The world of Harry Turtledove's "Ready for the Fatherland"

[Zoidberg12]

This is a thread meant to discuss the world of Harry Turtledove's short story "Ready for the Fatherland." In the world of this story, Adolf Hitler was killed by Erich von Manstein on February 19, 1943, leading to Manstein becoming leader of Germany, making a separate peace with the USSR and WWII becoming a stalemate between the Western Allies and Germany. Afterwards, the Western Allies and the USSR defeat Japan and a three-way Cold War ensues between the democratic world led by the United States of America, the fascist world led by the German Reich and the communist world led by the Soviet Union.

To start things off, here is a map of the world in 1979, the year when the short story takes place. This map was based on some other maps people made of the world of the same short story. Much of the map is speculation.

 

[cortz#9]

I barely remember that story, weren't some British commandos sent to an Eastern European country to meet with some partisans?
I don't remember how the story ended, it wasn't a happy ending IIRC.

 

[PobreCesar]

it wasn't a happy ending IIRC.

Well it was happy for someone, just not the partisan

Much of the map is speculation.

Fair enough but how did Cambodia, Laos, and Northern Vietnam get into the Soviet sphere here?

 

[Zoidberg12]

Heres a list of global alliances;

Democratic Treaty Organization (DTO)

United States of America
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Canada
Kingdom of Italy (known informally as Sicily)
Federation of Iceland and the Faroe Islands
Commonwealth of Australia
New Zealand
Republic of Ireland
United Mexican States
Republic of Cuba
Dominican Republic
Free French (hq'd in exile in French Guiana)
Kingdom of the Netherlands (hq'd in exile in Suriname)
Kingdom of Denmark (hq'd in exile in Denmark)
Republic of Japan (known informally as South Japan)
Republic of Korea (known informally as South Korea)
Republic of the Philippines
Republic of Vietnam (known informally as South Vietnam)
Sublime State of Iran (known informally as South Iran)
Dominion of Ceylon
Republic of the Ivory Coast

Other DTO Allies:

Federative Republic of Brazil and most other democratic Latin American countries
Republic of China
Republic of Indonesia
Kingdom of Thailand
Republic of Pakistan
Confederation of Israel and Palestine
Kingdom of Jordan
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and other Arabian monarchies
Republic of Yemen
Kingdom of Morocco
Republic of Liberia
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Republic of Katangaland
Republic of Somaliland
Republic of Senegal
Republic of Botswana

European Confederation (EC)

Greater German Reich
French State
Italian Social Republic
Dutch Rijk (known informally as Dutchland or Dietsland in Dutch)
Norwegian Rike
Kingdom of Denmark
Polish National Republic (under German military occupation)
Czech State of Bohemia and Moravia (under German military occupation)
Slovak Republic (under German military occupation)
Spanish State
Portuguese Republic
Republic of Finland
Kingdom of Hungary
Kingdom of Romania
Independent State of Croatia
Serbian Republic of National Salvation (under German military occupation)
Tsardom of Bulgaria
Hellenic State
Lithuanian Republic (under German military occupation)
Latvian Republic (under German military occupation)
Estonian Republic (under German military occupation)
Kingdom of Montenegro
Kingdom of Albania

Other EC Allies:

Republic of South Africa
Republic of Rhodesia
Republic of Turkey
Syrian Arab Republic
Republic of Iraq
Arab Republic of Egypt
Argentine Republic
Republic of Chile
Oriental Republic of Uruguay
Republic of Paraguay

Comintern (CMT)

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Mongolian People's Republic
East Turkestan Peoples Republic
Japanese Socialist Republic (known informally as North Japan)
Korean Democratic People Republic (known informally as North Korea)
Iranian Socialist Peoples Republic (known informally as North Iran)
Socialist Republic of Vietnam (known informally as North Vietnam)
Lao People's Democratic Republic
Khmer Republic
Democratic Republic of Afghanistan
Ethiopia
Somali Democratic Republic
People's Republic of Benin
Congolese People's Republic
People's Democratic Republic of Yemen

Other Comintern Allies:

Republic of Ghana
Republic of Algeria
Republic of Mali
Republic of Guinea
Republic of Madagascar

Important Neutral Nations

Republic of India
Kingdom of Sweden
Swiss Confederation
Republic of Lebanon

 

[Zoidberg12]

List of Olympics from 1948 to 2020

Winter 1948: St. Moritz, Switzerland
Official Opening: President Enrico Celio

Summer, 1948: London, United Kingdom
Official Opening: King George IV

Winter 1952: Innsbruck, Germany
Official Opening: Großmarschall Erich von Manstien

Summer 1952: Helsinki, Finland
Official Opening: President Juho Kusti Paasikivi

Winter 1952: Lake Placid, New York, United States of America
Official Opening: Governor W. Averell Harriman

Summer, 1956: Budapest, Hungary
Official Opening: King Otto II

Winter, 1960: Oslo, Norway
Official Opening: Minister President Per Borten

Summer 1960: Melbourne, Australia
Official Opening: Prime Minister Robert Menzies

Winter, 1964: Squaw Valley, California, United States of America
Official Opening: Governor Pat Brown

Summer, 1964: Rome, Italy
Official Opening: Duce Galeazzo Ciano

Winter, 1968: Vancouver, Canada
Official Opening: Premier W.A.C Bennett

Summer, 1968: Madrid, Spain
Official Opening: Caudillo Francisco Franco

Winter, 1972: Grenoble, France
Official Opening: Chef Edmond Jouhaud

Summer, 1972: Mexico City, Mexico
Official Opening: President Luis Echeverría

Winter, 1976: Salt Lake City, Utah, United States of America
Official Opening: President George McGovern

Summer, 1976: Moscow, USSR
Official Opening: Premier Alexei Kosygin

Winter, 1980: Sarajevo, Croatia
Official Opening: Poglavnik Andrija Artuković

Summer, 1980: Los Angeles, California, United States of America
Official Opening: President Robert Dole

Winter, 1984: Cortina d'Ampezzo, Italy
Official Opening: President Amintore Fanfani

Summer, 1984: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Official Opening: Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau

Winter, 1986: Östersund, Sweden
Official Opening: King Carl XVI Gustaf

Summer, 1988: Beijing, China
Official Opening: President Yen Chia-kan

Winter, 1990: Sofia, Bulgaria
Official Opening: Tsar Simeon II

Summer, 1992: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Official Opening: President Carlos Menem

Winter, 1994: Nagano, Japan
Official Opening: President Takeo Fukuda

Summer, 1996: Athens, Greece
Official Opening: President Konstantinos Karamanlis

Winter, 1998: Jaca, Spain
Official Opening: King Juan Carlos I

Summer, 2000: Istanbul, Turkey
Official Opening: President Süleyman Demirel

Winter, 2002: Aosta, Kingdom of Italy
Official Opening: Prime Minister Carlo Azeglio Ciampi

Summer, 2004: Tokyo, Japan
Official Opening: President Tomiichi Murayama

Winter, 2006: Sion, Switzerland
Official Opening: President Moritz Leuenberger

Summer, 2008: Paris, France
Official Opening: President Jacques Chirac

Winter, 2010: Pyeongchang, Korea
Official Opening: President Ban Ki-moon

Summer, 2012: Amsterdam, Netherlands
Official Opening: Queen Beatrice

Winter, 2014: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Official Opening: Premier Ed Stelmach

Summer, 2016: Chicago, United States of America
Official Opening: President Albert Gore

Winter, 2018: Annecy, France
Official Opening: President Jean-Luc Mélenchon

Summer, 2020: Cape Town, South Africa
Official Opening: President Mmusi Maimane

Future Hosts:

Winter, 2022: Zakopane, Poland
Summer, 2024: Rio de Janiero, Brazil
Winter, 2026: Poprad-Tatry, Slovakia
Summer, 2028: Moscow, Russia

 

[Deleted member 2186]

Heres a list of global alliances;

Democratic Treaty Organization (DTO)

Kingdom of Denmark (hq'd in exile in Denmark)

How is that possible.

 

[Zoidberg12]

How is that possible.

Good point, considering that the Danish government never officially went into exile. I'll fix that right now.

 

[Resurgam]

In the world of this story, Adolf Hitler was killed by Erich von Manstein on February 19, 1943, leading to Manstein becoming leader of Germany

Is this "onscreen" or does someone just say what happened?

 

[cortz#9]

Is this "onscreen" or does someone just say what happened?

Spoiler
The story starts with Hitler and Manstein having a meeting and Hitler insults Manstein one too many times and Manstein blows Hitler away with his Luger.

 

[Resurgam]

The story starts with Hitler and Manstein having a meeting and Hitler insults Manstein one too many times and Manstein blows Hitler away with his Luger.

And his security is... where?

 

[cortz#9]

And his security is... where?

It isn't mentioned but good question.
Erich Hartmann in his biography mentions that prior to the July 1944 Valkyrie plot , a German officer could meet with the Führer and keep his sidearm.

 

[PobreCesar]

prior to the July 1944 Valkyrie plot , a German officer could meet with the Führer and keep his sidearm

Reality is stranger than fiction sometimes. And on this website and in this genre, that's saying something.

 

[PobreCesar]

Republic of India

How are their relations with China and the USSR?

South Japan

South Korea

South Vietnam

South Iran

I almost sense a pattern here /s

 

[MaxGerke01]

Who is King George IV or is suppose to be George VI ? Also why no US President opening the games in the US in 1952 and 1964 ? Also did the Soviets and their allies participate in the 1952 games as they couldnt have been very happy with either location.