered from one beach to another as they frantically tried to keep up with the stringent and aggressive orders from Berlin. Still, the fighting quality of the Germans shone through and they managed to take and hold beachheads. Aggressively attacking into dense forest and wetlands, they pursed America troops wherever they went and lugged heavy artillery through heavy underbrush.


Busted By God!



Despite this super human efforts however, the assault began to bog down. Supplies grew scarier and scarier as American resistance grew more formidable as re-enforcements were brought up. Tropical disease and unaccustomed heat took their heavy toll. After nearly two weeks of success, Germans troops had finally reached their limit. German ships were weary and worn after spending so much time at sea, constantly on the lookout for the numerous American ships.


American skipper became famous in papers as they 'ran' the German blockade, laying mines next to German beaches or bringing in supplies and men to the fighting forces. Far out in the Atlantic American ships had finally become numerous enough to attack German ships in full engagements and while most actually ended in German victories, the small but constant strain was wearing the German fleet out.


As this dismal naval news reached Berlin in mid-November another, even more strategic piece news hit the papers. America and Japan had finally worked a treaty and the war in the Pacific was over! Dozens of fresh ships and thousands of men would soon be pouring into the last theater of war against the weary Germans. This grim news filled the hearts and minds of the men on Cuba and the already low morale plunged deeper as German troops were pushed back, now into shrinking beachheads.


For the first time, America was behind the war. TR, ever quick to gauge opinion began campaigning with “The War is Won” everywhere, beginning to eye the election year of 1904. Anti war figures like Eugene V. Debs and William Jennings Byran were pushed from the limelight for a period of time. With support behind him, a army growing more competent by the day and an aggressive Navy, Roosevelt found himself quite satisfied with the way thing were. Still, the war should be ended soon, while the current mood lasted, and the Germans were desperate for terms.
 
Guys

Two points:

a) I can't see either Britain or Canada accepting the conquest and annexation of so much of Canada. Both because the war is going pretty well for them and the fear that allowing American aggression to pay off will invite them to lauch further attacks later on. Not to mention the fact the US has attack 1st Britain and then Canada when national sentiment is high would make public opinion determined to exert punishment on the US, at least unless the war was proving to be a lot costlier than it has been.

b) Why would Britain attack the Bahamas? They are a British possession before the war.

This scenario started off with some interesting ideas, despite some rather wild assumptions but its now diverging well into fantasy.

Steve

PS - Checking back a cock-up by me as well.:eek: I mention in an earlier post that Dreadnought was the 1st oil fueled large ship. Obviously feeling my age. It was the 1st large turbine driven ship. The 1st oil fueled capital ships were the Queen Elizebeth's being completed as WWI started.
 
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mowque

Banned
Guys

Two points:

a) I can't see either Britain or Canada accepting the conquest and annexation of so much of Canada. Both because the war is going pretty well for them and the fear that allowing American aggression to pay off will invite them to lauch further attacks later on. Not to mention the fact the US has attack 1st Britain and then Canada when national sentiment is high would make public opinion determined to exert punishment on the US, at least unless the war was proving to be a lot costlier than it has been.

b) Why would Britain attack the Bahamas? They are a British possession before the war.

This scenario started off with some interesting ideas, despite some rather wild assumptions but its now diverging well into fantasy.

Steve

1 is opinion so I'll let that pass.
and 2....wow, now I look like an idiot.
 

Markus

Banned
So Germany, Japan and England go to war. Japan and England leave and Germany fights on. That would be absurd. More absurd is England and Germany suddenly stopping being naval rivals. But by far the worst ommission is ignoring the French-Russian alliance. The French wanted revenge for 1871, so in case Germany attacks the USA, the French will be on the US-side bringing the Russians with them. And this is precisely the reason why Germany would not try such a nonsense in the first place.

By the way, since when did Germany have a powerful Navy in 1902? I see four Brandenburgs and five Kaiser Friedrichs with fewer smaller(!) guns. Three of the equally unimpressive Wittlesbachs are about to be commissioned. The US has three Indianas and Illinois each and two Kearsages. Same size and speed, but armed with much bigger guns.

edit: Erich Ludendorffwas a recently promoted Major in 02, he did not make Col. before 11.
 
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mowque

Banned
Work is still under way, and massive writing is being done. For all those who make fun of us....You'll like the next stuff even better!:p
 
Ths is interesting to say the least, I take it the Americans are feeling frisky? Also the British would gather every availible man and gun from every corner of the Empire to drive the Americans out of Canada, they would build up for months on end just to have enough to push the Americans out just as the Americans are would bring up every availible man and gun to hold the line in fact the battle that would follow after months and months perhapse even a years worth of build up would be epic.
 
With Britain and Germany allied, why wouldn't the British ask for a contingent of the German army to help defend Canada? After all:

  • The German army is reputedly the best in the world (and the Germ,ans believe this without reservation).
  • Germany should be able to spare an Army Corps (2 Divisions + support) without much trouble.
  • Britain can point out "Look, we are the primary naval half of this partnership, so we're carrying a lot of the weight navally (supply convoys, escorts, allowing you access to our coaling stations etc), but you, the primary Land partner are doing very little in the main theatre of land conflict. Pull your weight, or we'll pull the plug and seek peace and you can fight on alone."
A German corps to throw at the US forces in the west can make a big difference.
 
It would ecome hard for anyone to trust the brits after that.

The brits wouldn´t give upp a fight so easely, just as in WW1 and WW2, especially as they wheren´t really loosing in this scenario. The US would face a shortage of salpetre because of the blockade, then the british would be able to take territories back in Canada.
 

mowque

Banned
It would ecome hard for anyone to trust the brits after that.

The brits wouldn´t give upp a fight so easely, just as in WW1 and WW2, especially as they wheren´t really loosing in this scenario. The US would face a shortage of salpetre because of the blockade, then the british would be able to take territories back in Canada.

It isn't as simple as "Ok, we ran out of saltpeter. I guess we give up." America is too large and self-sufficient to blockade. Is it worth fighting a long and economically damnaging war for somethign as empty as West Canada? Rember, brtian didn't want the war.

Also, in my defense, the POD is merely an excuse to get to the good stuff.
 
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