What about a mix of the two?
That might be the best bet. Something like the uniforms of the North Dakota State Troopers:
What about a mix of the two?
That was excellent.I cracked myself up writing some of that dialogue.
That was excellent.
That’s basically what a true Redux of 1.0 would’ve look like, complete with the Great North American War.Here's a writeup for an alternate Madnessverse I thought of over the long run of the TL. Also, crude mapchart.net maps.
POD: The Cuba War never happens. The French and Southrons come together to try and hash things out between Virginia and Carolina. France "suggests" that to keep the peace, Maryland, the smallest of the Southron nations, takes Cuba. This creates a relative balance of power between the Southron nations. Also, the Marylanders will give the rest of the Southrons basing rights and some other privileges to keep everyone happy. Somewhat after this, the Southrons all participate in the Louisiana purchase, leaving the Yankees high and dry. The Yankees continue to stew in their anger, and also copulate like rabbits, putting them on the verge of overpopulation by the Great War. Lincoln still comes to power, banning Christmas and whatnot, but his Administration is more remembered for building up the country. The Second Sons cling to power, leaving America a basically one party state, but with more elections. This smaller Yankeeland doesn't feel as threatening to Canada, which will bite them in the ass later.
Meanwhile, the Southrons (minus Maryland) all push west. Virginia wins out by far, and the Stars and Bars fly from sea to shining sea. Carolina does ok for itself, but basically gets stopped at the OTL Midwest. The Georgians just barely got beat by Virginia to the sea, and actually fought a vicious border war over it. They're unhappy, to say the least. Texas joins the club of Southron nations, and over the years has taken quite a nasty bite out of Mexico.
The Great War starts on schedule for about the same reasons. Europa does better in some ways, worse in others. On the one hand, they retain footholds in both the Americas. On the other hand, they succumb to an even worse case of flu, and the economy gives out under the strain of it all. Making matters worse, the Yankees, bottled up into New England, Indiana, Michigan, and Wisconsin, overran Canada under the Presidency of Theodore Roosevelt. Colonial revolts make things hellish as well. Portugal rebelled against French imperialism during the war, and the country was forcibly integrated into Iberia. In the aftermath, the Europans decide to sell portions of their empire to stop the nation from plunging into bankruptcy. The buyers wind up being the Southrons, who remained neutral during the war as Europan strong-arming in favor of abolition soured the relationship between the two sides of the Atlantic. Georgia picks up Hispaniola (renamed to South Georgia) and former Portuguese Angola (renamed Baldwin after Georgia Founding Father Abraham Baldwin). Carolina completes its African drive to the sea by picking up Mozambique. Texas nabs Madagascar. That brings us up to 1920 within the TL, roughly. The Cokies do get involved in an Embassy Massacre style intervention, this time in Russia proper. For their part, the Texans deal with a similar issue in Eduist Brazil. Now, let's evaluate North America. More will be coming in another post!
The Republican Union: The Republican Union is high on victory. After years of being bottled up into New England, plus a few extra territories, they have the whole of Canada. President Roosevelt has been in office for some 30 years, and given his age could last another decade or two. The Yankees have nearly wrapped up the Immolation/Cleansing of Keybeck, and Yankee settlers have moved en masse to sparsely populated Canada, relieving population pressure on the main part of Yankeeland and causing an explosion in economic growth. Work on the Destiny Road has just begun with the aim of connecting this vast new empire. Autos were invented by a Virginian ITTL, but the Yankees under their own Colonel Ford have built a thriving auto industry. Spiritual Marxism is only just now rising and may or may not survive, given Roosevelt's skepticism. ORRA does not exist, but the Minutemen do, and they serve a similar function. There is no Sweet Victory, as the Yankees don't have consistent access to cocaine. Instead a Boogie style capsule and copiously caffeinated regular soft drinks are the rage. Now, the Yankee war machine has its hungry eyes on Virginia and Maryland, but might not be capable of beating them if Georgia, Carolina, and Texas come to their aid.
The Republic of Maryland: Maryland is in a similar spot to the Maryland of regular Madnessverse before the GAW, being terrified of the Yankee menace. Aside from this, Maryland has taken an interesting course of political development. Ironically, under their Faith and Freedom party, who took over after a massive recession in the 1880's, Marylanders are almost as anti-Protestant as the Yankees are anti-Catholic. Aside from this, Maryland is ardently white supremacist, but their definition of white is very broad, and includes quite a few Hispanics. After getting Emancipation thrust upon them by France, the Marylanders basically deported all their former slaves to the Yankee North. There is no way in which this could cause them problems in the future. After the Great War they buried the hatchet with France, and are now allied to both Europa and Virginia. Culturally, there are strong Hispanic and Southern European influences in Maryland, as Spanish, Portuguese, and Italians have immigrated in waves to the nation, but the nation also borrows much from their Virginian neighbors and benefactors.
The Republic of Virginia: Virginia is the most powerful nation on the North American continent, and the Empire of Liberty stretches from sea to shining sea. After the Louisiana Purchase, they spread west with vigor, keeping the Yankees contained to Illinois and Wisconsin. There was no small amount of fighting involved, but the Yankees were still unprepared for violence on that scale with the invigorated Virginians. Virginia saw massive waves of immigration from Britain, Ireland, France, Italy, Spain, Greece, and Czechia, creating something of a "mutt" state not dissimilar to OTL's America. Politically, Virginia is still a democracy, although tending towards a military-planter oligarchy in practice. Virginia is a white supremacist state, and after Emancipation all the former slaves were dumped into the "Free Negro Territory of Monroe" located in the northern half of OTL Minnesota. The Territory does not have representation in the House of Burgess, although it is fairly self-governing. In the 1890's Virginia annexed Panama, renamed Jefferson, and built TTL's Panama Canal. Jefferson City (Panama City) is TTL's Hollywood, as Virginia is one of the cultural powerhouses of the world. The Virginians are also the ones to embrace cocaine sodas and candies ITTL, branded Jimmy's Cola. Virginian culture is heavily Anglo-Celtic, with dashes of Southern European influence. Right now they're going through a *Roaring Twenties phase. Religiously, there is a tolerance for all Christian faiths, but not others. Virginia too is building a highway system, dubbed the Liberty Route System.
The Confederation of the Carolinas: The Carolinas are the most ethnically homogeneous of the Southron nations. Given the fact that the Cokies expanded more slowly than the other powers, and didn't have a huge draw like Cuba, they have attracted little immigration, although in more recent years about 650,000 Scotch and Ulster Scotch refugees were received with open arms. As a result, Carolina is still a very proudly and belligerently Presbyterian Scotch-Irish nation like in Madnessverse. The Jacksonians still run the show as what is essentially an elective one party state. Chancellor Jackson is still revered as the Father of the Nation ITTL, and Polk is seen as the man who won Carolina her western territories. Carolina has developed a strong streak of defensive, semi-isolationist nationalism, mainly as a result of being stuck between the imperial rivals of Virginia and Georgia. To compensate for their relative lack of territory on the continent, Carolina has colonized Africa more aggressively than any other Southron nation, and have taken a vast swath of the southern portion of the continent stretching from the Atlantic to the Indian Ocean. Partly as a function of this, the Cokies dumped all their freed slaves in their new colonies. Carolina is quite conservative culturally, looking on the wildness of Virginia with disgust. Non-cocainated Cokie-Cola is the nation's favorite soda, and gaining popularity in Europe. The Cokie interstate system is called, imaginatively, the Carolinian Highway System.
The Republic of Georgia: Georgia is one nasty piece of work ITTL. After just barely losing the Race to the West with Virginia, and after being denied right of access by Carolina so they could fight a proper war with Virginia, Georgia deteriorated into a dictatorship that is awfully reminiscent of Fascist Yankeeland. After losing their bloody border war in the West, the New Liberty Party arose promising national rejuvenation. The government was replaced with a full on dictatorship in the 1880s, complete with a secret police dubbed Liberty's Torchmen. The Georgians are rabidly building for the day that they will punish the Cokies and Virginians for their evil, un-Christian ways, and possibly destroy the Union too. Despite this vitriolic nationalism, the Georgians actually get along well with the Texans and French, with whom they have no quarrel. Religiously, Georgia is also not as oppressive as its Yankee counterparts. If anything, Georgia actually has a large Slavic population, mainly Ukrainians and Russians fleeing war and poverty, and the Orthodox Church is notorious for its support of the NLP. Culturally, Georgia is even more conservative than Carolina, possibly closer to regressive. The issue of the freed slaves is... unfortunate. Although many Afro-Georgians are now being dumped off into Georgian Angola, many more seem to have just... disappeared. The Georgian government refuses to answer questions on the matter. On a less genocidal note, the Georgians are joining in the general highway building craze with the Freedom Thoroughfare System
The Republic of Texas: Texas is the strangest and wildest of the Southron nations. Born of the wildness of the Race for the West, that violent, law-breaking, acquisitive spirit was the foundation of the Texan national character. Texas is a mixture of Anglo cowboys and Criollo adventurers, creating an interesting mixture of cultures, but one that has a rootin tootin freebootin spirit as the glue of the nation. The Texan government, based in San Antonio, is a democracy that is dominated by cattle barons, and nowadays, oil companies. The government has a strong authoritarian streak, mainly when people question the power of the wealthy. However, in general Texas more closely resembles a racist ancap state with strong imperialist urges. People freely duel in the streets over matters of honor. While most duels are between men, it isn't unusual to see women engage in gunplay. Polygamy is legal, and the current Texan Commander-in-Chief Jimmy Hughes famously has 14 wives. Drug laws are the same as Yankeeland's, and the country consumes more drugs per capita than any other nation on Earth. The country has expanded twice at the expense of Mexico, and is planning to go for a threepeat. Culturally the nation is more Anglo due to the power of Anglo settlers, but there are still strong Hispanic influences. Texas attracts immigrants from all over the world who are attracted to the nation's wild ways. In Drakeville, Arizona (OTL Phoenix) a movie industry has begun to arise which focuses predominantly on "Texans" (Westerns).
Kingdom of California: The Kingdom of California is basically unchanged from mainline Madness. However, the country's main fear ITTL is Southron expansionism, not Yankee, although the Yankees have jumped to second place after what they did to Canada. More specifically, California is worried about Texas, the region's wild card. Although Texas mainly seems concerned with kicking the shit out of Mexico, they've also been eagerly eyeing up California. Given the ongoing struggles of the Bonaparte World System, if Texas put its mind to it, they could probably at least annex part of the Kingdom.
Mexico: After the fall of the Mad Emperor, Mexico did retain control of most of OTL Mexico and Central America. Unfortunately, given the nation's relatively low population to OTL and habit of engaging in violent political struggles, it's been a convenient target for Southron imperialism. Texas, Georgia, and Virginia have all carved off pieces, and there are fears of an Africa-esque scramble for the remains of the country now that Southron imperialism has lost all other easy outlets.
United Republic of Central America: The URCA is a product of Georgian neo-colonialism. While technically an independent nation, the URCA is essentially forced to bow to Georgia on all foreign policy decisions, and allows Georgian companies to abuse the people. The nation is a one party dictatorship run by the local white elites, and revolts are put down by a combination of the military, mercenaries, and if things are really bad, the Georgians.
Russian Alaska: About the same as Madness. Next up on the Yankee shit list, and given how overextended Russia is compared to Yankeeland, and the fact that they haven't fully recovered from their civil war, it could be fairly easy pickings.
That’s basically what a true Redux of 1.0 would’ve look like, complete with the Great North American War.
It's because you've still had that damnable Roosevelt instead of him True Pinnacle Man Joe Steele as pres! 🥓🥓Shit you're kinda right. Although as I keep developing this (I might do some decade by decade updates) I don't know if there will necessarily be a big huge conflagration like that in N. America. More of a bunch of smaller wars. The RU overruns Alaska, the Southrons divide up Mexico, which could very well spark a war among a few of them. Texas might get ready and go after California. Eventually the RU can attack and probably conquer Maryland, and win Cuba in a peace deal. However, I doubt they could take on Virginia and win. Especially since that would probably trigger everyone else's Spidey Senses to get them to cooperate. Honestly, TTL's Union is probably never going to achieve Manifest Destiny.
Only Joe and his patented Pinnacle Pocket Bacon(tm) will lead the Republican Union to victory on all fronts! 🥓🥓🥓🥓🥓It's because you've still had that damnable Roosevelt instead of him True Pinnacle Man Joe Steele as pres! 🥓🥓
I digress. Even if they do become insular, they've gotta find a way to secure Michigan trade, and that I can only see though securing St. Lawrence.Only Joe and his patented Pinnacle Pocket Bacon(tm) will lead the Republican Union to victory on all fronts! 🥓🥓🥓🥓🥓
Something I’ve been thinking about is an alternate WMIT where instead of being aggressively expansionists like they are in the original and Redux, they’re instead aggressively insular and isolationist. Maybe Burr has a slightly different vision which results in a doctrine that all land outside of New England has been corrupted beyond redemption and that thru are better off strengthening “the last true kingdom of God [ie, their current borders at the time] to fend of Satan’s hordes!” until the apocalypse.
Everything else is exactly the same though; the US is still fractured, everyone is still slightly more of an asshole then otl, weird food and funny acronyms everywhere. Only difference is that the RU is content just taking potshots at people who come to close to the border and ignoring everyone else till they get Raptured up to heaven
It's because you've still had that damnable Roosevelt instead of him True Pinnacle Man Joe Steele as pres! 🥓🥓
Only Joe and his patented Pinnacle Pocket Bacon(tm) will lead the Republican Union to victory on all fronts! 🥓🥓🥓🥓🥓
But with the all the energy and pep Pinnacle Pocket Bacon(tm) gives our glorious commander in chief, that won’t happen any time soon. You go, Joe!Joe Steele's Pocket Bacon is what helps him supercharge his already powerful fluids. Legend has it that the man who manages to steal some off of him will be the next President!
ITTL I imagine Roosevelt is more sane and less vicious than Steele, but still pretty terrible. I think he might be getting ready to hand off the Presidency to his family basically. Also, maybe TTL's answer to pocket bacon is pocket elk jerky from the glorious new Canadian states.
To be fair I imagine it would be less gross by the present day, pocket sized plastic pouches with a few strips to fill that "high protein snack" niche I'm always seeing advertised. Maybe they have a little moist towelette attached to clean your hands off.But with the all the energy and pep Pinnacle Pocket Bacon(tm) gives our glorious commander in chief, that won’t happen any time soon. You go, Joe!
Pinnacle Pocket Bacon(tm) is available in all good stores near you! Pinnacle Pocket Bacon(tm), snack like Steele.
Roosevelt’s Battlin’ Bull Moose Jerky (tm) is its a alternate counterpart.
Goddamnit, now I want to write an actual piece about Pinnacle Pocket Bacon😆
*adds it to the list of things I need to do after expanding upon Ireland under Socalist Monarchism*
Still makes me wish that California was insane like everyone else was in the world, same with Canada and Quebec, in the main madness world.Kingdom of California: The Kingdom of California is basically unchanged from mainline Madness. However, the country's main fear ITTL is Southron expansionism, not Yankee, although the Yankees have jumped to second place after what they did to Canada. More specifically, California is worried about Texas, the region's wild card. Although Texas mainly seems concerned with kicking the shit out of Mexico, they've also been eagerly eyeing up California. Given the ongoing struggles of the Bonaparte World System, if Texas put its mind to it, they could probably at least annex part of the Kingdom.